Amanda Knox.. GUILTY or not Guilty ?

we won't find out the truth unles the appeals fail, then one of the 3 will bottle it and try to strike a deal by telling what happened

not hard to see why the CPS proceed with iffy cases. they must know full well when it's a shaky case but also know they'll probably get away with it. juries don't to leave cases unsolved especially someone has been killed.

Both of their alibis stunk, thats more than enough to to persue

who was the last high profile accused to be acquitted by a Jury first time up?

Of murder?

OJ?

Yep..

I'm struggling

Robert Blake.2005.

That Louise Woodward from the 1997 case, has lost weight and looks sexy now

she got 10months in USA, for killing a baby

will win on appeal

I reckon they all know what happened and they were hoping they would be found not guilty. Now they got 25 in jail, i think someone will tal

can see an appeal clearing the girl and ex, think they will both pin it on the other guy who's an easy fall guy with his dna allready over the scene and admitting he was at scene at time!

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/mixed_dna.html

have to realise is not going to be a site incriminating Foxy but still, this whole police case looks a shambles from start to finish!!

guy said he was surfing the net at home, his isp say he wasnt, so where was he?

At Nestor's birthday party?

brendanuk obviously he wasnt on the net as he stated, however where is the proof beyond reasonable doubt that he together with knox killed the girl?? not to say they didnt, but the case was weaker than Carling lager!!!! An appeal will surely be successful, it seems any case where the jury can read papers, internet, talk to who they wany is severely flawed from the outset!!

why is he lying about his whereabouts that night?

On occassion, innocent people have lied about there activites, to conceal embarassing/illegal secrets. Unless he was raping the Pope however, it's hard to see how he could not want to come clean now.

Ah... so that's what "stop pontificating" means.

again lying about his whereabouts isnt a great idea!! however does that mean he killed the girl?

great article on the mail site, seems as though an appeal would be abt 1/25 to succeed

lol yes Zola.

just watched an american tv guy from 48 hours doing a special on knox

convinced she was innocent and not there

the dna evidence being used does not meet requirements to be admissable in court in uk or usa. 200 base pairs must be available for analysis.

in this case the dna evidence they are using is only 50 pairs - it is inadmissable in the usa and uk because IT DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING. the low standard sample could prove any number of other people were guilty - because such a small section will be shared by a huge number of people.

not read anything else about the case, so cant comment on guilt etc. just wanted to comment on the dna aspect.

How many is a huge number?

agreed donwaro, its sad really that the family of the murdered girl are having to have the Italians in charge of this as they will always question if they have got justice or not!!

funny how some of the papers that did the damage previous are now looking at the case from in a different light!

yet another twist today!!!

guilty - thank god american money cannot buy there way out of this one

its sad really that the family of the murdered girl are having to have the Italians in charge of this as they will always question if they have got justice or not!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8396826.stm

In a statement read to a press conference in Perugia, Miss Kercher's brother Lyle said: "Ultimately we are pleased with the verdict.

"It's not a time for celebration. It's not a moment of triumph.

"We are all gathered here because our sister was brutally murdered and taken away from us.

"Of course, there were two very young people who have been sentenced yesterday to a very long time behind bars."

Miss Kercher's mother Arline told reporters: "At the end of the day you have to go on the evidence because there's nothing else."

The family praised the efforts of police, prosecutors, and jurors during the two years since Miss Kercher's death, with sister Stephanie thanking the public for their messages of support.


Not much doubt there from the family who followed the trial as much as anyone for 2 years

the evidence produced in court was weaker than carling lager though!! thats the whole point, you cant convict without hard evidence!!!

am i wrong to find her hot?

guess i must be

u will struggle to get near her for a while!!!

an interesting by Douglas Preston in the Guardian G2 section today

Raises a lot of queations about the chief prosecutor Giuliano Mignini who was under
investigation before the case even started.

does raise a few interesting points

GUILTY or not Guilty ?

I pick horney

owl4life 09 Dec 23:56
am i wrong to find her hot?

She wont be to hot when she stabs ye & kicks the f0ck out of you,lol just jokin but yea she is hot.

More 4 now....

Not seen a full in depth docu of this case before. Looks good.

She got the knickname 'Foxy' because of her style of crouching on the soccer pitch and she used it innocently on her facebook page.
Some myths being dispelled here !

Interesting stuff so far.

Jot em down as we go along.
She implicated a bar owner who was 100% cleared of murder and thus the press went after her. Dispicable act in their view.

in most peoples view tbf

American relatives now**ging off the Italian judiciary and how it works.
The Romans would be seething.

so it's OK to broadcast this even though the case is subject to appeal? Bit rich for a documentary like this to highlight she'd been judged before case got to court.

bet the letter from the Seatle judge went down well with Berlusconi.

'kids nowadays like things more explicit to what we did as kids'
paraphrasing and don't know who that woman was but is she really putting that out? Idiot.

has anyone said ' spaff on her chebs' yet?
if not- bags i go first

thinking about it - which i do - on reflection.... 2nd

She's just admitted to smoking a spliff ,lmao, you'll hate her.

b itc h - hang her NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

humble American is an oxymoron if ever I wrote one.

Ahh ,this journo has come in for some grief from family.Not surprised.

best friend is a bit of a munter

This guy Rudi sounds like a bit of a sh1t

The knife business looks very dubious.

Forensic evidence does n't look clever does it? Can't help thinking the 'Friends of Amanda' group have gone about their campaign in the wrong way though.

Nevertheless verdict seems dubious to say the least.

If she was going to implicate someone and say she was there at the time of the murder ( she switched to this later ) why didn't she say it was the black guy who is doing 16 years and is pretty much decided as guilty ?
Why did she implicate that innocent bar owner?

That appears to be her biggest mistake. Surely should have blamed Rudi (who appears guilty as f*ck) than blame her boss. Maybe panic I suppose but it was not clever and once her boss was cleared, Knox was completely f*cked. Hardly any mention of the boyfriend in the documentary....

Yes ,what I am saying is that IF she WAS there ,she'd implicate him straight away. It makes no sense to own up to being there at the time and lay the blame at another fella.

Had a bit to imbibe ;) and the case is tricky ,so deffo needs a lot of looking at ,but I've a gut feeling she'll be released, imo

Hmmm, i'm not convinced either way. It's all a bit odd

seems to me that the lass who died bottled it with the 2 big darkies and they got pee'ed off cos there sex show wasnt happenning so gave her the old sweeny todd

do not like the cut of her gib at all
guiklty as hell imo

yorky, the black bar owner who Knox worked for has been 100% cleared, Rudi is doing 16 years. He had his DNA inside Meredith.

I hadn't followed the case a lot and to me she came across as a cheeky young girl. Just normal.

Exactly Brodie, seems to be the natural response if she was guilty, just pin it on him

Rudi the real trouble maker from what I can see. Dont think Knox is completely innocent.

Guess we'll never know. Sad case anyway.

Same, some of the stuff used to paint the image of her is stuff 90% of people her age will have done

I think I summed it up pretty well case dismissed

Fair enough yorky. :)

The prosecution have seemingly dreamt a situation in which Knox dreamt about an orgy. There is something that doesnt quite add up though, blaming the bar man being the main thing

'Unsolved crimes USA' is on now channel 11 for us crime buffs ;)

Not about Knox ,but still ^^^

I'm hooked on this now, think i'll do some more reading on it tomorrow

This crime on ch11 is incredible.

Jeez, sounds brutal

A crime i've never heard of before. Lure a pizza delivery guy ,put a bomb around his neck ,leave instructions with him how to rob a bank and make him do it ,and then he does it ,coppers catch him and he blows up.
Who thinks of this stuff! Like out of a film !

Pretty rough situation for him

Just so way over the top.

The task of getting the keys to diffuse the bomb and its impossibility does point to a high school prank or thrill seekers doesn't it?
He was never gunna succeed.

WTF is this?? Getting weirder and weirder. Gunna look this case up when i'm sober tomoz so as a reminder ;
Brian Wells is the name etc.

poor bloke,

Already done it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Douglas_Wells

Further twist...

Wells was drawn into the plot through Barnes, whom he knew through a prostitute who often used Barnes' home as a place to have sex with customers.[3] The whole plot was hatched to get funds to pay Barnes enough money to kill Diehl-Armstrong's father, so Diehl-Armstrong could get an inheritance, authorities said.

Couldnt make this stuff up ffs

Elaborate is the word i was looking for. So much planning beforehand that a thick yokel could prepare? Na

the video is pretty gruesome

Guilty. Her whole image in court was disturbing. And that picture of her
boyfriend dressed as a surgeon with a meat cleaver,
whoever would dress like that for a photo must have a pretty nasty violent side to them !

I watched the programme last night and i felt it was inconclusive of the facts because the knife used could not have made second knife wound .I presume there must have been a second weapon used ,bizzarre?

My instincts say guilty i must admit

I'd generally caution against taking odd/insensitive behaviour as evidence of guilt. I've a friend who commented online about someone ELSE having a very distasteful fancy dress costume and he's still be persued by the tabloids for it today.

However, her attempting to implicate someone else and changing her story repeatedly, does to me make her look guilty.

innocent

On that programme last night, it clearly seemed to suggest that some police nearby
had found her mobile phone, then came to the house and walked straight into a crime scene,
and her boyfriends call to the police reporting it - was actually made about a minute
after when the police had already arrived. Then there were pictures of Amanda Knox
and the boyfriend kissing outside the house. Very odd behaviour, then later when they
were arrested she tries to blame it on to the coloured chap who was her boss,
but he soon got released. Think she was a nasty person anyway high on drink and drugs.

Apparently there are inconsistencies in the reports that they arrived before he made the call, though that's from friendsofamanda

Tough call for me, I side with innocent though. I struggle to see how they could have left her in such a state and leave no DNA. Not sure how they found her guilty on the basis of the evidence

Guilty
This line of " she is a nice American girl and cannot be guity" which her parents are peddling , makes me feel ill.
Hope she rots in jail

I'll repeat what I said ( p1ssed ) last night.
Lets assume she is guilty and Rudi ,who pretty much everyone agrees is guilty too.
She initially said she wasn't there at the time of the murder.
She then changed her story and said she was there and implicated her boss, who was later freed.
Now, assuming she is guilty then why on earth didn't she just implicate Rudi and not an innocent man?
Get what i mean ,or am I missing something?

It's a mystery

would u bring her home to meet the family?

It sounds like Amanda Knox could not lie straight in bed

Possibly