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Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
Or not
Report 8sid November 10, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
i can work for you
Report CUPRA November 10, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
What venture would you be thinking of opening? If
you can, indeed, open a venture.
Report donemyconkers November 10, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
Not if its an Ice Cream van IMO
Report orioles November 10, 2009 3:39 PM GMT
Depends on the venture.
Report Baggers November 10, 2009 3:40 PM GMT
Do you have any capital?
Report The Magic Flea November 10, 2009 3:40 PM GMT
it could be a venture into the unknown
Report CUPRA November 10, 2009 3:40 PM GMT
Insert poor 'Paris' gag
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
Yeah got capital.Where I live there is no pubs etc with a play area.We have found a bar/restaurant that is shut and are thinking of turning it into a carvery with a play area.Rent is £1250 a week
Report Baggers November 10, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
Is it dog kennels? Never enough of them
Report CUPRA November 10, 2009 3:43 PM GMT
No money in it Baggers. Looked into it a couple of years ago.
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 3:43 PM GMT
Provisional costings say 100 covers a day would cover the rent and 6 staffs wages.700 a week for a new venture would be tough but possibly achievable
Report Capt__F November 10, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
65k per annum
scarry
Report orioles November 10, 2009 3:45 PM GMT
Aren't restaurants notoriously bad investments?
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 3:46 PM GMT
Yup £65k It is huge though
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 3:46 PM GMT
Possibly Orioles but there is always a market for decent quality cheapish food.Hmmm
Report .¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> November 10, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
why was it shut in the first place ?
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
a poseidon cod venture would be your best bet imo
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 3:48 PM GMT
Squiggly fish it was an up market Grill/bar. £20 odd for a steak sort of place
Report Hoss November 10, 2009 3:49 PM GMT
V risky in current economic climate, with people staying in.

Even with signs of an upturn, will customers be willing to REGULARLY eat out in your hostelry.

Good luck but wouldn't be for me :)
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
you could make a small fortune but you'd have to start with a large fortune.
Report Injera November 10, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
For some reason, 'venture' is a pleasing word. I think it's the 'ture' bit. Sounds intriguing.
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 3:51 PM GMT
What amazes me in so many pubs is how many staff they have, and the landlord and landlady often don't do much. I think for most pubs you need to put loads of hours in and do as much of the work as possible yourself.

Massive profit margin on food I think, would love to run a restaurant myself.
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 3:53 PM GMT
Thanks for the reply fellas.I was in a bar on Sunday night there was 3 of us in the whole place and 3 bar staff
Report canaryboy November 10, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
was in a pub at lunch time and basically empty
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 3:58 PM GMT
Lots to think about.There's laots of families and Pensioners in our town and its a fairly wealthy place.Hmmm
Report Slicer November 10, 2009 3:58 PM GMT
DONT DO IT-

You have been told by someone who is knowledgeable. The rich are not spending money now- they are trying to hold on to it. Take it from someone who is rich.

I do not jest about matters of this nature. The UK is bankrupt. More money is being paid out to spongers and foreigners in benefits than is being received in taxes. The crepe will hit the fan soonere or later. Do not go down with the sinking ship that is Britain! Do not be mislead by the stock market. An incredibly wealthy financial commentator once told me not to mistake the FTSE index with the economy.

YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD!
Report PoolFC November 10, 2009 3:59 PM GMT
Slicer is right imo.
Report .¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> November 10, 2009 4:02 PM GMT
why dont you use the money to stake 8Sid, maybe a shrewder investement
Report age 21 November 10, 2009 4:05 PM GMT
FFS pubs clubs basr and restaurants are shutting quicker than a polish birds legs after the rich english man marry her, get a fkin grip mate dont open a pub
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
thanks for the input fellas
Report Slicer November 10, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
The professions are being badly hit. I know of chartered accountants who cannot get jobs and 2 solicitor aquaintances of mine have closed their practices this month and one of them is on the night shift in Morrisons- he beat 50 other white collar workers and others to this job.

The basic principles of business are maximum return from a minimum outlay with minimum risk. The mark up in a restaurant on alcohol is where the profits used to be, with little or nothing on the food. SO- look at the pubs- many closing down every day.

What return will you get for the aggravation of employing staff- "sorry boss, I cant work tonight, my in growing toenail is playing up!" Rent, rates etc will be a burden. Is it worth it taking the risk? Why will you succeed where the previous owner failed. Are you so much better than him?

Anyway, good luck with what you decide.
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 4:10 PM GMT
Slicer an eternal pessimist imo.
Report Big Charlie November 10, 2009 4:11 PM GMT
canaryboy 10 Nov 16:56
was in a pub at lunch time and basically empty


Were all the smokers outside ?
Report flatliner November 10, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
Very,very risky,try not to let your enthusiasm cloud you into believing it will be a worker. Seen this here in Tenerife, bars closing left right and center but there,s always some mug from the UK that will buy them cos It,ll be different for them......
Report Slicer November 10, 2009 4:15 PM GMT
Only cos I KNOW!!!
I use my eyes to see what's going on- I don't believe politicians, newspapers or people with lesser intelligence and knowldge than me who think they know more than me. Remember, I am highly edumacated and of advanced years. I have seen it all before. But MPS with snouts in the trough and the greediest bankers ever known to man are some rather new, at least in the public domain.
So- it's up to you what you believe!

5000 jobs to be cut at Lloyds bank. Those affected wont be spending too much money!
Report Slicer November 10, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
Anyway- logging off now- good luck to all!
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 4:18 PM GMT
thanks slicer
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 4:21 PM GMT
I think a lot of reason that pubs/restaurants/cafes etc go under is because they are run by mugs. It is not an exagerration to say that some of these people don't realise that if you spend a grand ten times it equals ten grand. Or that you only make a profit if you spend less than you earn.

If you do your sums and are willing to work hard then I reckon pubs etc are a reasonable option - you get to live in the pub as well remember. Might not make a mint at first, but should be able to make a small profit if you're thrifty
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 4:25 PM GMT
Well Ive run my own business for 5 years and done ok with that its just getting involved in something I have no experience in thats a bit daunting
Report Capt__F November 10, 2009 4:27 PM GMT
gotta be a chef to run a restaurant
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 4:29 PM GMT
not pretending to be an expert or anything snooze, and admittedly now isn't the best time. but if you're selling good stuff reasonably priced and keep staff down and other costs you must have a chance. 1250/week seems a bit steep to me though -
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 4:31 PM GMT
Reckon anyone who works hard and has a bit of common could run a restaurant. I know people who run pubs selling food and do all the cooking themselves with no experience and they do alright.

All you need is a bit of common.
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 4:35 PM GMT
ts been empty for 3 months now so I,d hope to get the rent down to a grand a week or maybe a free couple of months from them.May well be worth a shot
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 4:38 PM GMT
if it was busy before then it can be busy again i suppose.

So long as you don't waste food and shop around, you'll be amazed at what the mark up is on a main meal that might go out for 9.95.
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
Looking into the costings of a carvery they reckon 60% £5 a head Mon-Fri but £8 a head on weekends could do the trick.Plus drinks plus a decent sized kids area it may be a goer
Report positively4thsteet November 10, 2009 4:42 PM GMT
Pub up the road used to do massive plates of roast beef/pork with all the trimmings ona sunday. lovely they are too. ten quid a pop, not a massive pub but they got forty people in there - £400 plus puddings and bottles of wine and other drinks and that. I bet the ingredients only cost less than sixty quid. And not even that much work to do a massive roast so long as you can use a potato peeler.
Report snoozedoggydog November 10, 2009 4:52 PM GMT
my thoughts exactly
Report crediter November 10, 2009 7:07 PM GMT
rates much be 25k a year...
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