SPOT THE DIFFERENCE

1.01 the majority of replies to this thread are from people calling you a racist for daring to say such a thing.

Not sure what you're asking?

Unbeatable round the X-Country course imo

It's quite a simple question, Sparky.

Yourself, among others, reckon that poverty is a major cause of crime.

In areas like Newham, one of the poorest, if not the poorest, borough in London, crime takes place more than in Kensington.

Caused by poverty you see, comparison of poor borough, rich borough.

If there are twice as many Immigrants as there are White English, and everybody is poor, should it not follow that for every 3 crimes committed, one is committed by a White English criminal, while the other two are committed by immigrants ?

A 1:2 ratio.

Won't be back for a while as racing is about to start.

So English people are less likely to commit crimes than non English people?
I'm glad I live in England :)

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For using facts to back up an argument.

No, as not everyone in the borough is poor. When I researched this (well over a decade ago), amongst the poor the crime rates were substantially higher for white people in poverty than for non-whites, which is entirely understandable as a white person would feel far more desperate in such circumstances than a recent immigrant.

That's not to say gang/gun culture isn't also a factor today.

The truth always muddies the waters for the luvvies.

It's a familiar refrain, but unfortunately, BC, your logic relies upon a false syllogism.

The link between crime and poverty has been well recognised for a long time, but you need to be precise about your definition of key terms and apply them with a degree of intellectual rigour. A good example of the pitfalls of the lax use of language would be the misuse of the term 'luvvies' on this thread - it has a very specific meaning that has no place here.

So, sharpen it all up, otherwise you might look like a daft old racist, and that would never do.

Jimbo747 07 Dec 12:23


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sparkmaster. 07 Dec 12:25
No, as not everyone in the borough is poor. When I researched this (well over a decade ago), amongst the poor the crime rates were substantially higher for white people in poverty than for non-whites, which is entirely understandable as a white person would feel far more desperate in such circumstances than a recent immigrant.

Times have certainly changed then.

The reporting of serious crime from the Newham Recorder has been undertaken before on the politics forum.

This time it started about 6 weeks ago, and with each crime was a link showing the thing you love most, the

The market was open yesterday, only 13 traders traded, in the end aisle a bloke selling toys, his was the only shop open in that isle, he challenged three youths who stole some toys, he chased them off, six came back & attacked him with an iron bar, he is in hospital, welcome to the sh!thole that is Newham.

And the last word from 'sap' to me, on a different thread, was that he wasn't surprised that Griffin was going to go for the Barking seat against Hodge, as Barking is, and I quote, 'infested with BNP supporters'.

I informed him that the population of Barking, despite ie being next door to Newham, is 78% white, and that the BNP are 7/2 to get in, and that he have his life savings on if he is so sure.

To the best of my knowledge, there has been no reply.

fing hell thats grim

No Capt F, that's normal.

sorry BC i meant the toy trader

I dident open yesterday
The shopping hall opens the three sundays before Xmas, I only do the last two, I am thinkink if I should give it a miss this coming sunday tbh :(
I close about 4.30 in the winter, I really dont want to be there when it gets dark tbh.

You need a Minder in that shop.

Petrol expenses included :)

FFS

I didn't type all that to watch it sink.

Did you hit an iceberg ?

Has anyone called Big Charlie a racist yet?

The worst I have ever called him is lightweight.

I have been looking over my shoulder evder since !

Are you going to do a new study now Sparky ?

I've already started!

I wish someone would do a study on manners in Newham

Please 10%
Thank you 15 %
Silence 80+%

30 years in the shop next year & most probably my last, my dad would be turning in his grave !

Where Spaerky ?

Stoke, Chester, Winchester or Carlisle perhaps.

From what I read on here these are 4 places where supporters of mass immigration tend to live.

You can guess how many of the population are immigrants.

SO19, the old C019, are the 550 strong armed response police for London, and they reported the other week on the BBC programme, that victims of gun crime in London are 50% black, and that the perpetrators are 70% black.

Operation Trident, along with S019, must cost the taxpayers a fortune.

I assume in this instance, and from reading, that black means black, not asians.

You don't get these sort of crimes in the 4 places named above.

Get a stall in Romford Market, Pumpy.

I'm here, if that helps.

I don;t support mass immigration though, without some effort to determine usefulness/need/acceptance of British values though.

charlie..........have you ever tried driving a bloody hgv in fenland?.................its like driving in legoland!

charlie.....you run the risk of being put in my gang!.......the bigots r us!...............every time i make any sort of pro british comment...im told that im a disgusting bigot!

I don't have that problem, I really likie the Brits. Best country on earth IMO.

Has anyone called Big Charlie a racist yet?

Who would dare to ?

Nobody....apparently.

New Primark opened today in East Ham
second largest in ther country, totally mobbed in there
paradise for the pickpockets, if I was doing a spread on thefts in there today spread would be 45-50
I would be a buyer :(

sparkmaster. 08 Dec 01:53
Has anyone called Big Charlie a racist yet?


I think a racist is someone who hates all of a particular race. I'm sure Charlie doesn't as indeed I don't. People misuse the R word all the time.

I know Malaysia pretty well.

Malaysian citizens are worried about burglaries and street crime - and blame the higher instances of this - quite rightly- on the poorer Indonesians who have come across en masse to work as labourers and have lost their jobs due to the building recession .

At one time there were an estimated 500,000 illegal indonisian immigrants in Malaysia - a not dissimilar total population to the UK - 55million .


UK is not an isolated example.

lmfao - you can't come on here

it's a smoking thread.

Mitchell Downie, my post was in relation to

Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag 07 Dec 12:03

1.01 the majority of replies to this thread are from people calling you a racist for daring to say such a thing.

GUBBED!

Does that mean I am being ignored as I have posted facts, not speculation ?

Good stuff.

:)

1.01 there would have been those replies had I not posted that immediately underneath BCs post tho.

It could be a good thread, people are afraid to say what they think though...

GL folks I'm off to get me 'air cut innit.

Viz top tip:

Racists. Convince people you are not racist by saying 'im not a racist but...' before saying something racist.

I've got no twin brother.

My twin brother told me to say that as it convinces people I have no brother...

so the racists say they are not racists & the one's that are not racists dont say anything.
Almost anything spoken on this broader subject could be construed by someone that it has racial undertones.

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What colour was the 'man' that raped the 12yo schoolgirl in the last few days?

Genuine question as I don't know the answer.

Hi Big Charlie. I loved that "Welcome to Newham 2012 thread. Thanks for posting what happened.

Why do BF pull threads when it doesn't break their rules (as posted on forum home page)? If people don't like free speech - f**k off!

Lets not forget the neighbouring s**tholes of Redbridge & Waltham Forest

Remind me, what colour were Fred West and Harold Shipman?

Shrew D. From today's London News

The rapist is described as black, aged in his teens with a tattoo on his right hand and riding a yellow bike.

Shrew D 09 Dec 17:57
What colour was the 'man' that raped the 12yo schoolgirl in the last few days?

Genuine question as I don't know the answer.




I will get caught in the net then.
The girl was 12 is the colour of the rapist the slightest bit relevent in this !

FENLAND CITIZEN
ALL the crime this week

ATM gang appeal against their sentences

Burglars steal kids xmas presents.

surely a push bike was nicked somewhere?

From today's Hull Daily Mail.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Family-s-fury-teen-killers/article-1588293-detail/article.html

The brother of a man callously murdered in cold blood never got chance to tell him he was going to be an uncle.

Bret Atkins and Carl Marshall, both 19, have been locked up for life for the murder and robbery of Simon Ash, 35, and the attack on war hero John Potts in the early hours of April 7 in Hull.


http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/men-court-Beverley-Road-stabbing/article-1590723-detail/article.html

Wednesday, December 09, 2009, 17:49
Three men have appeared in court charged with the attempted murder of a man in Hull.

The 45-year-old man was allegedy stabbed during a fight in Beverley Road during the early hours of Sunday morning.

Gavin Aldridge, 23, of Stroud Crescent, Bransholme, Michael Towse, 21, of De La Pole Avenue, west Hull, and Mark Hewson, 26, of Hampstead Court, appeared at Hull Magistrates' Court this morning.

They were remanded in custody and will appear at Hull Crown Court next week.



Violent crime, from a city with hardly any immigrants

Thank your lucky stars they haven't got any or the crime stats for Hull would increase .(NAP)

Veck 09 Dec 17:57
Why do BF pull threads when it doesn't break their rules (as posted on forum home page)? If people don't like free speech - f**k off!

Lets not forget the neighbouring s**tholes of Redbridge & Waltham Forest

As explained, BF mods do not monitor the fora, it says so in the terms and conditions of posting. They rely on 'customers' as they call them, to make contact.

The whole of the Newham thread was fact, all backed up by interent links to the newspaper itself. Why do you think 'sap' never came back to the thread ?

Pusscat and sap don't like to be made to look stupid, so one of them, my moneys on pussycat, reported the thread for a trivial reason. The moderator didn't like the truth either, so it got pulled after sitting there for a month.

Sometime during the last week or so pussyclart has vanished, no doubt to change her ID to something we won't recognise and the abuse will continue as normal upon her return. even more so if the painters are in.

Can't get the Recorder till 6pm. What's the good news this week Big C.?

Personally I found Redbridge much less of a " sh!thole" than the other two boroughs mentioned above.

Panglima. Why are you going to get caught in the net? Do you have yellow bike or a tattoo on your hand?

I think my eleventh atttooo looks rather fetching tbh.

Thiese are the only two new stories this week, all the others are repeats of previous crimes

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A GANG of muggers armed with bottles targeted Tube and bus passengers during a night of crime after the Notting Hill Carnival, a court heard.

The group boarded a train at Oxford Circus before attacking Revanth Katakamsetti and his friends, jurors were told.

Mr Katakamsetti said he was slapped in the face and his £200 mobile phone snatched from his pocket.

The youths went on the rampage as they travelled on the Bakerloo and Central lines, it was claimed. Up to a dozen alleged victims were said to have been attacked.

Eight 17 to 19-year-olds, most from Newham, are accused of conspiracy to rob.

Mr Katakamsetti told Snaresbrook Crown Court: "They had beer bottles...they were playing around with them trying to intimidate us.'' He said his friend Keshava Sanam was kicked on the chest and shoulder by one thug. Mr Sanam tried to shield Mr Katakamsetti and another pal, Narender Booragadda, the court heard.

Prosecutor Catherine Pattison said the accused were part of a gang who went to the carnival in August, 2008. "On their way home, they proceeded to rob several members of the public who were travelling on the Underground and also some on a bus,'' she claimed.

Jurors heard the group were captured on CCTV at stations but there was no footage of the attacks inside the carriages. Gang members also picked on passengers on a bus in Bethnal Green, the court was told.

Gasconi Lingomba, 18, of Dukes Court, Barking Road; Lekan Awoskia, 19, of Eversleigh Road, both East Ham; a 17-year-old from West Ham; Katakyie Addae-Kodua, 18, of Chaucer Road, West Ham; Earl Webb, 18, of Holbrook Road, Plaistow; Fhazio Mulwinda, 19, of Henniker Point, Leytonstone Road; Julian Mathangana, 18, of Coronation Court, Hamfrith Road, both Stratford, and Reece Gray, 18, of Dagenham, deny the charge. The trial continues

I'll assume that they are black by their names...

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TWO muggers who fed their gambling addiction with a string of robberies netting several hundred pounds have been jailed indefinitely.

Mohammed Johnson, 21, of Formunt Close, Canning Town, and Ade Odeyemi, 24, terrified victims into revealing their personal identification numbers (PINs).

Giving indeterminate sentences, Judge William Kennedy said Odeyemi and Johnson posed "a significant risk to the public of serious harm". Odeyemi must serve at least five-and-a-half years and Johnson a minimum of three years and nine months before being considered for release.

Johnson, admitted four counts of robbery, kidnap, two counts of theft and false imprisonment. Odeyemi, of Water Lane, Purfleet, Essex, admitted five counts of robbery and aggravated burglary. They first struck on October 2 last year when they got into a tower block lift in Barking Road, Canning Town, with residents Danny Gomes and Alexander Da Costa, Snaresbrook Crown heard. Odeyemi threatened to burn Mr Gomes' eyes out, while Johnson brandished what the men believed to be a blade, the court heard. Mr Gomes and Mr Da Costa were robbed of cash and valuables and gave their PINs before being held hostage as Johnson drained their bank accounts.

Six days later, Odeyemi and an unknown thug attacked Vijith Muppala in Southend Road, East Ham, as he went home from a temple. He was punched and threatened with being stabbed before he gave his PIN.

The next day, Odeyemi and Johnson attacked Anwar Hossain in Rounton Road, Bow, stole his lap top and punched him in the face before he gave them his PIN.

Three days later, Odeyemi and Johnson attacked Chinese student Sen Lin in the same area of Bow. Odeyemi warned Mr Lin he was going to jab him with a "fatal needle". Johnson went to a cash machine with Mr Lin's card and PIN number before the victim was dragged home where Odeyemi armed himself with a cleaver and carving knife from the kitchen. He burst into the bedroom of Mr Lin's married flatmates and demanded cash. The wife handed some over.

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6 weeks of Serious crimes = 50 offences
EU= 3
WE = 5
I = 42

This is all the crime on the Fenland Citizen website this week

Ruthless gang of light bulb thieves :)

THE chairman of the Chatteris Lights committee has spoken out about vandals destroying lights on the Christmas tree.
Chris Savill said 20 of the tiny one-watt light bulbs have been either stolen or broken since the lights were turned on just over a week ago.

"The lights aren't good for anything else," he said. "They don't give out much power. But these people nicking bulbs are costing the people of Chatteris their money."

The bulbs may be small but they are not cheap - each one costs around £2.50, a total of £50 to replace the 20 broken or missing ones.

That money comes from the bucket collections done at the switch-on by committee members.

The bucket collections, organised by CJ Savill around Chatteris on November 28, raised £144.57.

panglima 07 Dec 17:51
The market was open yesterday, only 13 traders traded, in the end aisle a bloke selling toys, his was the only shop open in that isle, he challenged three youths who stole some toys, he chased them off, six came back & attacked him with an iron bar, he is in hospital, welcome to the sh!thole that is Newham.



That was last Sunday

This Sunday the market is closed.

Could this Big Charlie be the same poster who, as TGM, proudly boasted that he had beaten up a youth who had petulantly insulted his wife by throwing a piece of pizza at her? Not at the time of the pizza throwing incident itself, but rather he went looking for him ie it was a pre-meditated attack.

Im not sure of his ethniticity, but according to his statistics chances are he's not white.

I remember that story. He was an eastern European, and he spat at her.

And his wife threw a drink at her, IIRC.
The can missed but the drink didn't, it went over her work uniform.
And they were in their mid 20s, abusive and drunk.

Well done Big Charlie, I say.

panglima
08 Dec 09 23:08
New Primark opened today in East Ham
second largest in ther country, totally mobbed in there
paradise for the pickpockets, if I was doing a spread on thefts in there today spread would be 45-50
I would be a buyer :(

Cleaned out in the recent riots, but not in the local rag as it's the Olympic Borough

what does I stand for ?

I'd do the same if someone spat at a chick I was with. Well done Sir!

Blimey the threads nearly 4 years old, brings back memories of how grim it was working in Newham the last 10 years I was there