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do you beleive in evolution

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By:
kohaku
When: 08 Jan 10 10:06
Perhaps God was an 'Alien' then. How about that theory.
By:
kohaku
When: 08 Jan 10 10:07
Exactly Ovalman..... Flying Fish
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 08 Jan 10 10:08
Dragon, out of interest (and I'm not trying to be mischievous) would you say any of the following are familiar to you:

Exons
Junk DNA
Self-splicing introns.

And could you also say whether you believe in natural selection?
By:
Ghostdog
When: 08 Jan 10 10:08
Either this guy is a positively HEROIC troll, or he really believes what he types. Confused now.
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 08 Jan 10 10:08
Ovalman, you must be an "Alliance" voter. ;)
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 10:10
this has nothing to do with God or the Bible or anything like that, my asserstion is that evolution is atheory just like all other "beliefs" and not PROVEN as some people herald it to be
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 08 Jan 10 10:13
It's a matter of statistical significance like pretty much all theories. I think that if you read enough about the facts of biology you can be convinced to an arbitrary level of surety. I think you also have something to think about if you reject the God hypothesis as it is statistically ridiculous that the species formed independently with so many similarities.
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 10:14
Evolution can be a slippery concept and is often misunderstood. But it is not really that tricky.

Just look at dog breeding. Over many generations traits regarded as desirable are bred in and traits regarded as undesirable are bred out. The result is, that from the grey wolf gene pool (thought to be the origin of all our dogs), you get all the various breeds of dog from Great Danes to chihuahuas, St Bernards to whippets, which all reman part of the same species.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog

As with dog, the same is true of all domesticated animals and plants. Humans have taken the wild stock and intentionally bred them with the hope of encouraging desirable characteristics in the offspring. Who wants an aggressive, thin, flighty sheep when you can have a passive, fat, docile one? Who wants a small, sour apple when you can have a plump, sweet one? If these different strains of a species existed in the wild they might eventually, after many generations, become different species.

Now obvously in nature there is no farmer controlling the breeding process. But in effect (though emphatically not by design) natural selection performs a similar job by determining which individuals breed successfully by dint of their fitness for their particular environment (ie those charcteristics that do not fit an environment hinder the individual's ability to survive and breed). Whatever characteristics help the individual survive and thrive are thus "bred in" by nature and those that hinder survival are "bred out".

Incidentally, I have alluded here to the famous phrase the "survival of the fittest" which is often misunderstood to imply a violent, dog-eat-dog kind of process. What the phrase originally meant, however, was merely that those animals who survived were by definition the ones who were best fitted to their environment.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 10:14
I would tend to vote for the UUP when I can be bothered.
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 10:18
thats fine and interesting slarty but does not explain the origin of the species :)
By:
trying to do this for a living
When: 08 Jan 10 10:20
a theory is quite different from a hypothesis - hence the reason it is true and evidence supports it
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 10:20
Why do you look similar but not exactly the same as your parents Dragon?
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 08 Jan 10 10:21
Gene recombination.
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 10:22
genes me old son genes
By:
wur
When: 08 Jan 10 10:22
With regard to wild dogs, there are two species in North America, the wolf and the coyote. These species can, and do, interbreed, producing offspring that are half wolf, half coyote. So why are there two species? What keeps them separate?
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 10:22
Drag, I thought your problem was with evolution as a general explanation for the biological forms on earth. Or is it just with evolution leading to man?
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 10:24
i think you are misunderstanding my point here, undoubtedley animals, plants, humans etc change for a whole variety of reasons, what i cannot have as fact is the theory that we evolved over an incedibly long period of time from tiny amabos or whatever. it just does not fit
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 08 Jan 10 10:25
What doesn't it fit?
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 10:25
Gd q, wur. Could it be that while they can and sometimes do interbreed that it is a trait posessed only by a minority of indiviuals or occurring only under certain unusual circumstances? Mere speculation obviously.
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 10:26
dont know what the answer is but evolution is only one theorY AMONG MANY, SOME OF WHICH i probably have never heard of
By:
Ovalman.
When: 08 Jan 10 10:27
Through the past few thousand years (since the 5,000 year that the bible says) we have evolved, we have grown less hair and our tonsils are receding.
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 10:27
with the complex and wide variation of like on planet earth
By:
slartybartfast.
When: 08 Jan 10 10:30
Drag, if you can understand how evolution applies to animals and plants why can you not understand how it might apply to human animals?

As an explanation, how does evolution "not fit" the reality of a wide variety of life on earth?
By:
Alex69
When: 08 Jan 10 10:31
My hair's receding, Ovalman :(
By:
kohaku
When: 08 Jan 10 10:31
The Dragon 08 Jan 11:24


what i cannot have as fact is the theory that we evolved over an incedibly long period of time from tiny amabos or whatever. it just does not fit

Why not,dont forget during the ice age..your grand parents had wooly coats
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 10:33
well take the human body, it is so complex and amazingly intricate i just cannot see how this "evolved" just by chance, just doesnt stack up to me
By:
The Leopard
When: 08 Jan 10 10:40
Human body is very similar to chimpanzee.......why would your imagined God....make a Human and a Chimpanzee....?

They are similar because they evolved down different paths from a common ancestor...
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 10:41
if you read what i said leopard i am not talking God here i am questioning the validity of the FACTUAL nature of the evolutionary THEORY
By:
leazes67
When: 08 Jan 10 10:42
common ancestor..but chimps and apes left behind?
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 08 Jan 10 10:44
Left behind? They evolved to in a different direction from that common ancestor.
By:
evski
When: 08 Jan 10 10:50
incredible bit of fishing here.

The idea that evolution is illogical is simply laughable. The concept of billions of minor mutations over billions of years leading life from a simple amino acid to sentient beings is not simple or easy. It is neither illogical or without foundation. Plenty of evidence exists of mutations good and bad, and on the micro level we can see a virus evolve.

Of course it is not fact; we can only see that there is a bulk of evidence in favour of evolution, and that there are no rival theories that have any supporting empirical evidence.
By:
inner city sumo
When: 08 Jan 10 11:15
Even at an insect level it has been demonstrated in the lab that evolution can be forced upon a species by altering the environment.
By:
Perseus
When: 08 Jan 10 11:16
Perseus 07 Jan 23:02


Dragon,

Did u see the thing on dogs last nite where they bred the aggression out of foxes in 8 generations making them more 'dog like'. This is evolution on fast forward.

Pretty sure u are on a wind up btw


Dragon, this was the fox thing I spoke of.........can't believe you are still at this! Slow day?
By:
Kevin1958
When: 08 Jan 10 11:23
My guess is that we were designed and created by a superior force. It doesn't matter what we call that force.
By:
The Dragon
When: 08 Jan 10 11:48
bored pers snowed in and stinking cold to boot :(
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 08 Jan 10 12:16
If that cold hadn't mutated you wouldn't have had it. :)
By:
munch man
When: 08 Jan 10 12:38
my mate's mother in law has put a lot of weight on over the years and she now walks EXACTLY like a gorilla. It's uncanny.
By:
munch man
When: 08 Jan 10 12:40
the gait is not a bit like a gorilla, it's EXACTLY the same. proof.
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