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By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 21:27
Very droll fox! LOL.

Good night! Funnily enough, I used to be a removal man in the 80s when lots of cookers were "converted", etc...we used to joke about that in Glasgow, with the Old Firm divide - "Aw, it's aw-right, that cooker's a good Tim (Catholic)..."
By:
Ivor
When: 08 Jan 10 21:28
Okay it seems 'they' are happy with a YES - their god created the whole lot. WHEN is far more difficult for them than 'us' of course - it matters not whether 3000, 30,000, 300,000, 3million, 3 billion or whatever.
Anyway - it's not going to be a difficulty for them to accept a big-bang theory or any other of their choosing then is it - 'cos god could just as easily have created the big-bang or other?
Can I have another 'yes' please?
By:
custardcream64
When: 08 Jan 10 21:29
Yes .
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 21:33
Cor! Phwooaaar!

Can we have Molly Bloom's soliloquy at this point, please?
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 21:37
"His tongue licked at my breasts as I opened a tin of spam and I thought YES I WILL, I will say yes to yer yes and you'll say yes to my yessy yes ya big cheesy basturt I will say yes to some gold top tomorrow with my eyes yes and my wet wet lips in the mornin' cor blimey YES !!!!"
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 21:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0

The brilliant Carl Sagan on God/gods and the origin of the universe.
By:
Ivor
When: 08 Jan 10 21:42
Keep taking the pills Vel.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 21:45
Whither Carl? Did they blast his ashes into space? That "Contact" was some movie, eh?
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 21:46
How original, Ivor.
By:
Ivor
When: 08 Jan 10 21:50
No - you get the award for originality!
''BEETROOT. REMOTE CONTROL. WHELK. JOLLY MONKEY. Yes, it's all very peculiar.''
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 21:51
Yes.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:00
Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and were sinners.

What a way to suppress the people and keep them under control of the priests. Vel is scared of knowledge or he will go to hell.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:03
They didn't eat from the "Tree of Knowledge" !
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:06
And they weren't "sinners" - Eve didn't "sin" !
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:07
Not seen Contact, Vel. Don't watch many films.

Sagan was the finest communicator of science I have ever seen. Interestingly, he was an agnostic when it comes to God/gods. On atheism, he said: "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid."

One of his gifts was the power with which he communicated his tremendous sense of awe and wonder at the majesty of the cosmos (and at our ability to even begin to understand it).To many, including me, his words are pretty close to a religious/spiritual experience. They make me feel both humble and insignificant and yet part of something amazing.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:09
$2,000,000 advance for Sagan in 1981 - not bad for a Science Fiction book.

Phillip K. D1ck could only dream of that.
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:11
lol

that and electric sheep...
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:11
"Cosmos" was terrific, though Carl's voice was quite soporific. I've got a DVD of "Cosmos."
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:13
Poor PKD, slogging his guts out in a wee hut, day after day, for a pittance!
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:24
If there is a creator he is very benign, I will count myself an atheist until I see any proof of its existence.
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:25
From the first pages of Cosmos:

"The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. Our feeblest contemplations of the Cosmos stir us
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:27
An Agnostic doesn't know what side of the fence he sits on, I think Carl was most definite an Atheist. I've never seen him quote anywhere he was an Agnostic.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:28
And all Atheists are Agnostics to a certain extent.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:29
It's all Greek to me.
By:
Dobbo
When: 08 Jan 10 22:32
Agnostics are believers waiting for the right explanation.They always find it.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:35
For yer actual SF thrills, I'd have to prefer Olaf Stapledon, CS Lewis, and Phillip K. D1ck...and Kilgore Trout...
By:
brendanuk1
When: 08 Jan 10 22:36
Wonder what he would have thought about SETI now
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:37
Kilgore Trout would have nodded sagely.
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:37
oval, from what I have seen he considered himself an atheist earlier in life (for example, he wrote an article in 1980 on the subject) but in an interview in 1996 he declared himself agnostic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_ref-32
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:38
I've no doubt life is teeming in the Universe (maybe even on Jupiter's Moon Europa) but intelligent life is indeed a rarity.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:39
Yes - excuse me while I draw a graph.
By:
Dobbo
When: 08 Jan 10 22:41
hemingway, Fitzgerald, Trout.Great authors whatever the genre
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:43
You should read his book "Billions and Billions" on what he speaks of his final days. Anne Druyan recounts that there was no last minute prayers to any god and that he died peacefully. I read a lot of his stuff and nowhere does he say what his beliefs are but he definitely errs towards no god.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:45
Yes, Dobbo - I've always seen you as a cross between the lead singer in The Wurzels and Jay Gatsby. How many shirts did you say you owned?
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:52
Dobbo - tell me you won't go out like Rocky Sullivan in "Angels With Dirty Faces" !

Tell me you WON'T, Dobbo - NOT EVEN FOR THE KIDS!!
By:
Dobbo
When: 08 Jan 10 22:54
He didn't do it for the kids. He was yellow. A yellow rat
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:55
oval, not that it matters, I came across this page from the planetary society (which I think he founded or co-founded) which also states Sagan was an agnostic:
http://www.planetary.org/programs/projects/space_information/review_sagan_varieties.html

It looks a good book.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 22:58
Yes, he gripped the radiator, Dobbo.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 22:58
Slarty, I always thought it was a collection of his other works but will check it out.
By:
Velasquez
When: 08 Jan 10 23:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLVB3ukGVTk

Ann Sheridan - a girl of the shadows!
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