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As soon as something they don't like - even a minority programme they don't have to watch which is on at 11pm.
The BBC has dozens of radio stations, 4 main TV channels, one of the best websites anywhere, among the best news coverage in the world, weather and traffic centres and a good text information service.
Some of the best programmes ever made were made by the BBC.
Of course it wastes money, it's a large corporation, there are idiots running things, and it's 'diversity' policy is a joke.
It's (much) cheaper than Sky, there is NO fecking "Go compare" or "wefencestolengold" to endure, and overall - and this is what isn't appreciated - the prices of everything you buy aren't inflated to cover the costs to the makers and sellers for their advertising.
40 minute programmes last 40 minutes and not an hour, and despite people moaning to the contrary, it is reasonably politically neutral.
So - and lets assume you pay your licence fee - it is one of the few things in the UK for which you can actually see any reasonable return.
The BBC has dozens of radio stations, 4 main TV channels, one of the best websites anywhere, among the best news coverage in the world, weather and traffic centres and a good text information service.
Some of the best programmes ever made were made by the BBC.
Of course it wastes money, it's a large corporation, there are idiots running things, and it's 'diversity' policy is a joke.
It's (much) cheaper than Sky, there is NO fecking "Go compare" or "wefencestolengold" to endure, and overall - and this is what isn't appreciated - the prices of everything you buy aren't inflated to cover the costs to the makers and sellers for their advertising.
40 minute programmes last 40 minutes and not an hour, and despite people moaning to the contrary, it is reasonably politically neutral.
So - and lets assume you pay your licence fee - it is one of the few things in the UK for which you can actually see any reasonable return.
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Millions on JR's wages, I can safely say on that score our licence fee WAS being wasted
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Give people a choice if its so good, no licence fee no BBC
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it is reasonably politically neutral.
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The argument that if its no good you dont have to watch doesn't hold water when you still have to pay for it.
Oh and they do advertise, when was the last time it went from one programme to the next without trying to flog you a BBC book or DVD? If they make toilet programmes it doesn't matter as they aren't held accountable by the moneymen who decide what programmes get recommissioned on the likes of ITV, a decision which is based upon how much advertising revenue can be generated. Its called the free market and the rules dont seem to apply to the BBC FWIW, I personally think that it's excellent value for money and doubt very much if a truly awesome series such as Life could ever be made by a broadcaster with one eye on the bottom line. I just wish that they would stop all the gash and spend more on quality. |
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Sorry, by 'gash', I mean all the saturday night lowest common denominator 'reality' gubbins that they revenue dependant channels must air to get their figures up.
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STUDYFORM 12 Jan 14:27
The BBC has dozens of radio stations, 4 main TV channels, one of the best websites anywhere, among the best news coverage in the world, weather and traffic centres and a good text information service. Some of the best programmes ever made were made by the BBC. Maybe nothing to do with individual programmes. Could it be possible that some believe it is getting too big. |
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STUDY- it is a symptom of the insidious nature of your country creeping towards the Islamic Republic of Britain.
That** in Luton got off with a light sentance- WHY? The programme to which you refer is being broadcast-WHY? The Islam march leader is on benefits yet has enough money to fund that organisation-WHY? Abu Hamza was allowed to miss court because he refused to have a tonail cut by a chiropodist-WHY? Abu Hamza was allowed by the police to block roads ILLEGALLY outide the mosque when he was thrown out by holding prayer meetings-WHY? I could go on. SurelyYOU Study above most forumites must realise what is going on! |
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I agree that the bbc is good value, but when one person thinks a programme is worth the money, another will think it's a waste.
I bet there are some people who think that ''Life'' was money wasted. Personally, I can't stand these Lloyd Webber (Search For A Star) promotions. |
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It's been big for years, Mr Grumpy.
I think Sky, and the Murdoch empire are too big. I never fish, flatliner. It's worth noting too that there are other streams of revenue too, including the sale of videos and books, but also from the sale of programmes abroad. I couldn't agree more Pang, the money paid to 'Celebs' is obscene. As I said there's plenty of waste, but why does the answer have to be "scrap the licence fee"? This reasoning is the same idiotic stance which brought about so much privatisation, and caused nearly all the grief we now suffer. Most of all, and the point which is being missed is, that the cost to ALL of us for channels with advertising is far greater than the cost of the licence fee. Even 25 years ago it was reckoned ITV alone cost the average family £300 a year! |
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I'm not referring to any particular programme, slicer.
I have seen 2 threads saying "Is this what I pay my licence fee for?" today, all I'm saying is, "no it isn't" your licence fee covers LOADS of stuff. |
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Seriously? £300pa 25 years ago? That was a lot of money, are you sure?
Nevertheless, I suspect that the real amount of revenue raised thru advertising must be falling now. The country is balls deep into recession and with the proliferation of Sky+ etc, who watches adverts these days anyway? Surely the advertisers have cottoned on to this and are slashing budgets accordingly? |
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The licence fee covers loads of stuff- and it also covers programmes trying to make a certain religion more palatable to the naive masses!
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This is so easily solved, pay the licence fee you get BBC, dont and you wont, just like SKY.
I wouldn't bother, I cant think of the last thing I watched on BBC |
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Oh and I also agree that 'dumbing down' is ridiculous, on all channels. There are good reasons for that.
*It keeps the masses in check. *It helps sell things. *The people who make these programmes are fecking idiots to start with. *More people watch the dumbed down stuff than anything else. Saturday nights on TV have been awful for as long as I can remember, and I think the BBC shouldn't have a Lottery show either. Just broadcast the numbers in a 30 second slot on a Saturday, and a Wednesday. |
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Also because of it's unique position ,the bbc has been able to make programmes for niche audiences, like See Hear for the blind, and another series to find a disabled model. Was there a big fuss on here about them?
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I never forgot that figure when I heard it Desmond. When I first started working in sales, though I couldn't say where it was from.
If you offer people the choice whether or not to pay for a licence, blackburn, they'll mostly opt out. Without realising that the BBC is -even WITH the licence at current rates- about the cheapest broadcasting we have, and we'll be left with much worse broadcasting than we have. Slicer, I agree, the diversity policy at the BBC is a joke. In very many ways. |
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If you offer people the choice whether or not to pay for a licence, blackburn, they'll mostly opt out. Without realising that the BBC is -even WITH the licence at current rates- about the cheapest broadcasting we have, and we'll be left with much worse broadcasting than we have.
But its a choice thing, I currently pay for something I rarely use and dont want. If its as good as you say it is you'd be happy to pay a bit more to compensate for those like me that can do without it thanks. When it came into being it was an essential part of life, but we've outgrown it. The thought that I pay the wages of people like Ross and Norton without a say in it nauseates me. |
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You never listen to the radio, or look at the website, or watch any sport or question time, or any of the minor channels, blackburn?
You are in very much of a minority. |
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study, of course from time to time I use BBC, but I resent the fact that I have no choice in paying for it. There is this misconception that if BBC folded then the whole broadcasting thing in the UK would collapse - no it wouldn't, the wheat would be sorted from the chaff and we'd be given a choice in what we want to pay for, as with Sky. The quality programmes ie those with a commercial viability would survive, the utter dross that you describe above would disappear, thank heavens.
What exactly are you frightened of? |
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Slicer 12 Jan 15:00
STUDY- it is a symptom of the insidious nature of your country creeping towards the Islamic Republic of Britain. That **** in Luton got off with a light sentance- WHY? The programme to which you refer is being broadcast-WHY? The Islam march leader is on benefits yet has enough money to fund that organisation-WHY? Abu Hamza was allowed to miss court because he refused to have a tonail cut by a chiropodist-WHY? Abu Hamza was allowed by the police to block roads ILLEGALLY outide the mosque when he was thrown out by holding prayer meetings-WHY? I could go on. SurelyYOU Study above most forumites must realise what is going on! most of your points involve the same groups of people.. 15 'muslims' out of 2 million in this country hold up a few placards and all hell break loose... MAJORITY, ACUALLY ALL THE MUSLIMS I KNOW ASK THE SAME QUESTION.. WHY.. ARE 2 NUTJOBS WITH A FEW FOLLOWERS GETTING ALL THIS MEDIA COVERAGE.. as for the other programme.. why werent you complaining the few days ago when a SIKH programme was aired on bbc... |
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Slicer 12 Jan 15:00
..........The programme to which you refer is being broadcast-WHY?.......... There approx 2-3m muslims in the uk.. maybe they want such a programme? after all i dont remember muslims being exempt from paying the licence fee.. |
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i'd pay it for R4 on it's own!
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Best Comedy Series over the laat 45 years and the best Sport and Drama, as well plus the best Nature/History/Geography plus everything else including Radio and Website
BBC 1/2/3/4...think "3" and "4" are really good I can enjoy them all from my living room without any other expense incurred. On the down side it costs over £2 PER WEEK!..:(..LOL |
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panglima 12 Jan 14:32
Millions on JR's wages, I can safely say on that score our licence fee WAS being wasted ..I couldn't agree more pang.. the money payed to celebs is obscene.. Pumpy meant JR Ewing (Nap) :) |
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The Sikhs arent allowed to close roads illegally for worship (nor would they want to).
The point that I am making is that Muslims get away with................... stuff no other religion would get away with. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY? Mind you, with a Muslim looking over Ken Livingstone's shoulder and Gearge Galloway championing their cause- I could almost feel sorry for them- but not quite. No other religion wants to convert the country that took them in to their own religion. Sharia law in this country would not allow them to get away with the behaviour they are now exhibiting. And if a suicide bombern survives a suicide bombing attempt- I am quite happy to be the one to fulfill his wishes and ensure that he gets his virgins! |
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blackburn 12 Jan 15:36
What exactly are you frightened of? what a ridiculous question. |
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Well try and answer it then.
You were doing quite well up to then study weren't you, then the usual paranoic insecurity set in because someone has a different viewpoint. |
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oh ffs, blackburn, don't you ever give it a rest?
clown. |
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Come on study my old son, we were having a reasonable conversation until you let yourself down again. Either pull yourself together or ignore me
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We were (sort of) conversing until you asked what I'm "frightened of".
Now you can consider yourself ignor(ant)ed. |
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Well what are you frightened of? Nothing, will suffice
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Slicer 12 Jan 16:32
The Sikhs arent allowed to close roads illegally for worship (nor would they want to). The point that I am making is that Muslims get away with................... stuff no other religion would get away with. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY? Mind you, with a Muslim looking over Ken Livingstone's shoulder and Gearge Galloway championing their cause- I could almost feel sorry for them- but not quite. No other religion wants to convert the country that took them in to their own religion. Sharia law in this country would not allow them to get away with the behaviour they are now exhibiting. And if a suicide bombern survives a suicide bombing attempt- I am quite happy to be the one to fulfill his wishes and ensure that he gets his virgins! sikhs have roads closed,where they march through a city celebrating the birth of guru nanak! look at my point again... who wants to convert the uk to shariah law? a few hundred wimps on benefits? the majority of muslim also want to know WHY these few idiots get away with, your just generalising and saying every muslim wants shariah law and roads closed so they can pray... |
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blackburn 12 Jan 15:36
The quality programmes ie those with a commercial viability would survive Unfortunately the two are nearly always mutually excliusive |
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B B C BEST IN WORLD
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thing i object too is paying so much for dvds of tv shows that ive already paid to be made.
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isnt anne robinson on 60k a week?
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Roads are closed legally for the Sikhs!
And they dont want to convert GB to Sikhism! |
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£2 Million a week to run the BBC Website in 2008;
BBC chiefs were accused of presiding over a **tail of overspending and budget mismanagement" yesterday after it emerged that the website bbc.co.uk went almost £36m over budget in a single year. A review of the site, published by the BBC Trust, showed that the BBC's UK web operations cost £110m - about 48% above the £74m budgeted. The BBC Trust, the corporation's governance and regulatory body, branded the incident a "serious breach" of bbc.co.uk's service licence. The review also revealed that if the BBC's management, led by director general Mark Thompson, is given the green light by the trust later this year for a further £39m investment in its online services, the real cost of bbc.co.uk will have nearly doubled to almost £150m within two years. |