WTF is that wierd light over norway?

WHERE DID THE FIRST EGG COME FROM,AND WHERE DID THE FIRST CHICKEN COME FROM,YOU DONT HEAR DAVID ATTINBOROUGH ANSWERING THAT QUESTION,WHEN HE SAYS THERES NO GOD

i agree punter, they have done well. but they are limited in ways that mainstream science does not want to address certain fundamental assumptions that all science is based on.

for example

we assume reality is objective and consistent and more importantly that humans have the capacity to perceive reality accurately. we base this on our 5 sense because these are all we know, however these are merely filters that the brain uses to interpret signals it receives. everything is really resonance, or vibration, whether sound, light or mass. we do not know if what we sense is the be all and end all.

we assume rational explanations exist for elements of the world we live in. perhaps reality is irrational?

the nature of something cannot be observed independently of the observation, so our understanding will always be limited by perception. even in science where we use various tools etc to measure stuff, perception still occurs.

^^^ that was in response to this

i think men's theories have done very well

Interesting stuff by Don...He KNOWS

I see you appear familair with "seth" or at least some of the more level headed LOA theories

never read it lol

started off challenging in my mind what the government tells us about what's going on. now challenging everything. tried to absorb as much mainstream science as possible and now it seems some of the more modern science theories by respected academics are also leaning in this direction. will check seth out because heard it mentioned before but never investigated

perhaps you can give me a snapshot of seth quickly here?

BonViv, a glimpse of vintage Seth............"You are like children with a game, and you think that the game is played by everyone. Physical life is not the rule. Identity and consciousness existed long before your earth was formed. You suppose that any personality must appear in physical terms. Consciousness is the force behind matter, and it forms many other realities besides the physical one. It is, again, your own viewpoint that is presently so limited that it seems to you that physical reality is the rule and mode of existence" --
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"You create your reality according to your beliefs and expectations, therefore you should examine these carefully. If you do not like some aspect of your world, then examine your own expectations"

Hi Don, I enjoy your postings, good stuff

n1. i had reached those conclusions anyway, but that is some nice succinct explanation, thx. :)

surely there must be a way to control my subconscious better - any info on that?

and thanks for the approval of my postings - you are the minority lol

s'pose i should head over to reading up everything i can on seth by the sound of it. i will do so.

Don, what other senses do you think is possible apart from flying?

if reality is mind driven than absolutely anything is possible.

the limits are the limits of your imagination, that is all

Here are the ones I would recommend to you Don

Roberts, Jane (1970). The Seth Material. reprinted (2001) New Awareness Network. ISBN 978-0971119802
Roberts, Jane and Robert F. Butts (1972). Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul. reprinted (1994) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 1-878424-07-6
Roberts, Jane (1974). The Nature of Personal Reality. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1994) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 1-878424-06-8

Roberts, Jane (1977). The "Unknown" Reality Vol. 1. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1997) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 978-1878424259

Roberts, Jane (1979). The "Unknown" Reality Vol. 2. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1997) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 978-1878424266

Roberts, Jane (1979). The Nature of the Psyche: Its Human Expression. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1996) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 978-1878424228

Roberts, Jane (1981). The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events. Prentice-Hall. reprinted (1994) Amber-Allen Publishing. ISBN 978-1878424211

Plenty there to grapple with. But you could read a lot with a simple Google of Seth books to get a taste.

Don

You could do worse than looking up the teachings of seth online,though i'd steer well clear of the mainstream b@stardization of it in things like "the secret"

As a guess i'd rate material by esther/jerry hicks ,loads of it on you tube)above most of the stuff out there.Can seriously turn your life around with basic tenets of creating your own reality and viewing objects as what they are (vibrational beings)

thanks mate i will get on it

Don, are you saying I can fly?

not that you can, just that theoretically you could.

thanks were to both boxing and bon btw :)

BonViv, good shout, I have to go but hope to catch up with you and don tomorrow/soon, gn.

g'night. thx for wading in here. perhaps i dont look so crazy to everyone else now :)

perhaps i dont look so crazy to everyone else now

Er, yes you do. hth

why ty :)

i suspect i only look crazy to those of more limited intelligence or heavily ingrained belief systems. just a thought.

perhaps i dont look so crazy to everyone else now

Er, yes you do. hth

In your opinion. To not question would be crazy imo.

The northern lights are in my mind they guide me back to you

Peace enfolds the still night air

I picked a bad day to give up glue sniffing

Now there is this pyramid flying over Moscow as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuanP2P41_I

nice find!

Spiral in Norway - Now compare that with THIS ancient art:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Paintings/Annunciation_Crivelli_Carlo_02.jpg

(Feast of the Immaculate Conception on Dec 8th.....which it still was in some of the world....)



Chicken or Egg though - did the painting predict the spiral or is someone trying to fulfil a prophecy? no coincidence Obama is in Norway ....

did the painting predict the spiral

maybe the painting was done by someone who understood universal principals to the extent that they could access any time in history visually (or maybe just specific times). given the understanding of reality given as an opinion in this thread, this would be because time does not really exist. everything is happening at the same time, and because there is no distance or time there can be no space either - everything at a single point. possibly anyway :)

or is someone trying to fulfil a prophecy?

yes. see comments i made on this thread earlier which punter asked me to not talk about any more.

no coincidence Obama is in Norway ....

lol. indeed.

in the big picture of things of what current powers that be want you to think, in due course when obama is ousted etc they want people to recognise him as a false prophet from within the bible. the great deceiver etc. they will say these lights etc are jesus returning to reclaim things and ensure the removal of the great deceiver.

Don seems shrewd

Time for a new messiah and obama looks like one of the fore runners for the job

no, obama is out. he is a decoy, so when he is removed people (the majority of conspiracy theorists, and the religious etc) think good has overcome evil. obama is to represent evil.

can't believe you have been spouting this drivel for so many hours on here

i recommend a w@nk next time - over faster, you'll feel better, and you'd have achieved more.

This is all good theorectically, but actually being faced with what you are talking about don, some ppl, if faced with the thought, would never WANT to get their head around it, never mind simply getting their head around it. If that makes any sense lol.

thx :)

doing other stuff at same time fyi.

pi$$ed off 'cos you've done your dough are ya?

you're quite right simon - and of course they are entitled to such decisions. nothing should be forced on anyone. in the future some will accept it and others wont and what becomes reality may diverge in this respect. if you get me ;)

we have been having an interesting discussion imho - to a degree that you probably won't find it many other places. if you dont like what you read mavis, dont read. perhaps your negative attitude is why you are losing, given that you create your own reality ;)

and what's your take on these lights then? the norway one and the russian one.

it is self evident that some people here do value my thoughts , and i am content with that.

its just a powerful light/laser thing, there was something similar here and it turned out to be a publicity stunt by a night club. not aliens.

I haven't checked out any of the links yet, it's all very intersting though. I have just touched on some of the subjects you talk about, as you will know, you read up on something which leads to something else and so on.

I try not to get too deep as it does have the potential to send u**ers. How deep do you wanna go down the rabbit hole I guess.

I started off questioning the government and the way things are set up in our culture. Puppets/puppet masters etc which leads you onto all sorts of subjects and questions. It's never ending!

indeed simon ! gl with whatever direction you go in mate :)

to the previous poster - im not sure anyone mentioned aliens anywhere on this thread - if you cna find that word please highlight it to me.

its just a powerful light/laser thing

what do you think prj bluebeam involves...

you to don, keep up the researching for the more lazy amongst us :)

Apologies for not reading the whole thread before I post this but it is a bit long.

In reply to an interesting discussion earlier between DW and pf, I would like to say a couple of things:

(Punterfleecer asked if there was any need to worship ´god´or anything...)
Many people who have problems with organised religion and the concept of god might nevertheless say that religion/worship does give people - especially the poorest people in developing countries - hope ...of something better, of a miracle, of God delivering them, of heaven, or whatever. In some small way faith brings succour to the dispossessed and those in need. I have probably said the same thing myself.

But what if, as Don said earlier, the very existence of not just organised religion and all that that entails, but the simple belief of a higher power ie a god acts as a pacifier to people who would otherwise come to recognise the unfairness of their situation and fight back...So in effect the agents of organised religion - popes, bishops, priests, ministers, etc etc - have acted throughout history as enforcers for ruling elites to exploit the masses...And when they would say ´it is God´s way´ or ´it is the will of God´what they really should have been saying is ´actually we have a nice cosy relationship with the supreme power and between you and me, if you step out of line they will destroy you...´. We would like to help you but our hands are tied...´

Re something Don said earlier about evolution possibly being nothing more than a product of our own collective subconscious...along with a concept of heaven and hell... and presumably the devil and evil and all that. Its an interesting theory for sure. By dishing out just the right balance of good and bad fortune a kind of Matrix like homeostasis is created.

I just have one problem with that. How could evolution, if its a product of the human collective subconscious, impact on the animal world. Or are you saying that every species also has a collective subconscious and we are all doing the same thing?

A bloke topped himself on here last night after bashing one out on a level crossing ,the blue light is a sign and warning to all betfairians ..
Sadly he the spirit seems to have got norway and finland mixed up ..

Other than that it was probably painted missiles ,nothing to worry about.

agree with your post.

Or are you saying that every species also has a collective subconscious and we are all doing the same thing?

a strong possibility. i would say we are unique though in that we are more in control of focussing our will and ahave a far greater potential to control our subconscious.

tbh im a little surprised we've had no religious people on this thread trying to convince us otherwise!

and btw - maybe do try reading the whole thread. i know it seems dauntingly long but to read it only really takes a few mins. number of pages is deceiving

anyone care to speculate re the russian pyramid!?

here it is again - a good find

ieff7 10 Dec 23:38


Now there is this pyramid flying over Moscow as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuanP2P41_I




and regarding that last response of mine - both ourselves, animals, and plants are "living things" after all. potentially they are part of the same subconscious as us i guess

please enlighten me don, i'd love to know what sports i have been losing on today.

gg

got no idea mavis. speculation based on the clear frustration oozing from your posts.

and i was talking about poker as it goes.

GG UL. not so wp :)

and i have been trying to enlighten you within the content of this thread if you care to read ;)

mavis sux cox

I was thinking what I would say if I was asked, as someone was earlier, what they thought the lights above Norway were...and tbh I was surprised how anyone believed anything, with so little clear info around and conflicting reports.

The conspiracy theorist in me would probably say that whatever the politicians decide is the official explanation is probably NOT true. But saying exactly what it was - apart from some friendly aliens looking in on their labrats - is harder to say with any certainty. Believing the official explanation is the easiest way. A bit like God really...

Its simply easier to believe in god - most likely as a bearded white fella - than it is not to. Its easier to assimilate into your new Alabama home. Its easier to get jobs. And its easier of course if it turns out there really is one.

But is it healthier? I used to say to people that it must be great to live, like so many, as Forrest Gump. To believe in God. To believe the official explanation for everything. To believe we really do live in a meritocracy. To have no knowledge whatsoever of global warming, pollution, cover-ups, assassinations, conspiracies, CIA covert ops, Bergerbild or whatever. Life must be bliss..

Or is it healthier to be a bug in the system? To question everything? To never accept anything at face value. To never trust anyone: politicians, businessmen, journalists or church leaders. To always look for alternative scenarios to official explanations. To suspect corruption everywhere. To believe in Big Brother and a police state. To wonder if your neighbour is really Stasi...

I ask myself that question sometimes.

ignorance is bliss

and a questioning mind can often send you mad as you process the reality that most of what you have been taught is not the truth

a fair point tip re health. go with the flow is better for the health i would suggest, unless you can achieve complete understanding of the universe in ways i suggested in this thread in which case you would be happy regardless.

re the lights - i think that "they" want us to question, and at this point they want us to not believe the official line. sort of reverse psychology - it just feels to me like they are trying to sell something. they want us to think it is something to do with god ie the man in the sky common understanding of god, or something to do with aliens. seems to me that they want us to believe that god is not a man with a white fluffy beard as you put it but actually an alien. seems like a new method of control to me - because that really would put the "fear of god" in people and make them fall into line.

re the line of thinking we've been discussing with regard to reality - perhaps the subconsicous desire of the masses IS for aliens to be god etc, and therefore that is what we are going to see within this reality, or at least forced to believe despite it not being true. perhaps this subconsicous desire started out within just a few people - or perhaps it was a conscious desire made by a small group in order to maintain control, and by planting seeds in the subconsicous of the masses through presenting such ideas within media to the masses, the desire has spread to a larger group of people. if this were true, the spread would gradually pick up speed until it became a reality via being the overwhelming subconsicous desire of the majority group consicousness.

i guess achieving understanding of everything is for the more strong minded of people, who are more likely to be able to cope and not go mad like you say

so i guess i think achieving understanding is something to aspire to, where possible, as it could create a greater state of bliss than that offered by ignorance

From what I've read, It's seems likely to be an Aurora (although some experts are saying it's not the Aurora Borealis). These are caused, apparently, by magnetic storms and are not uncommon in Northern regions at this time of year. Don't know much about the science, but they are connected with magnetic fields influenced by the rotation of the sun, hence the spiral shape.

seems plausible - but the aurora seen previously have never been symetrical or clear cut patterns ie like this spiral. and it doesnt really explain the beam of light that appears to reach from the centre of the spiral to the ground. also, aurora are usually flickering waves of light are they not rather than a seemingly static image. just playing devils advocate

i would agree magnetic fields are certainly changing, so it could explain why we would see something that seems unique. personally i think the changing magnetic fields of earth and the sun etc are in part responsible for our changing climate (not warming). but these changing fields could simply be a means to an end - the end being our subconscious collective desire (it wants climate change to occur maybe).

You could be right. I haven't looked into it that closely, and don't understand it that well, to be honest. Anyway, time for some kip, I think. G'night.

Its space monkeys,they need some bananas & they have to go to Norway to get them , hahahahahahahahahahaha pmsl I bet you believed that. :) lol

:D. Space monkeys eh? As good a theory as any, I reckon.

hehehe

I think animals are part of the collective consciousness fwiw.

plants too?

amoeba?

i suspect all living things do. what we recognise as brain capacity may well reflect the limit of a specie's development of access to the subconscious, and accordingly the limit of its contribution as an individual to the collective subconsciousness

perhaps being in able to control the reality in which we live, for all species, is what the "life force" really is. ie the apparent illusory lifeforce is greater in humans than in animals, which in turn have more than amoebas/plants etc. hence we see us as being more alive than plants etc

About the pyramid; can I just say that even with my fairly remedial technical film editing knowledge, that it is quite clearly faked. Even without that knowledge, this is the only documentation of something that supposedly happened over Kremlin square, no news reports, anything...just think of how well documented the Norwegian incident is.

fair comment

^I feel like I've let the thread down now tho! have thoroughly enjoyed yours and others comments here - I managed to get to the idea of collective consciousness as a higher concept myself, but some of the stuff here is a step beyond, and utterly fascinating.

D'you have any websites offhand that explain more about project blue beam? I'm finding an overriding thesis hard to come by.

no sorry cant really point you in any specific direction for that - it's been a long time since i looked bluebeam specifically.

the theories ive mentioned on that etc with regard to a overall thesis as you put it and re what they want to accomplish, what i expect to happen etc and re my overall theory of reality, i have not read anywhere else, they are my own, and the culmination of my investigation in to all manner of things of the passed x years. ive read all sorts of far out subjects, some of which i felt had an inkling of truth but were generally of base - i literally have removed all limitation on what i will consider no matter how taboo/marginalised/or seemingly crazy. condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance someone once said.

there is info to be gleaned everywhere you jsut have to put it together. i think im getting a fair picture in my mind, but it is always another ball game putting it into words. i think i am improving in this respect though and i guess this must be confirmation of my gradually increasing understanding.

glad you enjoyed reading. i enjoyed writing. helps me clarify things in my mind, and opposition and/or contribution from others is also of course helpful.

must go to bed. up at 8 again.

Think of the spiral in 3D. Look at it from the side viewpoint rather than the camera viewpoint. You can imagine the malfunctioning rocket following a spring like trajectory?

What's all this collective consciousness nonsense? There is one reality, albeit an infinitely large and infinitely subtle one.

The subject of archetypes is very interesting. My understanding of that is somewhere inside us, beyond our ego, persona, subconsciousness and the rest of it, is a kind of memory bank which holds all the memories and experiences of every moment that has ever happened to every living being in the history of existence, and everybody is born with this memory bank. Not sure whether that would include animals, plants etc aswell. Abit mind boggling :)

there is evidence that memories are passed through dna

however i actually think this was a ground based projection to fulfil some kind of occult ceremony that was represented in the painting in my previous post

this was for obama 100% imo

Some good posts there from DonWarro. Not the easiest subject matter to write on by conveyed weel

There are two schools of interpretation on the types of archetypes, subjective or objective. Subjective from within ourselves as an organism, we project this outwards. I prefer the other idea that it is objective and exists independently from ourselves.
DMT will show these up to anyone who cares to look

still here Snooch

An unusually interesting thread for a BF forum.

Good to see the normal illiterate rambling service has been resumed...´blokes called Tony´...´Songs with FISH in the title´...When men wer men´...

looks like I was right

punterfleecer, you are always right, and if anyone says you're wrong they're right too.

boxingthefox, am usually right, at least I don't box foxes plus I donate to SSPCA every month

On a more serious and intellectual note, it is quite obvious that it was Santa doing a victory roll in his sleigh.

To save me reading all this waffle,what was the light please?

http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_chinese_rocket_flyby/

^ simples innit ;\

Gene Hackman 11 Dec 21:14
To save me reading all this waffle,what was the light please?

a Russian missile gone wrong............seriously

chinese

punterfleecer 11 Dec 21:13
boxingthefox, am usually right, at least I don't box foxes plus I donate to SSPCA every month.

punterfleecer, I only box foxes because I found that sparring skunks had terrible problems attached to it, well done on your SSPCA donations.

cheers, terrible that the RSPCA advertise themselves on Scottish newspaper/media, wanting our Scottish money to save animals in England/wales

RSPCA are disgusting

punterfleecer, you got any pets mate.

not right now, but I did do

Good man, Ive got some rescued cats, not sure who has rescued who!.
Got to go, good luck.