calling all smokers.

totally agree, go for it, you soon to be '' non smokers ''

good luck :)

Life is worth losing.

Thought you had some duty frees for sale :(

is tis a government sponsored thread?

I was going to wait to Jan 1st... then thought , feck it why wait.

Would love to pack it in...its not as easy as non-smokers think...yeah yeah i know......
"i was smoking 50 a day and i packed it.....etc etc....

its an addiction...and they dont go away easily....

do you get a buzz/kick from a fag? - YES (wel I did)
how much a week is this waste of space costing? - it was costing £40-50
is it cool to go outside in sub zero temperatures to smoke? - LITERALLY? YES

I gave at the end of Jan this year. Very pleased I did and feel good and richer for it.

However, I am not a smug oppressor and if people want to smoke it's up to them. i am agianst the discrimination that smokers face these days. Smokers are simply a minority that society deems ok to oppress since racism went out of fashion.

One form of intolerance is as bad as another imho.

Very well said Red.

Got to be the**heads turn soon

Good post redrich.

Ive lost 3 close friends in the past month all before 1 of them was a smoker ,does it really matter ?

mitchell - bloody hell, we're getting onok these days! It must be the silly season! :-)

I would never advise people to start smoking it is without doubt a horrible habit ,I enjoy smoking End Of ,as for the financial side I dont
go to pubs anymore ,or very rarely tell me whos quids in £3 for a pint £4.5 for a short and mixer to sit with a load of miserable**s
not for me:-)

good luck to those who give up smoking this year, you'll be doing the right thing I promise. My family have suffered horribly, truly horribly because of addiction to cigarettes, including us who are left behind. should be banned full stop.

Casemoney, I'd never promote smoking either - but I love it and have no intention of ever stopping.

I've been unable (through personal circumstances) to go to pubs for quite a few years until recently, but (just for instance) yesterday I was in town and really fancied celebrating a bit of good news and having a drink.

It was raining and cold.

Did I really want to buy a drink and then go outside in those conditions to have a smoke (which is just 'natural' to a smoker having a pint)?

No.

So I didn't.

Result = landlord's loss of profit.

what's profit if it saves a loved one's life?

KL very sorry to hear that ,but their are certain people in life who once started will not stop untill death ,without smoking stress would probably take me out ,the age for smoking should be raised to 21 .
Banning smoking totally would only lead to a blackmarket ,I have
lost so many family friends over the past few years most before their
time ,that im losing count ,most of them were non smokers ..

King Louis, I'm sorry for your personal circumstances, but there's far more to the 'smoking debate' than there appears to be at the offset.

TT if u go to the boozer in the summer u get accosted by nutters
when ur outside smoking ,cant relax when ur inside because u know u want a fag so its not worth going :-)

You leave smokers alone WIN ONLY smokers are the most selfless people I know they pay for the NHS even though they know they'll never get to use it.

you don't need to tell me that people will carry on until death mr case, i've seen it first hand too may times. and it's a terrible, truly horrifying death. i get dreadfully upset thinking about what we all went through over and over again even now.
i disagree totally with mr tommy. it's totally black and white the smoking debate. cigarettes are addictive, they bring in billions of pounds to the treasury, they cost billions of pounds to the NHS, and they kill people, robbing husbands of wives and children of mothers every day.

so does drink KL

yes it does. doesn't make smoking any better though does it.

Casemoney, totally agree with your post @1:16

I've had so many people lately wanting me to go out for a drink with them and I keep replying: "NO!", not intentionally, but the thought of spending a shed load of dosh to sit outside in the rain and cold appeals not a jot.

What I'm saying KL is that we can't ban everything. Not saying that smoking is any better.

King Louis, there are many dreadful, horrifying deaths.
Because of personal circumstances you can't rate one above another and castigate a whole load of people.
It's far more complicated than that.

Cant agree with u more KL ,met a lady today her husband had a
massive heart attack ,he was actually found sitting on some steps with a cig in his mouth he had been their all night ,he was 40, the lady
said they think he felt ill and sat down to light a cig up ,big fella 6 foot 3 and and built ,maybe there were other health problems ,I looked at his 2 youngest kids nearly broke down ,xmas songs playing on the Tv ..


Im off to watch the NFL hopefully not my last game ..

redrich 18 Dec 00:59
mitchell - bloody hell, we're getting onok these days! It must be the silly season! :-)


lol, as a smoker who is happy to continue smoking, and having sympathy for the giver uppers I can appreciate your post. Wel worded.

Tobacco, drink, fast food

all of the above contribute to some tragic deaths

Before you say 'fast food is not addictive' - it is!

of course you can't ban everything mr redrich I agree, but cigarettes are just awful in the most literal sense of the word. The suffering they cause is so widespread I shouldn't imagine anything else comes close to it in this country.

MD :x

Drink is the worst one according to my missus (who is a hospital doctor). I'll need to check the stats though....

of course excessive drinking takes a terrible toll on families too, but this is not really an argument in favour of smoking.

not saying it is KL. We're going in circles. What I'm saying is - is that if you ban it completely, you'd set a precident to ban a lot more things

plus, as prohibition taught us, a law that is not obeyed by the majority is not viable one.

I would never encourage smoking. My parents discouraged me but I stll fell into the trap eventually anyway. Now I've stopped for good but I don't want to tell others how to live their lives.

Tommy Toes 18 Dec 01:27


King Louis, there are many dreadful, horrifying deaths.
Because of personal circumstances you can't rate one above another and castigate a whole load of people.
It's far more complicated than that.



Where did I castigate a whole load of people? I'm hardly likely to castigate smokers am I. There is NOBODY on here who knows more about the effects smoking has on a family and how hard it is to give up, even when it is plainly killing you and loved ones are begging, crying with someone to give up. And it's not in the leat bit complicated, don't know what you're talking about.

Mr R. if smoking was banned tomorrow i totally agree with you that many many people would find a way to obtain cigarettes somehow. But many wouldn't, they'd eventually give up.

Okay, King Louis.
You're obviously someone who has great demons about something that has happened to you personally and can only think of 'banning' that problem (to you) as an ultimate goal.

I have a far different view of such things, but each to their own.

I will never tire of telling people to give up smoking. I know I am not likely to convince anybody on a forum, but I can and have in person. just one giving up is worth it to me.

KL - are you aware at the percentages of young people that have smoked canabis? Suprisingly high considering that it's illegal.

where did i castigate a whole load of people then?

...and always has been

King Louis, you've castigated smokers - roughly one third of the population of the UK!

I have not castigated smokers! I don't think youre really reading anything I have written TT.

Dearie me. I really think we are talking at cross purposes here King Louis.
I'll leave you to carry on with your 'mission'.
It may work for some, but bellieve me, it won't have any effect on some of us.

i will carry on Tommy. and i sincerely wish neither you nor any of your loved ones ever have to face down the demons (as you so kindly termed them) that have stared at me.

Good luck King Louis.

And I sincerely hope you never have face down the demons which have stared at me.

which ones are they? you know mine.

I very much doubt you'd understand them, King Louis.

I'm not one for publically displaying tough times in life, but, belkeve me, they happen to everyone.

You just have to get on with them and life - and not preach to others.

*believe

You don't know I wouldn't understand them Tommy. I may be old and a bit frail but I'm an educated man. And I really have seen an awful lot in my time.

Yes, well good for you, King Louis.
I'll bid you goodnight - as I have no desire to share my personal circumstances with you.
No offence.

okay. goodnight to you too.

King Louis 18 Dec 01:30
of course you can't ban everything mr redrich I agree, but cigarettes are just awful in the most literal sense of the word. The suffering they cause is so widespread I shouldn't imagine anything else comes close to it in this country.


I wouldn't be too sure of that. I've been on fora where people in their 20s to 30s detest smoking but are quite happy to admit to snorting or taking illegal drugs.

I've yet to see a mugger arrested and it says in the court papers ' He beat up that od lady for the money to buy a pack of cigarettes'.

As smokers are in a minority, are there more smokers than drinkers who require NHS treatment ?

If the smoker has worked all his life and paid enormous amounts of tax for his habit, why should a non-smoker who pays less tax be treated before him ?

Do indigenous non-smokers like the non-smoking immigrants who have been here 5 minutes and get NHS treatment, despite not paying anything into the system.

I'm going to have a cigar now, you non smokers should wait outside this thread or a while, just like you never went to pubs when smoking was allowed.

Hang on you non-smokers DID go to pubs 'you, AND there were smokers in there.

Yet, despite the danger to your health, and the smell you all moan about, you still went in for your ** of alcohol.

What a sad bunch of alcoholics you non-smokers are.

STAND CLEAR, I''M LIGHTING UP.

i shall be trying again. i wish to God i could give them up, it's a dreadful vile habit which is a blight on society. anyone who says otherwise is in denial.
best wishes to you KL. i know smoking upsets children and i'm ashamed. it's the addiction of course. really will try hard this jan 1st.

Freedom From Addiction - Joe Griffin

is it cool to go outside in sub zero temperatures to smoke?


Great opportunity for chick chatting outside the pub. You already have something in common so you're on your way.

King Louis 18 Dec 01:12
what's profit if it saves a loved one's life?

Nobody loves me, is it all right if I smoke?

As it happens, I gave it up before I was 20 but only because I didn't think I was quite as fit as I could be. Presumably, now that I'm a non-smoker, I'm going to live forever?

ive used 4 of my 9 lives. i am a smoker and respect my life. lifes pleasures are few .i ll go my own way, killing myself softly... but in the words of the government, thankfully.

Saw my mum wearing an oxygen mask in hospital doctor said it was a combination of an accumulation of birthdays and smoking catching up with her. Pretty powerful when you see someone you love. Having tried patches, self help books, hypnotism, stop smoking courses non of which worked quietly confident I havew nonsmoked my last slk cut.

Good luck all with your resolutions

now smoked last

^good luck

Just finished a cigar

lovely