fouraces 09 Nov 18:55


so because your car serves a useful purpose it is acceptable to fill non drivers lungs full of toxic fumes


iTS NOT A 'TRADE OFF'

If you believe car fumes kill or at harmful levels - find some research - make some research!!!- mobilise people and get something done about it. Thats what I and others did in the early 70's re smoking and at last - we're here. :) We did it without the power of the internet.

Car fumes have nothing to do with smoking in pubs. If you believe car fumes to be dangerous - do something about it.

madsimon: what do you make of this, then?

lmfao 09 Nov 18:51


Surgeon General: No Safe Level for Secondhand Smoke
Report Bolsters Clean Indoor Air Efforts



Secondhand smoke is dangerous in any amount, and the only way to protect people from that danger is to eliminate indoor smoking. SOURCE: US Surgeon General Richard Carmona. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke.

"The health effects of secondhand smoke exposure are more pervasive than we previously thought," said Carmona, vice admiral of the US Public Health Service. "The scientific evidence is now indisputable: Secondhand smoke is not a mere annoyance. It is a serious health hazard that can lead to disease and premature death in children and nonsmoking adults."

Cancer experts praised Carmona's report, which adds weight to efforts to get clean indoor air laws passed throughout the country.

"Today's report should end any lingering debate over the importance of enacting comprehensive smoke-free laws," said John Seffrin PhD, chief executive officer of the American Cancer Society. "The report confirms that the only way to protect people from secondhand smoke is to eliminate their exposure."

Secondhand Smoke Causes Lung Cancer, Other Diseases
Medical experts and public health officials have long known that secondhand smoke poses a danger to non-smokers. A Surgeon General's report in 1986 found that secondhand smoke can cause lung cancer, and also concluded that merely separating smokers from nonsmokers doesn't eliminate the threat from secondhand smoke.

The new report pulls together evidence from the numerous studies that have been done on secondhand smoke since that time. It includes in-depth analyses of the toxic effects of secondhand smoke, including how it causes cancer, damages the respiratory tract, and harms the circulatory system. The report also examines the impact of secondhand smoke on children, and looks at exposure levels in the United States.

In terms of cancer, the report confirms that secondhand smoke can cause lung cancer and that nonsmokers who live with a smoker have a 20%-30% higher risk of lung cancer because of exposure to secondhand smoke.

The report says there isn't enough evidence to say for sure that secondhand smoke causes breast cancer, but existing evidence is "suggestive."

Other major conclusions:


Secondhand smoke causes premature death and disease in adults and children who do not smoke.
Exposure to secondhand smoke has immediate negative effects on the heart, and causes heart disease and lung cancer.
Secondhand smoke can worsen asthma in children, and puts them at risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), respiratory infections, and ear problems.
Scientific evidence shows that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.
Millions of American adults and children are still exposed to secondhand smoke at home and in the workplace.
Having separate smoking and nonsmoking areas, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot eliminate secondhand smoke exposure. Prohibiting smoking in indoor spaces does.

tHIS IS WHY THE SMOKING BAN IN PUBS MUST REMAIN IN FORCE

bad form imo ,and normally selfish, **my parents .....smoking in a room especially where there are toddlers should carry a severe sentence imo.

yet this is overlooked completely ...

strange society we live in
:(




as someone pointed out on here before ...

ban conkers ,but lets all be allowed to buy explosives (fireworks)