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Very droll fox! LOL.
Good night! Funnily enough, I used to be a removal man in the 80s when lots of cookers were "converted", etc...we used to joke about that in Glasgow, with the Old Firm divide - "Aw, it's aw-right, that cooker's a good Tim (Catholic)..." |
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Okay it seems 'they' are happy with a YES - their god created the whole lot. WHEN is far more difficult for them than 'us' of course - it matters not whether 3000, 30,000, 300,000, 3million, 3 billion or whatever.
Anyway - it's not going to be a difficulty for them to accept a big-bang theory or any other of their choosing then is it - 'cos god could just as easily have created the big-bang or other? Can I have another 'yes' please? |
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Yes .
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Cor! Phwooaaar!
Can we have Molly Bloom's soliloquy at this point, please? |
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"His tongue licked at my breasts as I opened a tin of spam and I thought YES I WILL, I will say yes to yer yes and you'll say yes to my yessy yes ya big cheesy basturt I will say yes to some gold top tomorrow with my eyes yes and my wet wet lips in the mornin' cor blimey YES !!!!"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
The brilliant Carl Sagan on God/gods and the origin of the universe. |
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Keep taking the pills Vel.
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Whither Carl? Did they blast his ashes into space? That "Contact" was some movie, eh?
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How original, Ivor.
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No - you get the award for originality!
''BEETROOT. REMOTE CONTROL. WHELK. JOLLY MONKEY. Yes, it's all very peculiar.'' |
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Yes.
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Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and were sinners.
What a way to suppress the people and keep them under control of the priests. Vel is scared of knowledge or he will go to hell. |
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They didn't eat from the "Tree of Knowledge" !
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And they weren't "sinners" - Eve didn't "sin" !
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Not seen Contact, Vel. Don't watch many films.
Sagan was the finest communicator of science I have ever seen. Interestingly, he was an agnostic when it comes to God/gods. On atheism, he said: "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid." One of his gifts was the power with which he communicated his tremendous sense of awe and wonder at the majesty of the cosmos (and at our ability to even begin to understand it).To many, including me, his words are pretty close to a religious/spiritual experience. They make me feel both humble and insignificant and yet part of something amazing. |
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$2,000,000 advance for Sagan in 1981 - not bad for a Science Fiction book.
Phillip K. D1ck could only dream of that. |
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lol
that and electric sheep... |
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"Cosmos" was terrific, though Carl's voice was quite soporific. I've got a DVD of "Cosmos."
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Poor PKD, slogging his guts out in a wee hut, day after day, for a pittance!
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If there is a creator he is very benign, I will count myself an atheist until I see any proof of its existence.
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From the first pages of Cosmos:
"The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. Our feeblest contemplations of the Cosmos stir us |
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An Agnostic doesn't know what side of the fence he sits on, I think Carl was most definite an Atheist. I've never seen him quote anywhere he was an Agnostic.
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And all Atheists are Agnostics to a certain extent.
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It's all Greek to me.
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Agnostics are believers waiting for the right explanation.They always find it.
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For yer actual SF thrills, I'd have to prefer Olaf Stapledon, CS Lewis, and Phillip K. D1ck...and Kilgore Trout...
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Wonder what he would have thought about SETI now
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Kilgore Trout would have nodded sagely.
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oval, from what I have seen he considered himself an atheist earlier in life (for example, he wrote an article in 1980 on the subject) but in an interview in 1996 he declared himself agnostic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_ref-32
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I've no doubt life is teeming in the Universe (maybe even on Jupiter's Moon Europa) but intelligent life is indeed a rarity.
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Yes - excuse me while I draw a graph.
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hemingway, Fitzgerald, Trout.Great authors whatever the genre
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You should read his book "Billions and Billions" on what he speaks of his final days. Anne Druyan recounts that there was no last minute prayers to any god and that he died peacefully. I read a lot of his stuff and nowhere does he say what his beliefs are but he definitely errs towards no god.
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Yes, Dobbo - I've always seen you as a cross between the lead singer in The Wurzels and Jay Gatsby. How many shirts did you say you owned?
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Dobbo - tell me you won't go out like Rocky Sullivan in "Angels With Dirty Faces" !
Tell me you WON'T, Dobbo - NOT EVEN FOR THE KIDS!! |
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He didn't do it for the kids. He was yellow. A yellow rat
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oval, not that it matters, I came across this page from the planetary society (which I think he founded or co-founded) which also states Sagan was an agnostic:
http://www.planetary.org/programs/projects/space_information/review_sagan_varieties.html It looks a good book. |
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Yes, he gripped the radiator, Dobbo.
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Slarty, I always thought it was a collection of his other works but will check it out.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLVB3ukGVTk
Ann Sheridan - a girl of the shadows! |