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Where does your god fit into this little lot from 13-billion years ago.
Did he just pop up to 'create' a few humans at the last minute?
Where does your god fit into this little lot from 13-billion years ago.
Did he just pop up to 'create' a few humans at the last minute?
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oh come on - the answer must be in the good book somewhere surely?
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Because God did it.
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Ivor they dont like science m8,dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
^ apologies to south park :) |
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It is so unfortunate, that the 2000 year old christian dynasty has been entrenched so deeply into the minds of normal enquiring folk...
Many children believe in santa until they wise up ... Many adults believe in the 'organised' limitedness of 'religions' until they grow up ... Bottom line, does it matter what others may say or think? Love is the 'glue' of life ... enjoy life ... :) |
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and u say the bible is a book of fantasy!
u just 'accept' this big bang as fact then do you? and u also just accept scientists theories about time spans of 600-900 million years? what a load of poppycock..i thought science was all about proving such theories as substantive fact? |
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I just cannot comprehend how they can fit any religion in with the facts as we know them. Why ''on earth'' would a god create billions of pieces of rock and tonnes of gas tossed amongst the 'heavens' pretty much randomly - and then wait billions of years to create a few molecules of human carbon and millions of different species from the highest peaks to the deepest oceans - all just to make an impression so we can 'praise' him'? Dream on!
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carbon dating etc etc
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Just answer the question Tony - did your god create all that lot - or just the living creatures on this lonely planet? Don't bother with PMQ type avoidance answers.
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it's just dumb humans
possibly one of the oddest things about the human race tbh to believe in a made up entity with not one thing to suggests its existence and some of the finest minds have believed in it too it's no different to believing in santa, elves, goblins and fairies |
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add the loch ness monster too
just an urban myth |
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^ I concur :0
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its simple to anser ivor
God created the whole lot id imagine, BUT it does mention in genesis about the earth being without form and void, maybe you could in some ways relate this same 'void' witht he rest of the universe? You also have to remember that with God time doesnt exist..no such thing as waiting billions of years. In the beginning God.... In the beginning, er...well there was this big bang, like... |
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christians always contradict themselves but happy with it
theres no way out of it |
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Progress - you do believe that god created all of it. But god doesn't do 'time' as we understand it.
Where do you get that from? |
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Tony Broke 08 Jan 20:22
You also have to remember that with God time doesnt exist..no such thing as waiting billions of years. In the beginning God.... In the beginning, er...well there was this big bang, like... ---------------------------------- And which sounds more ridiculous? If you are claiming that some supernatural being instigated the creation of the universe, surely the follow-up question is who is this being and who created him? If everything MUST have been created by a creator, then there is no reason God should be immune from the same question. And who created his creator? And his? Ad infinitum. It might seem unfathomable that the universe should just "exist", but it's far more plausible than the God theory. |
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'Big Bang'??
Always makes me smile. And to think these people claim to be scientific. |
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Smile if you wish - don't you think your god may have created the big bang then?
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Ivor you have a fascination with this topic.
I think maybe you want to believe that there's more to this life...? As for the 'BB', explosions destroy. They do not make things better. Another cornerstone of evolution is mutations. They are overwhelmingly a negative influence on a species and yet evolution depends on them being helpful to improve life. It's just so unscientific. |
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PMQ's - you are off down a side-road, I'll not follow.
Did your god create the whole lot or not? |
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I'm not a "Theist" or "Deist" but...
Is this yet another example of the word "science" being used totemically? "They don't like science..." etc. The second sentence in Genesis ( NOT the start of the Bible, btw...) has "...formless and empty, darkness..." In Hebrew, it's difficult to exaggerate the horror of the words : "TOHU VABOHU". An immense, vast age of TOHU VABOHU is implied. The word or phrase might also be a hapax legomenon, further adding to the mystery. Time is a physical property of the universe, and God is outside of time. "Where" God is, everything has already happened. God is infinite and self-existent, beyond all space and time. |
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It might seem unfathomable that the universe should just "exist", but it's far more plausible than the God theory.
they are both very strange |
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My mate reckons that........Time is a human construct used to keep track of sequential motions in space referenced to repetitive observed motions. Useful for planning and information transfer, it is sometimes considered as if it were a fourth spatial dimension.
Time is usually considered to have three aspects, the past, present and future. These can be considered to correspond to motion of a specific point on a wave front. The past is the total sum of all motions that led to that instantaneous position which we consider the present, and the future is where that wasvefront spot may be considered to go in the next instant, and all the instants which may follow. The present is the result of a certain sequence of motions, which we call the past, something which no longer exists, but which is, never the less. a "fixed construction." To go back into the past, in a physical sense, would require a retrograde repetition of all of these motions, a set of motions which would increase instant by instant in a huge geometric progression. Our "wave front" would have to move backwards in a perfect reversal of the sequence by which it had previously moved forward. Even were this possible, one can see, that, since the direction has been reversed, what was "back" is now "forward," the wave front, while "retracing the past" would actually by "moving into the future." In trying to go into the past, a "time-traveller" would actually be attempting to create a future which was a reversal of the past. I have different ideas but unfortunately insuffucient time to explain them. |
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It seems they cannot, as a politician, use the words YES or NO - as that would cause them further difficulties - so off we go around the roundabouts and down the side roads.
Did he did or did he didn't? |
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Brendan is right - any answer is going to be peculiar.
Try this : write a self portrait, describing your physical self and your personality. It's going to be very peculiar. As we all know, we're all peculiar bast@rds on this forum, and on this earth. "Speak for yourself, Vel," I don't hear you say,"Strike a light, guv'nor!" To which I reply: BEETROOT. REMOTE CONTROL. WHELK. JOLLY MONKEY. Yes, it's all very peculiar. But it's not about the big numbers and quivering galaxies, Oh Atheist! Oh no! It's about YOU, here and now...and your position as a "thinking reed" in this vast, immense creation... |
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snippet from the Seth material...
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Did he did or did he didn't?
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what was the question?
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Is that it? Is that all there is to it??
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Ivor the answer for the purpose of this thread is yes. but not the personified God/s that are used by organised religions for power and control, but a conciousness of which we are a part. Funnily enough our scientists have just recently agreed that matter is formed by conciousness. but as I said before I am not the one to explain this. I have read 100s of books over 40+ years on the subject and the Seth material is the most concise that I have found.
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"Seth" thumper!
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Lol, Velasquez, some people prefer the Michael publications, each to their own.
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Alan Partridge : "God is an intelligent gas."
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Alan may not be wrong, if he is right, it has to be laughing Gas.
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In which case, O2LOL.
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if the universe is a mere few thousand years old, how do you explain the existance of ancient creatures such as dinosaurs
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^existence
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It's NOT a mere few thousand years old! Who's saying it is? Tammy Faye Bakker ?
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Velasquez, the 10 years 1967/77 spent in converting God to "Natural Gas" was the ruination of this country,imo..............good talking to you, gn and gl.
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I've just read it. Oh I think it was a different but related thread on here. Evolution/Creation argument.
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