Energy saving light bulbs

Rubbish aren't they. That's why I went and bought 60-odd 100-watt incandescent ones when I heard that the government were banning them without a decent alternative having been developed.

zany idea dreamt up by the carbon footprint mob.

just fit fluorescent tubes around the house

I'm one of these climate change greens, but even I have got a stock of 30 100W incandescent bulbs in.

The light from the energy saving ones is gloomy, depressing and doesn't show up colours properly. When people who have never used them realise what's been imposed on them, there will be a bit of an outcry, imo.

Can you still buy the old style ones then?

Not in my local supermarkets, but still see them in pound shops

ok ty i will keep my eyes peeled for them.

The energy saving lightbulbs could have stayed on all through WW2 ..Even Hodges wouldn't have told you to ''Put them lights out''.

local co-op only sell the old kind. very odd. maybe they havent changed the "stuff nobody buys" shelf since 1962.

they are ok. you just have to buy the ones that say they emit as 100w bulbs. Takes a while for them to warm up but then they are fine. but I do not tend to like brightness much

tesco ones are fine. or whatever make they sell in tescos. they come on straight away. not very bright but who wants to be in a floodlit room? fluorescent thingies are ok for the kitchen but theyd drive me crazy in any other room. only energy saving bulbs i hate are those that look like theyre straight out of auschwitz

auschwitz light bulbs,what do they look like?

I`m not very good with a bulb that is not covered by a lamp shade or sumert

auschwitz light bulbs are covered with lamp shades made of human skin

lol^^

I heard we will all be using LCD light bulbs in a few years anyway.

Due to the credit crunch, the energy saving light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off.

dambuster 04 Feb 18:01

The energy saving lightbulbs could have stayed on all through WW2 ..Even Hodges wouldn't have told you to ''Put them lights out''.

Very good, Dambuster!

Can I have tips on how to be forumite of the year, every year, please?

CFL (Compact Fluorescent Lamp) is the trade term for these new fluorescent long life bulbs. Better bet used to it.

Thats a bit of a mouthful but i`m happy to say a CLF in a shop

CFL even ( I can`t even remember that bit) doh

Right you lot. The trouble with the cheaper stuff that you want for 50p each is that you pay for what you get. The gear used is inferior quality and does not work properly unless in optimum conditions. You will also find that they just quote wattages which is utter b**. New regulations means that they will now have to quiote 'lumens' as well as wattage, which will give you some idea as to why the only ones worth paying for are 6.95 a piece, using professional quality gear that does not overheat.

The chaep **t ones also have a caveat that they should not be used for more than 3 hours a day as the gear cannot take the heat produced.

These lamps should all be now fkd right off, as the new generation of LED comes into force. Alwys colol running, and with ultra long life, they are extortionate prices at the moment, just like the CFL's were when they first cam eout. they will come down in value but once we can affiordbthem for everyday use, they will gain be made of **tyy quality and not be worth buying.

We are not allowed to import any old style pearl or 100w plus bulbs from Sept 09. However, some places, l;ike ourselves, have about 2000 left in stock and can get a few nmore. Once theses have gone they are gone.

From April, traditional halophosphate tubes will also be defunct, replaced by triphospher, so expect to pay more for them for your offices.

the new halogen range of lamps saves you about 30% in ebergy costs, and give a far better light than CFL's but again, they havent got these quite right and they simply arent the quality required at present.

OK?

Im a part owner of a company that sells brilliant ones that last 8000 hours ( 8 years ) and pay for themselves back in a year and a half.

Its a no brainer

www.ltc-ni.com

have to buy through your local wholesaler of course.. several in Scotland and now also scattered around England.

rampant rabbit, yer the one wae the 2 dogs on youtube aren't ye?

Rabbitt, I am a prt-owner of an electrical/lighting wholesaler. We are looking for a new supplier as Lumineux are er....

Got a contact?

Cupra.. what part of England..?

Loughton IG10, we deliver to hotels, elec shops etc. Need some decent daylight ones too.

Punter fleecer.. one dog now.. brown one put to sleep on Monday..
dont even go there.. devastated.. Dibeates got her in the end.. only 10.. body become unresposive to insulin..took her out to beach on Sunday on Marley and me sort of day, and then vet told me Monday morning no hope.. Will be gutted for a long time over Holly.

Cupra and Rabbit thanks very much for your posts very informative and much appreciated :-)

candles the way to go imo

Cupra.. sent me your email to paulwuk68@yahoo.co.uk.. I will drop you more details tomorrow.. in meantime check out website.. if not represented the dorr is open.. product is good and flyover over here in Ireland.

ok

erm....well ok rampant rabbit, i'm sorry to hear about that, at least she got to experience the snow if she hadn't done so before

She was 10 year old Lab in video.. Eliie was the Old English pup in the Video.. she is still very much here.. just has lost her old mate.

Will be a long time till I look at the video

seriously, cupra, that sounds quite deranged. buying a fckin light bulb now sounds as complicated as deciding between blu ray or dvd

hope you get over it soon, I was gutted when I had to give away Murdo the king charles, only had him for 3 weeks, but the first dog we bought 3 weeks beforehand didn't like him, and there was no point in having the 2 dogs fight all the time

gave him away after only 3 weeks but was completely gutted, this happened in 2006 mind

Thanks PF.. Grieving more than I have over most people in my life to date..bit silly, but fact

well it all depends on how you got on with the dog and how you got on with the person

the one who kept you happy most will be the one harder to lose

"Government advice says that because of the mercury in low energy bulbs, if you break one you should leave the room for 15 minutes, clear up the pieces with rubber gloves, not with a vacuum cleaner, and take them in a sealed bag to your local council. The bulbs should not be thrown in normal waste."

is this true? ffs

PF.. Maybe cuz Holly suffered ill heath most of her life and had a real hard time the last two year with diabetes and so much effort and time was spent on her.. and she gave back more than any other dog I have ever had, either as a kid or adult.

GVF.. All supplier have to sign up to WEE regulations whereby they proise to accept return of them from end user and take care of their disposal at proper sites..

Most people will of course still hoof them in the bin, but eventually will have to buy into reclyling them

i can live with the taking the broken bits back to the supplier, but leave the room for 15 mins??? wtf?

i also found this. please tell me they do not seriously expect joe bloggs to do this when they break a lightbulb

http://www.ehow.com/how_5658403_clean-recycle-broken-flourescent-cfls.html

1.
S tep 1

OPEN WINDOWS AND DOORS AND EVACUATE THE AREA

Begin the process of cleaning up a broken flourescent or othe CFL bulb by ventilating the area and evacuating the area for 15 minutes.
2.
Step 2

TURN OFF ALL CENTRAL AIR OR HEATING SUPPLIES TO THE AREA

It is important to prevent circulation of contaminated air in the area of the breakage to other parts of the home or building. By turning off forced air heating and cooling systems, you will reduce the risk of contamination of other areas.

If the breakage occurs in a kitchen, unplug the refrigerator to stop the circulation of air into the refrigerator.
3.
Step 3

COLLECT CFL CLEANUP ITEMS AND PUT ON PROTECTIVE CLOTHING

While the area is being ventilated, collect together the items you will need for safe removal of the broken CFL. These items include stiff cardboard or squeegee to remove broken glass and powder, paper towels and water or wet wipes, glass jars with tight lids or sealable plastic bags. Cover your shoes with plastic bags or shoe covers. Wear goggles and a face mask. Put on disposable gloves.
4.
Step 4

When you re-enter the area of the broken CFL, begin at the farthest reaches of the breakage, and carefully scrape up broken glass with stiff cardboard or squeegee. Wipe up powder with damp paper towels or wipes. Work toward the center of the breakage. Place the pieces of broken glass and the used towels or wipes in glass jars or sealable plastic bags. When a container is full, seal it tightly.
5.
Step 5

REMOVE PROTECTIVE GEAR AND PLACE IN SEALABLE PLASTIC BAGS

After all the flourescent lighting or other CFL breakage is cleaned up, remove your disposable gloves and place them in a sealable plastic bag. Remove your face mask and place in a sealable plastic bag. IF you touched your goggles with contaminated gloves, put them in a sealable plastic bag. Seal the bag tightly.
6.
Step 6

DISPOSE OF CONTAMINATED ITEMS

Dispose of contaminated items that have been sealed in plastic bags or glass jars by placing them in a garbage can outside. Broken CFL waste can be disposed of by plaacing sealed containers in a garbage can, or they can be recycled by taking them to a recyling center--see below for disposal sites.
7.
Step 7

SHOWER AND SHAMPOO HAIR

Take a shower and wash your hair to be sure you remove any mercury residue from your body.

Thats quite halarious GVF..

Must get Scenes of Crime Officer's outfit., in case any in my house blow!

Blimey i have opened up a tin of worms all those safety procedures seem a bit over the top.Best not break one then.

so we all die of accumulative mercury poisoning in 30 years time :^0 as shirley no one will bother with thoise sorts of measures

Rampant Rabbit 04 Feb 21:09
PF.. Maybe cuz Holly suffered ill heath most of her life and had a real hard time the last two year with diabetes and so much effort and time was spent on her.. and she gave back more than any other dog I have ever had, either as a kid or adult.

ahh yes, when you start to care for a living being that is too early to be cared for, and she starts to fight back, and you become too attached, you to let the dog see through it's life

of course, it'll be extremely sad when that era's over :( ..........that's life!, it's never simple, it never will be!

I thought 'old fashion' electricity bulbs were now illegal?

to bring in to the country. not to sell existing stock

not sure about 'illegal' its a directive, whatvere that is

By Anna Browning
BBC News

It is light, bright and has been around for 120 years. But from Tuesday (Sep 1st 2009) the 100 watt bulb bows out from Britain.

Under new EU rules the manufacture and import of 100 watt bulbs and all frosted bulbs will be banned in favour of the energy-saving variety.

According to the Energy Saving Trust, compact fluorescent lamps (energy-saving bulbs) use 80% less electricity than standard bulbs.

They could also save the average household £590 in energy over their lifetime of between eight and 10 years, and if all traditional bulbs were replaced, the carbon saving would be the equivalent of taking 70,000 cars off the road.

Good reasons. But while cutting carbon and cheaper bills might entice many, others are less happy.

Commonplace complaints about the new bulbs include they take too long to warm up, they are ugly, they give off poor light and they contain mercury - making them potentially hazardous and hard to get rid of.

THE PHASING OUT
Any bulb with frosted, opal, pearl or other translucent finish - unless category A energy savers - will be banned from 1 September 2009
All clear bulbs must be energy rating category E or better from 1 September 2009
100W bulbs and above must be at least category C from 1 September 2009
75W bulbs and above must be category C or better from 1 September 2010
60W bulbs and above must be at least category C from 1 September 2011
All clear bulbs must be at least category C from 1 September 2012
And according to campaigners, energy-saving bulbs can trigger migraines, exacerbate skin conditions and lead to other serious health problems.

They trigger headaches for me in conjunction with poor daylight. Weirdly, if it's either sunny or dark outside, or I shut the curtains, they're not really a problem.

yes yes and to do with that , tungsten halogen lamps. including low voltage and Gu10s will be downrated for energy blah blah

50w gu10 to be 40w, 500w tungsten halogen to be 420, blah blah blah

have a banana