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THE CHIT CHAT CRUCIBLE QUIZ RULES

The quiz will consist of thirty six questions on the following subjects:

General Knowledge
History
Science and Nature
Geography
Sport and Leisure
Film and Television
Words and Numbers
Art and Literature


The questions are categorised as either red ball questions (worth one point) or colour ball questions (worth between two and seven points).


RED BALL QUESTION RULES

Red ball questions are open for everyone to answer.

Red ball questions are all General Knowledge and are worth one point to the fastest correct answer.

No penalty is levied for an incorrect answer.

The winner of a red ball question can then select a colour and a subject for the next question.


COLOUR BALL QUESTION RULES

Colour ball questions are open for everyone to answer.

Colour ball questions will be on the subjects of History, Science and Nature, Geography, Sport and Leisure, Film and Television, Words and Numbers, or Art and Literature depending on the choice of the preceding red ball winner.

Yellow ball questions will be the easiest and black ball questions the most difficult.

Yellow ball questions are worth two points to the first correct answer and one point to the second correct.

Green ball questions are worth three points to the first correct, two to the second and one point to the third.

This structure applies all the way up to black ball questions where seven correct answers (if applicable) score seven, six, five, four, three, two and one point respectively.


PENALTIES

Penalty points are deducted for incorrect answers on colour ball questions only.

An incorrect answer posted during yellow, green and brown ball questions will incur four away.

Incorrect answers posted on a blue ball question are five away; pink, six away; and black, seven away.


TEA BREAKS c[_]

There will be tea breaks after each fifth red and colour have been potted.


THE END GAME

Once fifteen reds and colours have been potted / answered the final six colours: yellow, green, brown, blue, pink and black will decide the game.

Penalties apply during this stage.


SCORING

The maximum possible score / break is 147, though anything over 40 will probably win the Crucible Quiz.

Zero is the lowest anyone can go; no minus scores will be entered.


TIES

Ties will be decided with a re-spotted black question on General Knowledge.


GENERAL RULES OF THE GAME

Surnames are acceptable unless a full name has been requested in the question.

Abbreviations are entered at the quizzer's own risk; some are acceptable and some are not. Villa instead of Aston Villa, for example, would be permissable. KD instead of Kentucky Derby would not. As a general rule of thumb: if you're unsure if the abbreviation will be acceptable, it probably isn't.


HALL OF FAME

CCCQ I: J P McEnroe with 33 points (after respotted black)
CCCQ II: Nirvana with 40 points
CCCQ III: Muntz Street with 30 points
CCCQ IV: Mad Mad Moon with 34 points
CCCQ V: Nirvana with 25 points
CCCQ VI: Poppydog with 52 points
CCCQ VII: Easter 1916 with 30 points.
CCCQ VIII: Easter 1916 with 20 points.

Highest ever break: Mikael D'Haguenet with 15
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Report Joe Jordan February 19, 2010 10:09 PM GMT
Tevez is God 19 Feb 23:07
cheers PM, great quiz as always with added entertainment value tonight
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cheers Tev , my first one, but I'll try and get here for more :-)
Report Nilsson Schmilsson February 19, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
how the hell can a irishman be winning our quizzes

come on people
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
Many thanks for playing everyone. Congratulations Dan, and commiserations Easter - so close to that threepeat sir!

Sincere apologies for the many errors; I don't believe I have made so many in all my other quizzes put together.

And, of course, a huge thanks to Mr Nibbs for his superb scoreboard. I couldn't have completed the quiz tonight without him such were my numerous problems.
Report Dan Chipowski February 19, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
Thanks all my biggest and best ever win on here. :)

:D Alex

And Jimmy.......cash is ok. ;)
Report Easter 1916 February 19, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
i should've waited but...
Report panglima February 19, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
WD Dan :D

Thanks PM
Report Easter 1916 February 19, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
don't forget you owe me a pound for aquarius dan :)
Report Joe Jordan February 19, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
Nilsson Schmilsson 19 Feb 23:10
how the hell can a irishman be winning our quizzes
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because of questions like HIBERNIA of course :-)
Report Dan Chipowski February 19, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
Stick it on my tab Easter :)
Report Joe Jordan February 19, 2010 10:12 PM GMT
Cheers to PM
and a big hand to Mr Nibbs
congrats to both Dan + Easter ..
great fun ...
Report Nilsson Schmilsson February 19, 2010 10:12 PM GMT
silly me

i stormed off in a huff after not being on the scoreboard :)
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:17 PM GMT
Blimey, it's taken it out of me that has.

It was a real struggle from start to finish as the site kept freezing up. And, of course, when I had to open up another window to check the stewards enquiries it made it much worse.

Although there were only three contentious questions out of thirty-six, this may spell the end of me making them up as I go along. :(
Report MrNibbs February 19, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
The Chit Chat Crucible Quiz IX Top Foulers

1. Joe Jordan, -55pts
2. Dan Chipowski, -46pts
3. GT, -45pts
4. Baggers, -42pts
5. Muntz Street, -35pts
5. liamcol, -35pts
5. Alex69, -35pts
8. STUDYFORM, -31pts
9. Tevez is God, -26pts
10. Graham Vs Green, -22pts
11. Lozzy, -21pts
12. MrNibbs, -18pts
13. RoyClaytonsTash, -13pts
14. jimmy69, -10pts
15. Jason** -9pts
16. panglima, -7pts
16. Paddy Mayne, -7pts
16. Easter 1916, -7pts
16. Andy Murray, -7pts
20. Nirvana, -6pts
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:21 PM GMT
The scoring system of this quiz means any rulings can drastically affect a player's chances. Wherever possible I try not to be too severe; I hope nobody felt hard done by in tonights stewards.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:22 PM GMT
Surely Dan couldn't have given away 46 points Mr Nibbs?
Report MrNibbs February 19, 2010 10:23 PM GMT
He would have if there was minus scores :)
Report Dan Chipowski February 19, 2010 10:23 PM GMT
I fouled quite a few early on :)
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
That's incredible if he did! Forty-six points away in fouls and still won. Your scoreboard really is marvellous, sir; little stats like that are very interesting indeed.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
I'm assuming missed reds count as -1? on Mr Nibbs scoreboard?
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
Of course, forgot about no minus scores.
Report Dan Chipowski February 19, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
I'm convinced Mr Nibbs isn't human.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
I was quite surprised anyone got the Captain Kirk answer to be honest.

I like to make the final black ball quite tough and I happened to hear John Carpenter mention the mask in an interview some time ago and thought it would make a good quiz question.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:27 PM GMT
You'll get sixty-five points for that win on Tobermory's league table Dan. :)
Report MrNibbs February 19, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
No. Just colours.
Report Dan Chipowski February 19, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
Any carpenter fan would know that :)

I was listening to a cd of his greatest movie themes earlier tonight :^0
Report Dan Chipowski February 19, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
I know, a couple of placed efforts is all I have to my name this year too. A much needed boost :)
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
Strangely enough, Alex mentioned Captain Kirk earlier on the thread! :)
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 10:30 PM GMT
I think the Risk/Reward format is excellent. If you're unsure and consider posting an answer for long enough, you risk "fouling" without the advantage of gaining points by posting down the field.

As I did with Hibernia... and almost for the speaker!
Report Dan Chipowski February 19, 2010 10:30 PM GMT
It was an excellent quiz PM, and I know little mistakes and such are annoying as a quizmaster but they tend to add to the fun of it. imo
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
Thanks Graham and Dan. :)

I take pride in hosting a good quiz, though, and although the mistakes might add a little flavour to proceedings I find them very vexing indeed! I really don't believe I have made so many in all the other quizzes put togther, but it was a nightmare tonight with the computer glitches and it was putting me off my game.

That's my excuse anyway and I'm sticking to it. :)
Report MrNibbs February 19, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
Progression

Dan came strong towards the end.

1. Dan Chipowski, 30pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-2-2-2-3-0-0-0-0-7-8-14-14-14-14-19-19-24-24-24-24-24-24-24-30
b]2.[/b] Easter 1916, 30pts 1-0-0-7-7-7-8-8-8-8-9-9-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-14-15-15-15-22-23-23-23-23-23-23-23-23-25-29-30-30-30
3. Nirvana, 24pts 0-6-6-6-6-6-6-12-13-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-24-24-24-24-24-24-24-24-24-24-30-30-30-30-30-30-24-24
4. STUDYFORM, 17pts 0-0-0-0-0-4-4-11-11-11-11-11-11-7-7-7-7-7-7-12-12-17-17-17-17-17-18-18-19-26-26-26-26-26-30-24-17
5. mad mad moon, 13pts 0-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-13-13
6. Tevez is God, 12pts 0-0-0-0-0-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-0-0-7-7-14-14-14-14-15-15-17-12-12-12
6. Graham Vs Green, 12pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-7-7-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-9-13-13-13-16-12-12-12-12
8. Muntz Street, 11pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-1-1-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-6-11-11-11
9. Baggers, 10pts 0-0-0-0-0-6-6-11-11-4-4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-5-10
9. liamcol, 10pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-5-5-5-5-5-5-7-7-8-8-10-10
11. Paddy Mayne, 8pts 0-0-0-0-1-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8
11. RoyClaytonsTash, 8pts 0-5-5-11-11-11-11-11-11-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-7-7-7-7-7-7-13-13-13-13-13-14-14-14-8-8
13. Alex69, 7pts 0-0-1-1-1-4-4-4-4-4-4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-6-6-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-6-6-2-2-0-7
14. panglima, 6pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6
15. Jason** 4pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-4-4
16. Joe Jordan, 3pts 0-0-0-5-5-7-7-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-3-3-3-3-3-9-9-2-2-2-2-0-0-0-0-3-3
17. MrNibbs, 1pt 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-2-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-1
18. GT, 0pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-2-2-0-0
18. Lozzy, 0pts 0-0-0-0-0-5-5-5-5-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-2-2-0
18. jimmy69, 0pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-0-0
18. Andy Murray, 0pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
18. Big Charlie (RIP), 0pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
18. King Louis, 0pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
18. positively4thsteet, 0pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
18. sixtwosix, 0pts 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 10:35 PM GMT
Indeed Dan.

Excellent quiz, superb scoring and the odd 2/100 rib tickler ;)
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
I definitely thought Nirv had it in the bag tonight after his Lord Chancellor answer.

Who would have guessed, after hundreds of years, it just got changed in 2006?

That was very unlucky for him I think. :(
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
HALL OF FAME

CCCQ I: J P McEnroe with 33 points (after respotted black)
CCCQ II: Nirvana with 40 points
CCCQ III: Muntz Street with 30 points
CCCQ IV: Mad Mad Moon with 34 points
CCCQ V: Nirvana with 25 points
CCCQ VI: Poppydog with 52 points
CCCQ VII: Easter 1916 with 30 points.
CCCQ VIII: Easter 1916 with 20 points.
CCCQ IX: Dan Chipowski with 30 points (after respotted black)

Highest ever break: Mikael D'Haguenet with 15
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 10:43 PM GMT
Was just looking at Nirv on the progression scoreboard. With his pedigree, if that was a snooker mach people would be shouting**

Changing subject slightly Poker, do you have any kowledge of the venue for the World qualifiers in Sheffield? i.e. Logistics of the place, viewing areas etc.

As we missed out on the Crucible ballot, I'm thinking of going on the Sunday.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 10:43 PM GMT
*knowledge
Report jimmy69 February 19, 2010 10:45 PM GMT
Cheers PM. Sorry I couldn't make it until the colours. I'm destined never to take the spoils I feel. Well played Dan.....I'm not sure I actually layed you in running...you will have to check the thread carefully...lol
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:45 PM GMT
I don't I'm afraid Graham.

I'm not as knowledgable about the game as I once was, sir. I haven't been to the Crucible in over twenty years! Shocking really.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:46 PM GMT
The best of luck with the draw though. :)
Report RoyClaytonsTash February 19, 2010 10:47 PM GMT
Thought it was Prestatyn GvG,might be wrong
Report MrNibbs February 19, 2010 10:47 PM GMT
Lastly Ranking Round by Round

1. Dan Chipowski, 30pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-7-7-7-9-9-11-11-14-14-7-6-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-2-1
2. Easter 1916, 30pts 1-4-5-2-2-3-2-5-5-3-3-3-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-4-4-4-3-2-1-1-1
3. Nirvana, 24pts 2-2-2-4-4-6-6-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-3
4. STUDYFORM, 17pts 2-4-5-7-8-9-9-2-2-2-2-2-2-4-4-4-4-4-4-3-3-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-3-2-2-2-2-3-1-2-4
5. mad mad moon, 13pts 2-1-1-2-2-3-4-7-7-5-5-5-5-4-4-4-4-4-4-5-5-7-8-8-8-9-9-10-10-10-10-9-9-10-11-5-5
6. Tevez is God, 12pts 2-4-5-7-8-11-11-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-4-4-4-4-5-5-7-8-14-14-9-9-5-5-5-5-5-6-5-6-6-6
6. Graham Vs Green, 12pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-5-5-5-5-6-6-6-6-8-8-6-6-6-5-7-6-6-6
8. Muntz Street, 11pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-8-10-10-9-9-11-11-13-13-12-12-15-15-14-14-14-14-14-14-11-8-8-8
9. Baggers, 10pts 2-4-5-7-8-6-6-2-2-6-6-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-16-16-15-15-15-17-13-9
9. liamcol, 10pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-10-10-14-14-15-15-14-14-14-14-13-13-13-13-9-9-8-9-9-9
11. Paddy Mayne, 8pts 2-4-5-7-6-2-2-5-5-3-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9-9-9-8-8-8-9-10-11
11. RoyClaytonsTash, 8pts 2-3-3-1-1-1-1-2-2-6-6-6-6-6-6-8-8-8-8-10-10-7-8-8-8-9-9-6-6-6-6-6-7-6-5-10-11
13. Alex69, 7pts 2-4-4-6-6-9-9-9-9-6-6-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-8-8-4-4-5-5-5-5-7-7-8-8-11-11-13-14-18-13
14. panglima, 6pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-7-7-7-7-8-8-11-11-10-10-12-12-11-11-11-11-11-11-11-12-12-14
15. Jason** 4pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-16-16-15-15-15-17-14-15
16. Joe Jordan, 3pts 2-4-5-5-5-3-4-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-11-11-13-13-12-12-6-6-15-15-15-15-15-15-15-17-15-16
17. MrNibbs, 1pt 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-13-13-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-16-16-15-15-15-17-17-17
18. GT, 0pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-11-11-10-10-12-12-11-11-11-11-11-11-13-14-18-18
18. Lozzy, 0pts 2-4-5-7-8-8-8-8-8-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-16-16-15-15-15-14-16-18
18. jimmy69, 0pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-16-16-15-15-15-13-18-18
18. Andy Murray, 0pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-...
18. Big Charlie (RIP), 0pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-...
18. King Louis, 0pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-...
18. positively4thsteet, 0pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-...
18. sixtwosix, 0pts 2-4-5-7-8-12-12-10-10-9-9-7-8-8-9-11-11-11-11-14-14-15-15-14-14-16-16-16-16-...
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
I'm sure you'll win one day Jim. If you can play from the start it is normally sound game strategy that will win you this quiz.

Nirv and Easter are very tactically astute but, for once, it was the mercurial flair of the young Irishman that took home the trophy this evening. It's like 1982 all over again.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 10:49 PM GMT
Moved to a new venue in Sheffield for the qualifiers Roy.

Some decent names pencilled in for the Sunday.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
Excellent stats Mr Nibbs, thank you again sir.

Dan was never ahead until the final question; where he overtook Nirv who had almost led from start to finish. This format certainly makes for an exciting quiz.
Report RoyClaytonsTash February 19, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
Oh ,good luck.great night life there,if you get time
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 10:54 PM GMT
Aye Roy, did a bit of football coaching in Sheff/Rotherham.

Had a few good nights out around Hillsboro.

Here's the link for the quallys if anyones's interested.

http://www.worldsnooker.com/world_championship10_qualifying_news-120572.htm?tid=153
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 10:54 PM GMT
Is it possible from the chart to see who had the highest break Mr Nibbs?

A break consists of any continuous score by the way. So one would need to get the red to further the break, but not necessarily first in on the colour.
Report Joe Jordan February 19, 2010 10:56 PM GMT
Thank you Mr Nibbs ..I knew I might be Top of that table ....
If I learned to stop fouling I think I'd be in the near chasing pack just behind the Leaders :-)
Report Joe Jordan February 19, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
Mr Nibbs I might utilise your excellent scoreboard services if I may,
in one of my own famous fun Quizzes in a few weeks time once the Quiz Leagues Season kicks off ...
btw have you joined in the Quiz Leagues ?
Report MrNibbs February 19, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
There was two 14s, by my spreadsheet tough it'd be wise to check.

Nirvana - Q8 to Q10
Dan Chipowski - Q22 to Q24
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
Graham:

I meant to ask, did you read that discussion we had on here a few weeks ago concerning the use of topspin?

It's worth a look as it turned into a right old barney. :^0
Report MrNibbs February 19, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
*though
Report MrNibbs February 19, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
Joe, I'm too stupid to join the leagues.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
That's brilliant Mr Nibbs. One shy of the record then. :(
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:07 PM GMT
I did read that thread Poker. Initially I feared you'd lost the plot. :)
However someone confirmed they did the blue up & down test which seemed to validate your assertion.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:12 PM GMT
Yeah. I thought it would attract a lively debate, but I was astonished how uppity some people got over the subject.

It was worthwhile for me, though, as I'm writing a book regarding that general topic and it's always very useful to hear the opinions of others.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:16 PM GMT
I always find the best way to test an idea is open it up to the masses.

Was there any decent aruments that refuted your point in the end?
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
*arguments
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
Well, yes and no.

There was a link to a website hosted by a chap called David Alciatore which offered video evidence appearing to show a fractional overspin (for want of a better word) of maybe 25th of a second, but I don't believe it was conclusive at all and such a miniscule reaction could easily be attributed to the tiniest of imperfections on the cloth.

I should point out, though, that I was already familiar with this gentleman's work and there is no doubt he is extremely knowledgable on the subject of billiard physics.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
I still contend, of course, that the blue ball test does offer conclusive proof against the existence of cue-induced topspin.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
I watched those youtube videos with the sandpaper. Not very conclusive.

If I remember rightly, Steve Davis paid some detail to he physics of the game. Recall him doing a show on the Q.E.D. programme on BBC in the mid 80's.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
Did he? I remember the QED series but I must have somehow missed that episode. :(

Most professional players are largely ignorant of the physics. I don't blame them, of course, why bother with it if you're brilliant anyway?

Steve has always been the exception here; I think he is genuinely interested to learn everything he can and always seems open to new ideas.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:38 PM GMT
Not totally relevant to the debate, but I try to avoid above centre striking, unless absoloutely necessary. Feel far more comfortable using centre or below centre striking.

Lots of older players address the cue ball very high. Perhaps it's a trait from playing pool with a smaller white?

Fergal O' Brien used to have a site ("Ask Fergal" I think) where he would gladly respond to snooker related questions.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:43 PM GMT
That's an interesting comment about the older players; I'll look into that one.

And also about Fergal's website. I wasn't aware of that either. Mind you, I once had quite an argument with Mark Williams on here concerning the physics of the game, so perhaps it may be wise not to antagonise yet another professional; there won't be any left to endorse my book!
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:43 PM GMT
My memory is a bit sketchy, but I think the Q.E.D. programme involved S.D. and a robot, choosing shots based on probability.

I seem to recall S.D. beating the robot easily. Considering he's no longer a prolific break builder, a lot of Davis's longevity must be down to his shot selection.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
The engineers at MIT once built a pool-playing robot and it struggled to string three balls together; the physical variables were just too legion.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:47 PM GMT
Just to clarify about the older players, I'm referring to club players, not the pros. I've never seen much footage of Joe Davis et al.

Someone on the Snooker forum (may have been SnookerBacker) partly attributed J. White's poor performances on his low striking on the new finer cloths.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:47 PM GMT
Just to clarify about the older players, I'm referring to club players, not the pros. I've never seen much footage of Joe Davis et al.

Someone on the Snooker forum (may have been SnookerBacker) partly attributed J. White's poor performances on his low striking on the new finer cloths.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:50 PM GMT
Did he expand on that theory at all Graham? Why exactly did he think striking low would have an adverse effect on a thinner cloth?
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:52 PM GMT
I think it was generally a lack of control. It was when JW played King in the wildcard at Wembley and JW struggled to control the cue ball.
Report Graham Vs Green February 19, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
Whoever it was stated that they couldn't see JW winning another match on the new tournament cloths.

Jason**who popped up in your quiz earlier may have contributed to that thread.
Report Pokermonster February 19, 2010 11:59 PM GMT
Hmmm? It seems a bit of a paradoxical belief, as you're not alone in feeling more in control, not less, with a lower strike Graham; most players would say the same.

I'm not saying he is not correct, of course, but it would be interesting to know if snookerbacker has based this assumption on any physical evidence, or just a general hunch.
Report Graham Vs Green February 20, 2010 12:00 AM GMT
I've just brought the White v King match thread up on the snooker forum.

Unfotunately, I can't read it, as I have trouble reading old posts using Firefox.
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 12:05 AM GMT
Cheers Graham. :^0

Unfortuantely IE isn't working for me either sir! I'm on Firefox, too, and it just apears as funny symbols for me, also. Hopefully, I'll be able to read it tomorrow if we're back to normal.
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 12:05 AM GMT
*appears
Report Graham Vs Green February 20, 2010 12:06 AM GMT
I may be doing SB a dis-service here. I can't recall for sure who posted

If it's not on the match thread that I've ttt'd , start a new post on the snooker forum. I'm sure whoever raised the issue, will elaborate.

To be fair, on that night it was difficult to argue, given JW lack of cue ball control.

Strangely enough, JW is allegedly playing really well away from the tournament tables. (147 & 146 in an Exh. this week).
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 12:08 AM GMT
I will do Graham., thanks for your help sir. :)

I'll say goodnight now. Great chatting with you as always.
Report Graham Vs Green February 20, 2010 12:09 AM GMT
You too Poker.

I've logged on IE and can read the archived posts. If I can find it, I'll copy & paste it in here and you can view it at your leisure.

Goodnight.
Report Graham Vs Green February 20, 2010 12:16 AM GMT
Found it! :)

snookerbacker 10 Jan 21:41


That shot into the pack of reds demonstrates the Jimmy of old and new, he hasn't adapted his game, Davis has done it, Hendry is trying to do it. Jimmy never will, he seems to think he can play the old shots on new tables.

tennis plums done 10 Jan 21:44


how dyou mean SB,



snookerbacker 10 Jan 21:46


Jimmy plays most shots with bottom tpd. He doesn't concentrate on striking the cue ball in the centre to make the shot and control the pace. You have to do that here. The difference between the tables he wins on and these is immense.




tennis plums done 10 Jan 21:48


yeah, he addresses very low, always has done. your right it must be hard to hit plain ball, which is key on these cloths yes



treble 10 Jan 22:21


I just hope that more tournies involving Jim will be on the box. I still like the guy, but he needs to buy himself one of those championship tables and needs more time on TV.
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 12:21 AM GMT
Thanks very much Graham! :)

I just checked back after making a drink.

Snookerbacker and TPD are both in agreement, but I'd be interested to hear if they are just speaking from experience or if they actually know why it is imperative to dead ball the white on the thinner cloths?
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
Physically, they are saying it is favourable for the cueball to be rolling rather than sliding, but I wonder why this should be so?

As you have experienced for yourself, Graham, a sliding ball is usually easier to control. Interesting.
Report Graham Vs Green February 20, 2010 12:27 AM GMT
Out of courtesy, I've just let SB know that I've C & P his & tpd's comments on one of his threads, so he may wish to elaborate with you.
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 12:29 AM GMT
Great. Thanks again Graham. :)
Report Graham Vs Green February 20, 2010 12:30 AM GMT
Jimmy hits another 147 and a 146 is the thread.

SB has his own blog, (listed on that thread) should you wish to discuss it at further length.
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 12:36 AM GMT
Excellent. It's always good to converse with knowledgable people.
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
Britain just won a gold medal at the Olympics. :)
Report kevin s February 20, 2010 5:59 AM GMT
poker very entertaining top shelf stuff..
Report Graham Vs Green February 20, 2010 10:00 AM GMT
Poker, I've found the programme we spoke about last night. It was called Q.E.D. The Snooker Robot, broacsast in March 1988.

Here are the links from google.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=AA8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&q=Q.E.D.+the+snooker+robot&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Incidentally, I may be able to forward some contacts to help with your project. If you contact Dark destroyer, I'll ask him to forward my email address.

darkdestroyer9@h o t m a i l.co.uk (no spaces on the hot bit)
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 3:04 PM GMT
That's fantastic Graham, thank you very much sir.

I'm on the road at the moment. Just checking in to acknowledge your generous help and will contact Dark Destroyer as soon as I return on Friday.

Thanks again.
Report Pokermonster February 20, 2010 3:06 PM GMT
Cheers Kevin.
Report GT February 20, 2010 4:27 PM GMT
PM it's a great quiz and format(thoroughly enjoyed it and the banter) and no criticism intended...but could the format possibly be tweaked a bit to stop any possible temptation for copying?
Report Joe Jordan February 20, 2010 4:33 PM GMT
GVG ,,URGENT ...please..
Can you resend your League questions to DD
BUT in a non-WPS format please ..
maybe just in the body of your e mail
not as an attachment ..?

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I have forwarded your e mail addy to Pokermonster to speed things up and assist you .
Report Joe Jordan February 20, 2010 4:37 PM GMT
GrahamVGreen ^^
Report blackjackking February 20, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
Ive just looked in on this quiz, yet again its a fantastic quiz despite the hiccups with a couple of questions. Pokermonster you always do put on a good quiz my friend.

Im very very impressed with Mr Nibbs scoring, its absolutely amazing. I cant get my head round how its done in such a short space of time!! I take my hat off to you my friend, before that we thought a few underlining names and leaders in bold was as good as it got.... how we can laugh at us mere mortals now!!

Great work Poker and Mr Nibbs..



and Congratulations Dan ;) id have laid the 50`s too :^0
Report Fenway February 20, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
MrNibbs scoring is truly extraordinary.
Report Graham Vs Green February 20, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
Q's resent Joe.

Thanks for passing on the email details.
Report tobermory February 21, 2010 3:06 PM GMT
I only spent 2 minutes doing the odds on page 2 , and thought Dan was too big at 33/1 as he was a previous Group 1 winner :)

Amazing how he won that at the end though :0
Report Joe Jordan February 21, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
yep cheers GvG.
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YW..
Report Pokermonster May 1, 2010 8:43 PM BST
Just saving this thread so I can copy the rules and regulations for the forum change.
Report Pokermonster December 3, 2014 4:41 PM GMT
Just saving a few old quizzes from the drop.
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