There was a thread earlier about rap music

Luke, you have been seduced by the dark side, nothing good can come of this.

Sparky, I don't believe it!

When I saw the rap thread earlier - I too thought 'there's only one that I like' - and this is it! But I had no idea what it was called or who it was!

This is the version I heard, on Jools last month:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qk_fAi5PuY

Are you looking for that previous rap thread?

Very good, JM!

it's great ain't it tommy!

YES ALISHA!!

It is, Sparky. I think the girl in the Jools version is a better singer, though. She really 'makes' the song.

yes!

I'm on about my 5th repeat, Sparky!
She really blasts it out!

good stuff TOMMY!

have we reached dude?

I knew there was something I had to do!

Not yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sHpHQTuZC4


BEST SONG EVER (even if you dont like hip hop)

yeah empire state of mind is a cracking tune

love hard knock life too and most of kanye

lol NONE of these are RAp songs you mugs :)

here listen to this for classic old school rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASjH7X-jAY4

yeah tbh it's not rap at all

just rnb/hip hop

Apart from Jay-Z rapping all the way through it, that's SO true.

I've got it on again, I LOVE this!

FFS

3:06 before she sang the first note

I stuck with it until 4:27

then it was off immediately

Garbage, absolute garbage. The only rap song I've ever thought was ok is Gangsters Paradise.

Should have read the small print. Then you'd only have lost 27 seconds!

You probably won't like my link either then, BC, but that one starts straight away (same song) but she's a better singer.
Still don't like the rapping part - but she belts out a mighty fine tune.

and I'm surprised at you Tommy Toes.

Life is full of surprises, Mitchell!

You have a listen to the woman in my link and I'll bet you'll be impressed.

ok, maybe later. :-)

Okay, Mitchell - she's a 'hot chick' too!

Been watching the Yankees versions, great to see a city so united, and unashamedly and unaggressively so.

im not sure why you lot call this rapping... just speaking quicker than normal..

like i said.. listen to some proper rap music..

Proper as defined by who? If you're a bigger name than Jay-Z, I'll happily defer.

Listened to 3 mins Tommy, gave it a fair try. Worse than Sparkys.

WORSE THAN SPARKYS!

Now THAT'S low!!!

Another tune in this crossover genre I like is (this really is Jay-Z's speciality)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVA-xTBeHyM

I mean the posturing is more than a little ridiculous, but again, the contrast between the aggressive undertone of the rap and the beautiful hook is compelling.

Dido/Eminem also.

ffs

Surely nobody can hate this.

Common featuring Lily Allen 'Drivin me wild'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82sfmWX1JHM

Clever rapping, deep message, catchy chorus and featuring forum darling lily. :x

If you'd lived in the 30's 40's 50's or 60's, and sampled music of the time, you'd realise how vile this stuff is.

Mitchell, try fast forwarding it to 3:20 - and then it's mostly her.

There's a great twiddle of guitar at 4:00 too.

I'll take a rain check Tommy.

Okay Mitchell.
As I said, life is full of surprises. I really dislike most rap music, but as soon as I heard this on Jools that night I though it was great.

lol you clown.. you think this rap-lite by jay z and the likes is proper old school rap music then you know less than i thought..

then again you prob call bands like jedward rock and roll

Well no, it's just, he's one of the biggest rap stars in the world. Seems reasonable to think of it as rap, that's all.

Do you have some secret rap that you'd like to let us in on? If it's a guy from Bermondsey we're like way up for it!

Very funny Sparky!

old school rap record. (1981 vintage)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQYp1UDn1k

you really have no clue do you :)

even bands like rage against the machine and NWA were proper rap artistes over this r n b shyte..

your from stoke, if you ever went to one of the nights at satchmos youd know the difference my friend..

Sorry Mitchell, but

"If you'd lived in the 30's 40's 50's or 60's, and sampled music of the time, you'd realise how vile this stuff is"

Who's the loser here, someone who enjoys something or someone who hates it? If everything other than haute cuisine tastes bitter than that's what you've become.

I LOVE these tracks!

Best rap song ever, featuring 2 of the most gorgeous chicks I've ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmpb30yBceA

Don't get your knickers in a twist Sparky.

Big game player jay z is old school been making tunes since the late eighties, he aint my bag musically but then you posted a shoite PE track in my view.In terms of great rappers check this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwd20C_2oVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHaTSxMuS6U

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_school_hip_hop

read that sparky then you may have some clue as to the differnce

the difference between what?

Gangsters Paradise is by far the best rap song ever (not much competition mind) and at least you can make out the lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFK6H_CcuX8

brngtwt yeah i know its not one of their best or one of the best but i found something that would be accessible to most in here,...

and not that boring shyte that people call rap now ...

lol best rap song ever :)

They're not Mitchell, like I say, I really enjoy these tracks. I'll have a look at yours too, hopefully I'll like that too.

You'll be surprised by the 1st one. ;-)

sparky the difference between the r n b drivel your on abotu and proper old school rap and hip hop.. you might even want to listen to some of it. but i doubt it would be your thing really..

Mitchell, I too liked Gangsters Paradise - but that's probably because it was a Stevie Wonder song originally (Pastime Paradise).

Yes, I only learned that about a year ago Tommy.

I'm not on about r'n'b, I quite like it, but the thread is about the track Empire state of mind, and specifically the rapper Jay-Z's contribution. Old school rap has I'm sure, many great tracks.

Gangster's paradise is just a slightly altered Stevie Wonder song though.

Grandmaster flash 'The Message' was totally original and broke new ground in pace and content.
Plus all the white kids in glasgow knew all the lyrics. Incredible.
nothing in its class since.

Here's Stevie's version - from one of the greatest albums ever made: Songs In The Key Of Life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0S4SiLxt1s

I thought Gangster's Paradise was OK, but a bit commercial and lame.

That link Mitchell, it's no Anfield rap.

This is one rap record that I really like, extremely catchy.


Black Eyed Peas. Shut Up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzMtlZjXpU

In fact it's a very clever piece of work.

What was that song where the bloke was dressed as a jockey in the video?
I liked that too.

By the Flying Piggots?

I like the Black eyed peas, although I accept that they're not particularly intellectual.

Monday...Tuesday...Wednesday...Thursday....

Very good, Sparky!

I can't for the life of me remember his name now - it was just one bloke. Very catchy song of about 4 (?) years ago. He appeared as several jockeys (I seem to remember) but they were all him.

Green silks.

I know what you mean...but also can't remember Tommy!

I think what this thread really bears out is you should always be open to any genre of music.

I must admit, I haven't clicked on the other rap links as I don't like the music overall and would never seek it out - but when I stumble across something (like on Jools that night) I'll listen to it - and I was very taken with that particular song.

Every era and genre has it's good and bad. The 30s 40 and 50s had just as much dross then as there is now.
The 60s was an exceptional decade, as I'm sure most would agree - but it still had some terrible stuff too.

Indeed, you look at the charts from then and the 70s and for every great track by The Who or The Stones there's several No-one Quite Like Grandpas.

It's a tragedy that video means that today unattractive artists can't get contracts however talented they are, but a bigger blessing that the internet means that doesn't matter!

Tommy Toes 10 Dec 01:24

Every era and genre has it's good and bad. The 30s 40 and 50s had just as much dross then as there is now.
The 60s was an exceptional decade, as I'm sure most would agree - but it still had some terrible stuff too.


With respect, never heard such nonsense.

Correct, Sparky.
I see a lot on here in my age group who really liked the 70s music as they were in their teens and that's usually the music you associate with 'good times' (probably) but I felt really **ed at the time, as I thought four fifths of it absloute garbage.
If it hadn't have been for Radio Luxembourg and The Old Grey Whistle Test, I'd have very rarely heard any good music from that decade.

With respect, Mitchell, I disagree.

tommy toes and mitchell bare knuckle fighting on the cobbles ?

put em up muthas!
















MARVELLOUS UPPERCUTS SPARKY

Just remembered, Sparky!

Outcast: Hey Ya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIv8-tYorRk

end of thread ? :(

has this ever occured before on such a popular topical thread ffs

discuss..

*Outkast

dont mince your words tom,i get the message

gn

Ah yes tommy!

a bitofinterest 10 Dec 01:36
tommy toes and mitchell bare knuckle fighting on the cobbles ?

I should warn Tommy that I used to do a bit of boxing.
















































For Ffyffes bananas.

ffs ESOM is not rap lol

it's rnb hip hop

"Empire State of Mind" is an anthemic hip hop song that features sampling from "Love on a Two-Way Street" by The Moments with influences of electropop and orchestra pop.

which jay-z raps all the way through.

he may well rap but it's not a rap song

not sure how anyone could think it is

however it is a great hip hop track

well...all the rapping and that made me think it might be relevant to a thread about rap music...don't know why.

to appear cool? ;-)

you've been told enough times it's hip hop

agreed canny

i'm not into rap music myself and won't pretend that by thinking this is a great track, that i'm actually a fan of the genre

word, mitchell.

You've SAID that a lot canary, I'm not sure why.

because you have a problem understanding

Again, check out Jurassic 5. They were great. I don't like much rap but could listen to these guys all day... no bling, **es or hoes in sight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZmQIGLNxBs - Concrete Schoolyard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaz2qkDZII4&feature=related - Work It Out

Also, try some Scroobius Pip vs Dan Le Sac. Not really rap but it's sorta hip-hop with the spoken word over the top. Really clever stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoN6XfyQsr4 - Thou Shalt Always Kill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnGNOiFll4&feature=related - Letter From God

Well, I don't know the difference between rap, hip-hop, ar any of the 'new' terms for such music, but if somone talks a lot all the way through a song - it's rap, to me.

I found a great version of New York State Of Mind in the early hours, made by MLB tv, which has been edited to show the Yankees winning the recent World Series.
Most of Jay-Z's stuff has been edited out and the commentators do the rapping, leaving just the great beat and Alicia singing.
An excellent video for baseball fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC7AIpd3NMU

I've heard that several times Tommy, it's quite acceptable. Not a bad little tune.