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The murder of Kelly was authorised by Blair.
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cheerio popup - thanks for your contribution ;)
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It's a disgrace that the PM has the power to wage war alone.
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his day will come
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Agree completely. Its really interesting how many millions have poured into Blair´s ´foundation´ from big business recently...
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instant karma gonna get him,knock him on the head
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positivelyforthestreet...............what a relief to hear somebody say the very things i think - Blair is definitely a c vnt of the highest order - moreover he's now openly admitting to what we all knew anyway........they just wanted a war whatever it took- GREAT
Britain ??? Oh most definitely NOT any more thanks to BLOODY LIAR |
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should be jailed imo
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ridiculous thread imo
all politicians lie, fact. Political expediency dictates their actions, and the fact is that Saddam needed to be got rid of... the real crime was that they didn't depose hime first time round but instead let him carrying on his brutal regime for another ten years. |
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I suspect he's sincere in his desire to get rid of saddam, which is why he went to so much trouble imagining WMD and misleading parliament. Such corruption should lead to criminal charges, athough I suppose that's a bit irrelevant given the penalty for waging an aggressive war.
I like that he makes the complete non-point that Iraq is better-off without Saddam. Is it better off, are WE better off without the thousands of thers who died in this charade? Are we better off for the deaths of all those who've died at the hands of extremists, convinced by this illegal war that the West are tyrants with no respect for international law and the rights of nations and their peoples? |
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Tevez is God
Is that the same brutal regime that is found in nearly every part of the globe? Pratically every African country is just as bad, people starving in their millions whilst the leaders are flying around the world in their Jets, Central America and the death squads, wasn't it just in the news about Brazil i think and the number of people murdered by the police recently is at an obscene number. The fact is that Blair took this country into an illegal war that has resulted in millions of innocent Iraqis murdered, let alone all the British troops and the troops of other countries that are present. For what? to get rid of one man? one man that we have been supplying with weapons incl the chemical weapons he used on the kurds in the first place. The billions of pounds this country has spent on this has had to be found somewhere hasn't it? Thats right who do you think has paid for this atrocity - the good ol bottomless pit (you can always get as much as you want) that is the taxpayer of this country. At any other time in History the man would be indicted and sentanced as a war criminal, but since as its this country he will probaley get a knighthood. |
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Tevez....Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view......................FFS!!!!
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terry mccann 12 Dec 16:30
the bombs used on the first night of bombing were full of nails despite blair and co knowing they were being used on woman and children-thats a total disgrace for staters Pray tell, where on earth did you get that piece of info from ? |
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Can't speak for the second go at Saddam but I was there for the first one...I was an armourer and part of my job was building bombs to hang underneath the Tornadoes...no fkn nails in 1000 pound LGB's I can assure you...nearest thing to nails that I saw was a line of Kuwaiti aircraft loaded up with ex Vietnam era stock...daisycutters they used to call 'em cos they detonate just above ground and slice up anything in their path (including daisies).
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Tevez is God 12 Dec 20:48
ridiculous thread imo all politicians lie, fact. Political expediency dictates their actions, and the fact is that Saddam needed to be got rid of... the real crime was that they didn't depose hime first time round but instead let him carrying on his brutal regime for another ten years. Isn't it an offence of some kind to lie in front of parliament ? I know that lots of ministers have resigned ( Profumo ? ) not for what they did but for lying about it in the House of Commons. Saddam was powerless since the first Gulf War .......... the west flew regularly over Iraqi airspace. His worst actions dated back to before the first Gulf War. Blair decided it was worth the lives of countless innocent people to depose Saddam. Blair probably thought the invasion and the aftermath would be welcomed by the Iraqis. The only other Blair initiative I remember was that of the police marching 'yobs' who had committed some minor street crime to the nearest cashpoint whereupon they would hand over the money to pay an onthespot fine. Something even the police could see was unworkable. |
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yes, I probably should have it was a naive thread as opposed to ridiculous.
As far as your the priest's point goes, many of the other places where such atrocities are committed (and which I would also condemn) don't control vast oil supplies. I'm not saying blair was right or wrong, but I think there are plenty on this thread who are pillorying him simply because they have an irrational and hysterical hatred, no doubt tabloid-fuelled, of Labour. Were they so vociferous when thatcher ordered the sinking of the belgrano which was outside the exclusion zone and heading away from it? My point is that all politicians lie, or if you prefer, power corrupts etc. ... |
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Tevez, if I may...
Yes all politicians lie...they're people, neither perfectly good nor perfectly bad. The power corrupts quote is IMO more interesting. Blair, when orchestrating the war, was in a staggering position of power - not only was his party enjoting unheard of electoral success, but within his party he was (IMO rightly) regarded as being responsbile for this. For me, the Iraq war seems to be the actions of a man who believes himself above the views of those he represents, hence the lies. |
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Tevez, if I may...
Yes all politicians lie...they're people, neither perfectly good nor perfectly bad. The power corrupts quote is IMO more interesting. Blair, when orchestrating the war, was in a staggering position of power - not only was his party enjoting unheard of electoral success, but within his party he was (IMO rightly) regarded as being responsbile for this. For me, the Iraq war seems to be the actions of a man who believes himself above the views of those he represents, hence the lies. |
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he should be tried for war crimes and for manslaughter.. him and brown are directly responsible for the outing of doctor david kelly and his subsequent 'suicide'
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It's a disgrace that the PM has the power to wage war alone.- Not anymore Brown has changed the law, it now needs parliment to agree.
We were right to go in and kick out a murdering tyrant, Saddam was evil. What I dont agree with is that low life Blair lieing about it, he knew full well that there werent any WMD, he should be put on trial. |
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Churchill claimed Hitler had WMD for years and campaigned to go to war only to find in 39 that Hitler didn't have WMD.History repeating itself.Now we're being told Iran is a threat and no doubt there'll be a war there.
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Tevez is God 13 Dec 01:03
yes, I probably should have it was a naive thread as opposed to ridiculous. As far as your the priest's point goes, many of the other places where such atrocities are committed (and which I would also condemn) don't control vast oil supplies. I'm not saying blair was right or wrong, but I think there are plenty on this thread who are pillorying him simply because they have an irrational and hysterical hatred, no doubt tabloid-fuelled, of Labour. Were they so vociferous when thatcher ordered the sinking of the belgrano which was outside the exclusion zone and heading away from it? My point is that all politicians lie, or if you prefer, power corrupts etc. ... I am not shocked at what he did nor do I expect an apology from him. I just think he is a c.unt - don't she how that is naive tbh. I am naive in so much as I don't know for sure what the reason for going there was - I don't inhabit the corridors of power so have to just work out what goes on there via papers, tv, internet or just people down the pub. Trouble is so many people are so sure they know the reason why he went to iraq (just look at this thread for starters) you'd think they were tony blair themselves, as far as I can see it could be: a) Oil b) So iraq could be re built after the bombings with US/UK companies getting the contracts c) To spread democracy and depose a tyrant d) Because blair was bush's poodle, and didn't havethe b.ollox to stand up to him e) Something to do with israel and palestine and all that b.ollox to give the west a furter foothold in m.east f) A genuine fear of WMD and what he could do with them. f is the reason given though, and c was achieved, well nearly. Why do people often think if you hate blair you must read the sun (which backed blair for a long long time) and be a mad thatcherite tory. I don't have an opinion on the belgrano and thatcher because she was in charge when i was from the age of 1yo to 12yo. So though I grew up with her I wasn't exactly a political heavyweight and dont know too much about what she did. Down south I know there are a lot of people who stick up for her - reckon she was right. Have barely met a northerner who didn't hate her with a passion. As far as I can see you had a pretty simple choice - capitalist tory thatcher or socialist labour kinnock. Then that c.unt blair came along and the choice was capitalist tory major or capitalist tory blair. I'm sure he didn't have to do that, he was bound to get in in 1997 without creating all this new labour b,.ollox. |
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Quick myth buster.Arabs don't own oil.Oil companies own oil.They pay arabs royalties.
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Quick myth buster. Arabs own oil. Oil companies pay them to drill for it.
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John Paul Getty explored for oil for ten years in the 1950s before striking it good.
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Even in Australia Auratralians don't own oil.Oil companies own it.They pay royalties-and not much!
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Tony Blair is by far the best Prime Minister this country has ever had
Idiots on here would happily have Saddam in charge, pinging bombs at Israel for kicks |
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Of course instead of Israel/UK/USA going for the odd bombing raid on Iraq.That's ok because they're democracies.
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It was obvious (with hindsight ) that Blair hid a hidden agenda when he carried on with his intention of war and changed his reasons from
1. WMD which could strike within 45 minutes. The inferrence being that they could strike here. When that was shown to be not true 2. The possession of WMD. and when that was shown to be not true it became 3. WMD programmes The first time he mentions WMD programmes in public he almost mumbles the " programmes" bit as even he seemes embarressed to say it. |
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How many times did Saddam bomb Israel?
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that's what i was thinking sparky.
He brought an end to boom and bust though and finally achieved total peace in the middle east. |
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He bombed Israel 29 times.How many time did Iraq get bombed? Who knows.
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Blair,Brown and Bush have the blood of every man,woman and child that have had there blood spilled in this war(not conflict as they call it)that doeasnt include all the soldiers who have died as well.
How they can sleep i do not know????? They are nothing but WAR CRIMINALS |
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monsieur p 13 Dec 10:38
Tony Blair is by far the best Prime Minister this country has ever had ??????????????? |
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I think Blair is very aware of the blood on his hands caused by his lies and arrogance. He has aged so much and acquired the haunted look of a very guilty man.
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wasn't there a rumour about a few attempted suicides that might have caused his demeanour
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1.Foreign policy has to be to do what is right IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY.
Sorting out Iraq was not in our best interests imo. 2. Blair assured us that there were weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them to Israel - which if true could (just) be a valid reason to go in- if you stretch a point or two. Well- there weren't - so why didn't Blair resign? He was quite happy to have his ministers resign when a mistake was made in their respective ministries- so why the double standards- both he and Bush should be ashamed of themselves - but less so Bush who at least had the excuse of Daddy wanting him to go and finish it 10 years later. Anyone who voted for Blair last time has been exceedingly misguided - very, very stupid. And thats all i have to say about that. ( A la Forest Gump) |
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You are so right, larry grayson.
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I've heard people say that he's very clever and shrewd getting out when he did, making loads of money doing speeches and that.
So what. He'll have loads of money, everyone hates him and then he dies. Fkin nice one blair. |
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positively4th:
you say it takes a lot for you to be ashamed of this country.... I'm not ashamed of us- just think this was a wrong call-i t#do think Blair is a disgrace tho- i'm ashamed of him. If you want something to feel ashamed about just remember that the Brits as a nation were the biggest drug peddlers in history - i.e. opium to the chinese very lucrative trade indeed- much more so than slavery- both of which were morally unconscionable - but entirely consistent with a good foreign policy , being in our best economic interests. Dont be ashamed of Britain because of Blairs misguided call - but be ashamed of him- and of those who voted him in afterwards . |