well done china

that just about sums him up punkha

What punkha1 says must be true

;) ;)

glad you agree

he echoed my sentiments

tho i wasn't quite so abusive

death to a piece of chite

punkha1 and canaryboy are not dead

;) ;)

Horrific stuff

heroin is not Horrific stuff to kids (according to some)

:) :)

As observed by others, executing the mentally ill is not something the West goes for. Am pleased the UK govt have made their objection clear.

I think some Iraqi people may disagree

:0 :0

3. What are Smileys?
Otherwise known as 'Emoticons', smileys are used liberally to indicate the intent of the writer in the absence of any other clues.

There are people who claim that if everyone wrote and read carefully and intelligently then there would be no need for smileys. Indeed many people, especially in several of the UK newsgroups, refuse to use them at all and and regard them as being exclusively for the illiterate. If we were discussing journalism, literature or formal correspondance then I would agree wholeheartedly.

But be careful not to overuse them; like everything else, overuse destroys the usefulness. And do not use Smileys as a way of trying to get away with being rude or insulting. This is cowardice and will simply get you branded as an idiot.

looks like we have a professional forum poster

Some one needs to get out more

:) :)

or not an illiterate idiot...

but dont go to China to smuggle drugs

Not a good idea

:D :D

so you had a happy childhood then...

Got to say Mike that I agree with the Chinese here....
They always seem to be mentally ill or "didn't know how it got there" when they're caught.
Would be nice to see his travel details to see where he'd been over the last few years.......easily traced.

ok give me other examples then

P.S. Hope you had a good Xmas and all the best for the New Year

yes i had a great xmas thank you

is it ok to execute the mentally ill and not even assess them when concerns are raised?

and do most drug smugglers accept they will be made into a pop star

Mr Shaikh, who the media quite falsely claim to be a

Sparkmaster is the biggest wimp on Betfair,runs a decent quiz though.

I'm being financially executed at $1/$2 so of course it does! ;)

i've been running pretty well of late

you still making terrible folds?

and good to see us thrash you the other week!

worse....I'm making terrible calls......lol
Not been a bad 6 months in fairness......
Had a uber tilty night Boxing Day when I spewed 600 but in the main been pretty good.....you?

yeah not been playing much tbh

some time off over xmas to play a little bit and can't complain

On the upside.....I was that p1ssed I threw £1000 on Kauto...
I cried when it jumped the last ;)

time for bed i think

gl

lol n1

gn mate

sparkmaster. 30 Dec 01:54
As observed by others, executing the mentally ill is not something the West goes for. Am pleased the UK govt have made their objection clear.

The West in the UK doesn't execute sane criminals either.

How anyone can condemn China for killing (humanely) a drug smuggler, while condoning sundry drug users, is beyond me.

I can't condemn the Chinese decision myself, they have a zero tolerance policy on drug dealers and any visitor to thei country should be aware of this and respect their laws.
The mental health issue is probably one of those ** excuses that criminals use to claim diminished respnsibility for their crimes.
How does a genuinley mentally challenged man get to roam China on his own with no carer.
The Chinese have stuck by their law for the punishment of drug dealers and we must accept it.

lol do you think all mentally ill people have mental retardation preventing them from doing simple tasks like travelling?

basically giving them the mental age of a child

it's a genuine eye opener to see how stupid some people can actually be

ok many are degenerate gamblers but still

Anyone genuinley mentally ill enough to not realise carrying 4kg of heroin is a bit naughty needs looking after in my book.

well spotted

Could have been sent back home ,2 months in springfield ,2 months cutting old peoples hedges would have sorted him ..

Unfortunately the wheels appear to have fallen off..

Looks like a sad case of another person going under the UKs mental health radar .had he been to china before I wonder ?

I wantyour money

Is that article for real? if it is thats a suberb find and puts things neatly into place re"mental illness"

GASHWAN 30 Dec 01:09


either female or some do gooding leftie hippie moron.


still suffering from shyness with women?

its a pity his family didnt look after him before this happened

i agree with GASH

UIt is an eye opener how so many people can be easily led by others

Hi Canarboy

;) ;)

Yes it is real BonViv

It is indeed real, although it may not be true!

Here it is

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/12/china-shows-world-how-to-deal-with-drug-pushers/

Why would it not be true?

Oh, I see it is not the BBC

:D :D :D :D

Or the Mirror

:0 :0

Or Daily Star

It seems that his defense was that he was delusional and the proof of that was that he thought he was going to have a popstar career,but it was said by others that met himthat he had no discernible talent.
Sounds like an x-factor contestant.

I think they might have a bit of an agenda.

Sounds like an x-factor winner.

Have you seen his video?

He must have known the deal if he got caught. No sympathy for him. Hate china and all it stands for but hate drugs more.

sparkmaster. 30 Dec 13:24
I think they might have a bit of an agenda.

so what part are you questioning?

The travel? or the sexual thing?

;) ;)

What part of 'mental illness' don't you understand?

IF he was, then rationally thinking 'Ooh, China, I could be executed for this' would quite possibly not enter his head.

Why don't people get this?

Any and all of it. I thought he was British?

baracouda30 30 Dec 13:37


What part of 'mental illness' don't you understand?

IF he was, then rationally thinking 'Ooh, China, I could be executed for this' would quite possibly not enter his head.

Why don't people get this?

In that case all traffickers must be mentally ill.

sparkmaster. 30 Dec 13:39
Any and all of it. I thought he was British?

Owned sparky

According to a lengthy piece by Helen Pidd in the Guardian, Shaikhs life took a rather strange turn after his wife left him in 2001, including an accusation of sexual harassment in 2004.

http://trueslant.com/colinhorgan/2009/12/30/akmal-shaikh-guilty-execution-china-britain/

HTH

;) ;)

Is that all drugs An, or just those that are arbitrarily illegal?

Have you EVER read about a case where someone knew exactly what they were doing?
Every time they play the "I was duped/I'm mentally ill" card.
And to listen to Washington condemning the Chinese is nauseating.
Don't the yanks have one of the worst records when ot comes to executing minors?

not sure what being accused of sexual harrassment has to do with the case

didn't phil taylor get done for that?

maybe he should be executed too...

Canary

Ask Sparky it was him who questioned the information that I have placed on here.

This 'mentally ill' person seems very very resourceful

:0 :0

In 2001 Taylor was convicted of indecent assault, after an incident after a 1999 exhibition match in Scotland. Two women, aged 23 and 25, accompanied Taylor back to his motorhome after the event and later accused him of sexual assault. Taylor denied the charges but he was found guilty of indecent assault and fined £2,000.[12] As a result, his MBE nomination from the 2001 New Year's honours was cancelled and annulled in May 2002.[13]

No idea why I call luvvies luvvies they seem to love drug smugglers who provide their good to kids to make a fast buck

:( :(

A mentally ill person being resourceful?
Wow - unique in the annals of medical history.

This 'mentally ill' person seems very very resourceful

"Seemed" actually, they shoot drug dealers there, I wish we did

How so?

What does 'Owned Sparky' mean?

Lisa

Why do you like drug smugglers?

:( :(

Same question to you blackburn? Which drug dealers? Heinekin?

so sparky is the information that I have posted correct or incorrect?

Anytime today

anytime today

;)

If you want to rephrase the question into one which doesn't carry an erroneous supposition, feel free to try again.

If anyone would like to see the Guardian article the BNP take their info from, it's here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/28/akmal-shaikh-execution-china-mental-illness

Faily obvious he's not the full ticket. Ridiculous to execute such a man.

Akmal Shaikh's journey from a minicab business in north London to death row in a remote part of north-west China is a labyrinthine tale involving eastern European gangsters, harebrained business schemes and a dream of international pop stardom.

It began in Kentish Town, north London, where Shaikh lived with his British wife and children. The couple ran a cab firm called Teksi on Fortess Road, close to Kentish Town tube station, and life appeared to be good.

Shaikh's former solicitor, Bruce Hayim, told the Observer earlier this year that Shaikh was once a "charming and charismatic man" though the legal campaign group Reprieve insist he has "a lifelong history of very strange behaviour". His older brother, Akbar, said his sibling had shown signs of mental illness in 2001 after his first marriage had ended and "as he grew older he seemed to go off the rails". In 2004, he was accused of sexually harassing a female member of staff and ordered to pay £10,000 in unpaid wages and damages by an employment tribunal, according to his local paper, the Camden New Journal.

But in 2005 Shaikh's life started to unravel further. He suddenly packed his bags and left for Poland, says his brother, where he announced plans to set up an airline despite having no means to do so. Given his complete lack of money, business plan or experience in the aviation industry, the venture soon foundered, but he was undeterred.

Having turned his back on his family, he stayed on, sometimes sleeping rough, moving from Lublin in the east to the capital, Warsaw. At some point he acquired a girlfriend, who told the Observer she soon became concerned by his "really silly and crazy" behaviour, such as the time he sent her a fake letter purporting to show he had won £1m.

He then started a prolonged email campaign, sharing his delusions with celebrities and government officials he had never met, firing off endless dispatches typed in an enormous 72-point font. Hundreds of emails sent by Shaikh to the British embassy in Warsaw from 2005 reveal the state of his mind. In the messages, obtained by Reprieve, he claimed to have spoken to the angel Gabriel and explained that he could have foiled the July 7 bombings in 2005, had he only been allowed to hold a press conference. One email appeared to be a letter to Father Christmas.

Some messages were copied in to a group of 74 organisations and individuals, including Tony Blair, Sir Paul McCartney, George W Bush and the BBC programme Top Gear.

But among the nonsense contained in the emails was information Shaikh's lawyers claim proves he had become involved with criminals who took advantage of his vulnerability. One mentioned a character called Carlos, who was going to help Shaikh achieve his dream of making it big in the music industry. Carlos, wrote Shaikh, had excellent contacts, and he knew a producer in Kyrgyzstan who could help him fulfil his dream of becoming a pop star. Though Shaikh had no singing experience, and even less musical talent, he recorded a song, an off-key track in English, Arabic and Polish called Come Little Rabbit, which, according to Reprieve, he truly believed had the potential to bring about world peace.

Today, two men who helped Shaikh record the song said it was clear he was psychiatrically ill. Gareth Saunders, a British teacher and musician who sang back-up on the song, said, "he clearly thought this song was going to have a very positive impact on the world".

He added: "It would be totally unlike him to get mixed up in drugs. However, it would be totally typical of him to fall for some kind of story that some drug dealer might spin to him concerning making his record in China

You seem to support drug smugglers?

'Let them off'

:( :(

How so?

And what does 'Owned Sparky' mean?

Lisa, I'm a law abiding person and its legal to sell beer so no I wouldn't shoot someone who asked me out for a couple of pints.

I'm not sure whether your issue is capital punishment, executing retards or the fact that some drugs are illegal in some countries.

Thanks sparky so you admit that the information that i have posted was correct?

Thanks

;) ;)

No, I repeatedly ask two straightforward questions without getting an answer. One last time. How do you consider him resourceful, and what does 'owned Sparky' mean.

sparkmaster. 30 Dec 13:39
Any and all of it. I thought he was British?

But you posted the information that proved that the BNP articule was right

Thanks sparky

Owneage

;) ;)

NEXT

Three times. My work is done.

How do you consider him resourceful

Moved from Pakistan, to UK, then to the USA back to UK then to Poland then to China

Seems very resourceful to me

Owned a Taxi business and an estate agents

Seems he is more resourceful then most

HTH

;) ;)

diddums Lisa, Canary, Sparky

A drug smuggler has been caught

:) :)

I wonder if the kids in China stuck on Heroin could have the abillity to travel from one country to the next?

I dont think so

:( :(

Aah, he's worried about 'the kids'!

PMSL.

Only the racially pure ones though.

Any other decent articles in the Guardian that caught your eye Iwant ?

got a problem with chinese kids Barra?

Do you not like them?

:( :(

attitude adjuster cant say it is my favourite paper but always good to use them against luvvies.

Very effective

:) :)

Lisa, I'm a law abiding person and its legal to sell beer so no I wouldn't shoot someone who asked me out for a couple of pints.
I'm not sure whether your issue is capital punishment, executing retards or the fact that some drugs are illegal in some countries.

Yes I have an issue with capital punishment on the grounds of:
1. inhumanity
2. mistakes made
3. it isn't a deterrent
4. we're supposed to evolve as a species, not go backwards

As for the drugs, I can't be doing with the hypocrisy.
"Oh I hate drugs. They're ruining lives. They're killing our children. Yeah I'll have another pint please"

2000-2004 England and Wales
Deaths - alcohol and tobacco related - somewhere between 500,000 and 750,000
Deaths - all opiates of which heroin is just one - under 5000.

I also have an issue with the term ** (unless applied to many a poster on Betfair of course). It's an insult to the large minority of people in this country who will suffer some form of mental illness during the course of their lives.
By the way, if this bloke was "a**, then his awareness of what he was doing and the potential penalty may not have been secure.

Most of all I object to the sub-species of person who logs on here and seems to take delight in the death of another person, whoever that person is, (Davina McCall aside).

"Retards" is allowed apparently - the singular noun version isn't.

alcohol's not a drug, it's a drink

Yes I have an issue with capital punishment on the grounds of:
1. inhumanity
2. mistakes made
3. it isn't a deterrent
4. we're supposed to evolve as a species, not go backwards

1. it is inhuman for** to feed of kids
2. yes it was a mistake going to China with 4kg of heroin
3. oh yes it is, it will deter many western drug smugglers thinking of doing the same thing
4. correct, we should not be allowing drug smugglers who feed of kids to get away with it

In regards to your smoking, drinking issue not the same.

One is legal and one is not

HTH

;) ;)

Oh well, enjoy your pilgramage lisa, I've a feeling that sanctimony may hinder you however.

:^0

Good riddance to the drug smuggling low life,mentally ill my ass.

hmm

3 great responses there - brilliant.
I may have wasted 4 mins of my keyboard's life.

Today, two men who helped Shaikh record the song said it was clear he was psychiatrically ill. Gareth Saunders, a British teacher and musician who sang back-up on the song, said, "he clearly thought this song was going to have a very positive impact on the world".

Well this song has, strangely enough, has become pretty big news in this country at least.

The Chinese used as evidence that he had never once been seen or treated for any mental illness , and the only time it cropped up first was as a defence .

I wish I was as clever as lisa, she makes me see things in a different way

I wish you were too. Keep reading my posts: you'll improve.

Thanks, anything else you'd like me to learn today, assuming you have the time to waste?

Nah - you've enough on your plate.