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silly question... is anybody on benefits here ?????

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By:
SIR DEREK TROTTER
When: 11 Jan 10 19:23
lol cheers spyker
By:
punterfleecer
When: 11 Jan 10 19:36
SIR DEREK TROTTER 11 Jan 20:06
depends were u live punter


£315 a week would be a struggle before council tax and house rent anywhere you live

I apparently live in a cheap but all right area according to wikipedia, and I don't doubt it
By:
punterfleecer
When: 11 Jan 10 19:36
with a family of 4 that is
By:
SIR DEREK TROTTER
When: 11 Jan 10 19:43
i think most households on min wage would get less that that and some with a mortgage to pay.
By:
punterfleecer
When: 11 Jan 10 19:50
I suppose it's possible if lifestyle equates to eff all, hand me downs, homework and television
By:
SIR DEREK TROTTER
When: 11 Jan 10 19:58
i wish i had a television :(
By:
punterfleecer
When: 11 Jan 10 20:03
now now come on
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 11 Jan 10 20:05
you'll soon have one each
By:
punterfleecer
When: 11 Jan 10 20:05
i've got one thanks, it's a widescreen! :)
By:
ladycakes69
When: 11 Jan 10 20:06
child tax credits sounds right to me for two kids
By:
punterfleecer
When: 11 Jan 10 20:10
it can be confusing, cos I know a single mother at my work(part-time) and she gets help with rent cos she's a single mother?

very confusing
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 11 Jan 10 20:10
he'll need the JSA to pay the gym membership n stuff ;)
By:
Guybrush Threepwood
When: 11 Jan 10 20:27
The goverment Get Fit Scheme will pay for gym if unemployed.
By:
spyker
When: 11 Jan 10 20:42
only for 12 weeks!
By:
Mc Moonbeam
When: 11 Jan 10 20:44
would that cover the KIDS too ?
By:
spyker
When: 11 Jan 10 20:48
I'm not sure, probably but there are loads of local schemes these days for fat kids.
By:
garlicbread
When: 11 Jan 10 20:59
Me and Mrs Londis get 90 a week as self employed people making just 8k profit between us. (Maybe not even that much, we're very low earners)

We have one child and he's at school.
By:
Big Charlie
When: 11 Jan 10 21:13
punterfleecer 11 Jan 20:05
seriously, this thread is very confusing to be honest, things don't match up

£315 a week on a family of four after paying rent etc would be a real struggle


It must be easy as the minimum wage is £216 for a 40 hour week.
By:
positively4thsteet
When: 11 Jan 10 21:14
Big Charlie 11 Jan 22:13


punterfleecer 11 Jan 20:05
seriously, this thread is very confusing to be honest, things don't match up

£315 a week on a family of four after paying rent etc would be a real struggle

It must be easy as the minimum wage is £216 for a 40 hour week.



good point. beautifully f.uck.ing illustrated.
By:
SIR DEREK TROTTER
When: 11 Jan 10 21:16
punterfleecer is loaded NAP ;)
By:
punterfleecer
When: 11 Jan 10 21:19
Won't be, but I can see that the tories will be raising the minimum wage by 0.1% a year...................if labour never came in, there would be no minimum wage nor tax credits

good on the tories!....poverty is great!

at least Labour tried
By:
punterfleecer
When: 11 Jan 10 21:19
am not loaded, just have a tiny mortgage, at least I was sensible about it
By:
spyker
When: 12 Jan 10 17:29
Just remeberd Del - bloke at Job Centre said if both are on JSA then it's £109 a week for the 2, he should have been claiming Chld Tax Credit so that will stay the same, (think he said it should be about £60) child benefit, council tax and about 90% of rent. If the Mrs works then it gets really complicated!
By:
spyker
When: 12 Jan 10 17:31
It must be easy as the minimum wage is £216 for a 40 hour week.

They'd get a degree of housing and Council tax benefit as well.
By:
sidthekid
When: 12 Jan 10 17:36
If you have a Mortgage of less than £120,000 the Govenment pay %40 of it Monthly, if you are on the dole.
By:
Prima Donna
When: 12 Jan 10 17:41
if labour never came in, there would be no minimum wage

The minimum wage has been a win-win for Labour. Introducing it has made them seem like the champions of the downtrodden low-paid worker. But it has also meant the Goverment can**the lowest price a British worker can be avaliable at, this means that the Gov can ensure that EU imported worker can always be cheaper. If the Eu workers rates need to go up for any reason then 'good ole Labour' can simpy help the low paid worker and raise the minimum wage. What heros they are.

I find it staggering that people cannot see through this scam.
By:
SIR DEREK TROTTER
When: 12 Jan 10 17:46
cheers spyker . he gets made redundant in 3 weeks so this will help him..
By:
Big Charlie
When: 12 Jan 10 17:46
JSA is useless.

Anybody on it should get on IB instead, miles better off ater 6 months.
By:
spyker
When: 12 Jan 10 18:08
That's oh Del - tell him to try and get a job asap as dole life isn't as easy as many think!

IB doesn't exist anymore Chazza - Employment Service Allowance for new claimants which is basically the same as JSA.
By:
punterfleecer
When: 12 Jan 10 18:26
Prima Donna 12 Jan 18:41
if labour never came in, there would be no minimum wage

The minimum wage has been a win-win for Labour. Introducing it has made them seem like the champions of the downtrodden low-paid worker. But it has also meant the Goverment can**the lowest price a British worker can be avaliable at, this means that the Gov can ensure that EU imported worker can always be cheaper. If the Eu workers rates need to go up for any reason then 'good ole Labour' can simpy help the low paid worker and raise the minimum wage. What heros they are.

I find it staggering that people cannot see through this scam.


In bold, what is that absolute rubbish?
By:
punterfleecer
When: 12 Jan 10 18:27
Prima Donna, are you implying that workers from Poland can work here for less than the minimum wage legally?
By:
punterfleecer
When: 12 Jan 10 18:29
STOP TALKING SH!TE!
By:
spyker
When: 12 Jan 10 18:33
Minimum wage is same for all nationalities - the fact that some employers pay less to (economic) migrants is because they think they can get away with it. Many British workers work for less as well!
By:
punterfleecer
When: 12 Jan 10 18:35
I know that, theres a minimum wage office in HMRC, don't tell the police, tell your local HMRC office that you're getting paid less than the minimum wage
By:
Big Charlie
When: 12 Jan 10 18:43
spyker 12 Jan 19:08
That's oh Del - tell him to try and get a job asap as dole life isn't as easy as many think!

IB doesn't exist anymore Chazza - Employment Service Allowance for new claimants which is basically the same as JSA.


It does for old customers - I'm on it
By:
Hoss
When: 12 Jan 10 18:46
Who can forget the uproar from the tories when min wage was introduced, their bleating that it would bankrupt firms and the country couldn't afford it, in their efforts to keep the workers under their thumbs
By:
Big Charlie
When: 12 Jan 10 18:55
spyker 12 Jan 19:33
Minimum wage is same for all nationalities - the fact that some employers pay less to (economic) migrants is because they think they can get away with it. Many British workers work for less as well!


The difference is notable out here in the sticks. If you work you have to drive there as there are no buses.

Almost all warehouse jobs are filled by eastern europeans, who work via s(umbag employment agencies who charge DOUBLE what they pay the worker.

Eastern europeans work hard, if they were in London they would be on a lot more than £5-40p per hour.

I was getting almost £8 an hour when I left London in early 2005. The offered me the same job up here for £5-17p, I told them I don't work for slave wages.

I was told it's because the cost of living is cheaper.

Which is b0ll0cks.

Food is the same price as in London and petrol is cheaper.

The only thing cheaper up here is housing, but on such low pay, and being eastern european, they have to rent privately as there are no council houses.

£600 a month for a 2/3 bed house.

Gross pay with no overtime is about £864.

They need overtime or they have to share the house with others, which is enough to stop anybody having a family.
By:
punterfleecer
When: 12 Jan 10 18:59
I know staff were on £2 an hour in 1995

how do I know, cos that is what my brother earned when he was 18 in 1995 in a factory job

at least a minimum wage is getting somewhere but not good enough of course

as for house prices, it's usually a ripple effect from the centre of London

what should be happening is Councils and central government working their arses off to build new and affordable housing which doesn't seem to be happening at the moment
By:
Big Charlie
When: 12 Jan 10 19:05
Sibaroni on a thread on politics said there are loads of empty houses up north.

I said there are loads of homeless down south in east London.

I told him to get onto his local council and take some of the overflow up there.

Spread the ethnics about a bit and let everybody have a taste of multiculturalism. :)
By:
Prima Donna
When: 12 Jan 10 19:08
punterfleecer 12 Jan 19:27


Prima Donna, are you implying that workers from Poland can work here for less than the minimum wage legally



I am saying that Polish workers get paid less than the minimum wage.

Whether that is legal or not is another thing. And whether it is 'known' but overlooked is a seperate issue as well. It may be hard for you as a Civil Servant to accept but 'the rules' are there as an ideal NOT a reality in the real world. There are ways and means of manipulating the official minimum wage guideluine. Including accomation for a start.

Hoss, What the Tories said about crippling the economy and industry in this country, where is the industry in Britain now? and how often do we hear of companies outsourcing work to the EU due to the cost of wages on this country? this is the wider picture and more like what my earlier post was implying.
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