Just look at those billions of objects throughout space for millions of light years. Did god create that for all our amusement at night? Of course not - we exist simply because we happen to be on a rock that's warm enough and cool enough and wet enough and dry enough (temporarily) to sustain our type of biology. 'We' can only create a god cos we have brains capable of doing so.

hey ivor thats one thing i cant explain !! i often wonder what is the pont of the other planets even in our solar system? theres no answer!

..and I can't explain how 'in the beginning God' written by man, can mean so much to you!

In Genesis 1:24 we read, "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good." All the "beasts of the earth" were made on day six. We read in Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Everything that was made that ever lived upon the face of the earth was made in those six days. God made dinosaurs within those six days; he made the ones that live in the sea and fly on the fifth day and the ones that roamed around on the earth on the sixth day.

So did men and dinosaurs live together as contemporaries? Yes. We read in the book of Job regarding dinosaurs. Job 40:15-24 "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares."

There is also much physical evidence that shows that men lived in the same time as Dinosaurs. One such example can be found in the town of Glen Rose, Texas. Through that town runs the Paluxy River. In the bed of this river were discovered dinosaur footprints. Some of these dinosaur footprints are on display at the University of Texas at Austin. The interesting thing about these footprints is that right along side there are human footprints. The human footprints were made in the same time frame as the dinosaur footprints. How could this be true if dinosaurs did not live in the same time as humans?

There is other evidence as well. In some old Indian dwellings in Havasupai Canyon in Arizona there are pictures of dinosaurs that were drawn on the wall by humans. Human footprints have been found in rock that is supposed to be 500 million years before man appeared. Human footprints have been found with trilobites. Human skulls found 130 feet below the earth under 5 separate layers of lava. There have even been some fossilized dinosaur bones found that have human carvings on them done with a flint stone. The evidence points to the fact of the coexistence of dinosaurs and man together in the same period of time.

There isn't one.

Debates over Intelligent Design, the authenticity of Scripture and so on will continue and mud will be slung by both sides.

In my expereince the best evidence I can produce for God being real and Jesus being who he says he is (God!), is the testimonies of many (myself included) who say they have a living relationship with him.

I often feel his presence hear his voice and just the other week was at a conference where a guy was healed of chronic knee trouble. He felt 'electricity' run through both legs. He stripped off his knee brace, threw it to the floor and marched to the front to tell people what had just happened.

dab i ponder on these things continually!! its all that matters...u have to admit one of life's many purposes is surely to find our role or meaning of life..otherwise its simply a case of, eat drink, be merry, for tomorrow we die!

injera i do have probs with healings and God speaking!! i see supernatural in the ordinary ...flowers, animals, babies, jesus ' words ,love, laughter

yes it is a crime.God said it was so it must be!
BUT creation began perfect, til mankind sinned and creation was cursed....and i think as time has evolved, so that curse has evolved too.

I'm off out now enjoyed the discussion Tony and as the late great Dave Allen once said "May your God go with you". :-)

urghhhh

the world would be a far better place with no religion.

think of all the wars and acts of terrorism avoided

"God" is a word, a concept, a mammalian grunt signifying whatever those using it want it to signify. Ultimate truth is beyond mere words. The usual story of the entity/force/thingummy some label "God" is just that, a story.

Wayne Rooney?

Angels have their own version of chit chat and it is a source of endless entertainment for them.

I think life itself is a tiny fraction of our experience I have a friend of mine who had a horseriding accident and was crippled.

Since she has had a stroke and can barely walk she has been diagnosed as likely to die in the near future.

She has a faith in God and believes the best is yet to come.

There's nothing wrong with believing but wasting time and energy on an imaginary friend is a bit pointless to me. When I feel my heart attack coming I'll convert then, no point doing the legwork all my life when I can leave it to the last minute and end up there anyway.

I think those that are close to death cling onto life. I'd a customer who made a living as a faith healer, she had a stroke. Fat lot of good her faith healing done for her.

Sorry to hear about your friends condition, it must be a horrible existence.

I've caught up with this again and there is nothing more I can add. I personally believe there is something more to life but that is only how I've viewed life, its wonders and some of its coincidences that cannot possibly be man made. I've read parts of the bible, in fact I own a copy that has been passed down 5 generations so far but I'm yet to be taken in by it at all.

I respect your views Tony but I don't share them and I doubt I ever will. There are religions of this world who swear by their God(s) and disregard the views held by the Christians... why are they wrong?... The answer is still not forthcoming.

I doubt either of us will ever know the truth (as mortals) but if it were ever proved that I was wrong and you was right, I would gladly hold my hands up and take the punishment as a non-believer... what choice would I have? I'm not strictly a non-believer, I just don't believe that so many different Gods exist in so many different disguises. Maybe one of them is right and the rest are wrong... maybe they're all wrong but one thing is for sure... they are not all right, which still leaves the question... how do you choose?

You (Tony) have chosen to believe in that of the Bible, that is your choice and your right... I can't disregard other opinions just because I'm told that my people mainly believe in one.

Peace

Fair answer Aspro but I've sat on the fence for far too long.

When I add up all the evidence (or lack of it) I'm certain there is no meaning. Coincidences are just that, the universe is far too huge for things like our planet not to occur.

I feel that when life is found elsewhere it will put an end to all this religious mumbo jumbo. I've no doubt its out there but intelligence may be a lot harder to find, I've actually a sneaky feeling there may be life under the surface of Europa (one of jupiters moons).

good debate