how would uk have turned out if germany had won the war and taken over ?

The other weeks Question Time would have been slightly different I think.

kingfisher 23 07 Nov 10:42


lovely clean country with nice roads, lesser taxes, nice people, less drugs and sausages.

like Berlin?

Yes a bit strange that Flea, I would have thought that we'd have more sausages not less.

3 stars on our International Football shirt

All the Jeremy Kyle mob would have been dispensed with.

So there's a big plus.

sorry more sausages, you cant deny its a nicer country than England

it would've been impossible unless you ended up with a 1984 situation, with 3 great powers forever in a perpetual war. And that picture did not look rosy. National Socialism could only work in a never ending war and false economy

kingfisher 23

what parts of germany have you seen, out of interest?

Bavaria (NAP)

Best part ;)

agreed ^^^ that is like comparing england with the home counties or west country

Of the major cities I have been to Munich, Frankfurt, Koln and Hamburg - and I only found Hamburg to be in any way "a bit iffy".

Paderborn

I take it you didn't go to the frankfurt train station. Like entering the set of Christiane F in Glasgee on a friday night

I'd love to go to Hamburg and experience the reeperbahn

You take it wrong then, I went to various other areas as well and I felt safe walking through the streets at night. I'm not sure that I'd feel safe to walk in areas like Moss Side and Hulme in Manchester at night though.

Hamburg is a great city, but as any large port it has areas of huge deprivation

but the reeperbahn? ;o)

;)

there'd be no one to tarmac my drive for a start.

We would Not be here, Many men would have been transported around Naziland as Slave labour.

All the wee lassies currently shrieking about the European Super State would really have something to moan about. Except they wouldnt cos they'd be shyting themselves everytime there was a knock at the door.

From the evidence available, the tragedy of relentless murder in a police state would be alleviated by rather base humour centred around cafes, english airmen, and paintings of fallen madonnas with big boobies.

wotta mistaika do maika

Royal Family would probably be the same

'Is it worse than the concentration camps? Arguable.'

I really don't know what to say. Root beer, anyone?

In fairness, not as many cretins as usual on here claiming that living under Nazi rule and persecution would be great. Still the odd one or two, but most must still be sleeping off the 15 cans of wife beater

it's saturday. visiting day for their 5 children by as many mothers

in fairness, germany in 1936/37 was very well run. until hitler went mad the same sort of country would not be too bad IMO

a lot better than living under Stalin or Mao Tse tung or Pol Pot...imo.

People are used to the forms of suffering they are familiar with.
In Nazi Germany everyone was afraid of the authorities, with good reason.
And it is quite possible tat they would be locked in endless war if they couldn't conquer America.
They did not, however, suffer from the same ills that we do now. Junk food, poor physical and mental health, the class system, feral youth whose minds have been addled by drugs, the list is endless.
Global warming? Not a problem if the Nazi's ruled the world. The Govt wouldn't worry about what big business thought. If they were out of line, off to the camps and get some new ones in!

It has been plausibly argued that the quantity of evil in the world is constant, it just takes different forms.

ACTUALLY YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE LIVED .

Mann von vielen Moods I suppose

Physchiatric problems ^^...you wouldnt be here Momm .. :0

At least the trains would run on time.
Punterfleecer, I've been to Hamburg, a bit surreal on a Saturday night whole German families young and old walking up the reiperbahn window shopping as it were.

moon light.
Something horribly familiar about your posts.

Pseudo intellect at its most nauseating imo

2smiggy 07 Nov 12:40


in fairness, germany in 1936/37 was very well run. until hitler went mad the same sort of country would not be too bad IMO


fake economy, fake jobs created by the military that paid a pittance. Must've been great living in that era

compaired to the economy and jobs now ? never mind the crime and the leniant jail terms been handed out.

Something horribly familiar about your posts.

I doubt you've ever seen anything like them. Try to curb your overactive imagination, with its mindless stereotyping.
I haven't the slightest desire to live in Nazi Germany, in case you hadn't noticed.
I just don't think that living in the 51st State is exactly paradise either. We are descending slowly into hell during my lifetime. If you haven't noticed, you're not very observant.

I have spoken to people brought up during nazi times, and I can guarantee you it was no picnic.

STUDYFORM - you are a paranoid fvckwit.
hth

A hell you don't notice, probably isn't all that bad!

We do notice it, we're just used to the pain. Desensitisation.
If you want to know what Nazi Germany was like, I suggest the novels of Erich Maria Remarque.

Of course, some people are comfortable in today's Britain, just as some were comfortable in 1930's Germany. The qualities required for survival in both were in some ways similar, in others different.

i am uncomfortable in today's Britain, which I see as degenerating throughout my lifetime. Is that objective? Hard to know. There was a lot of violence in the 50s and 60s with youth gangs.
I wouldn't have lasted 5 mins in Nazi Germany, due to my bad attitude toward authority.

england would be full of germans speaking the germanic language. oh wait, that's exactly the conditions before and after the war. plus ca change

england would be full of germans speaking the germanic language. oh wait, that's exactly the conditions before and after the war. plus ca change

They did not, however, suffer from the same ills that we do now. Junk food, poor physical and mental health, the class system, feral youth whose minds have been addled by drugs, the list is endless.
Global warming? Not a problem if the Nazi's ruled the world. The Govt wouldn't worry about what big business thought. If they were out of line, off to the camps and get some new ones in!

OK moon Light, let's rip the above BS apart, shall we?

*You think that people in the 1930's did not suffer poor physical and mental health?
Life expectancy was considerably lower than now, and lower still in 1930's Germany, There was limited care (if any) for those with mental problems, and nothing like the access now enjoyed by virtually everybody to health care.

*Junk food.
There wasn't any at the time. What's to say it still wouldn't have been developed i the intervening years?

*No class system?
Hardly. Given that our own Royal family is mostly German, and there were no shortage of Schlossen with incumbent Barons. Where do get the no class system idea. Any victorious Germans would have knighted themselves and become nobility, just as in most of the wars throughout history.

*No feral Youth?
Possibly the stupidest of your assertions. Where do you think they did their initial recruiting, in the wake of a depression? There was, and at all times in all countries, has been plenty of "Feral" population. It's to do with poverty.

*No big business
The Nazis worked hand in hand with big business, as governments do now. Big business provides funding, and would still have been vital to the Germans as it was in the 30's, just think about all the German companies that did well from the war.

and, "off to the camps" is the one biggest reason it's a good thing they didn't win.

hth.

2smiggy, why don't you try reading a book? Putting aside the fact that the nazi criminals took over an advanced nation state by murder, terror and concentration camps, they were also utterly incompetent.

Germany was an economic disaster area by October 1935, with massive discontent over food prices and and shortages. The heil hitler salute was no longer seen in Berlin, even among zealots. If the entire state had not been locked down by terror there would have been an attempt at counter revolution.

Morale was restored by invading the Rhineland and we know the rest.

2smiggy 07 Nov 12:40
in fairness, germany in 1936/37 was very well run. until hitler went mad the same sort of country would not be too bad IMO


ABSOLUTE and total rubbish.
You think 1934 would have been OK, with the state murdering people by the hundred, burning books, ostracising communities for no reason? You think hitler went suddenly mad in 1936?

FFS.

Just spotted your 12.35 post, LF.
Quite right.
I'm going to look at the horses and football instead now.

I can't pretend to be neutral and cool about these idiots. Some of the absolute horse** you see on here can only be by neo nazis trolls or complete fcukwits. I often find it hard to tell the difference.

they had employment, good state run infrastructure, and low crime. if you were happy to follow government policys ( pre war before you start with bull about being anti jewish etc) then it sounds ok to me.

My sentiments exactly, ghostdog.
I've been known to get a bit annoyed by them myself from time to time.

I completely fail to understand why they try to idolise hitler and his gang.
Perhaps its the same reasoning which makes them buy the loudest fireworks and have pitbulls/staffys.
I have no time for thick and aggressive people.

Smiggy.
They killed everyone who argued, or was 'intelligensia' or was in opposition.
The rest is bull.

No, It wasn't ok. See my first post.

Source:

'Hitler 1989-1936: Hubris' - by Professor Ian Kershaw.

p577.

Funny how the first to scream about freedom of speech are the first that would take it away if in power

smiggy, you are either an Adolf fan or seriously thick. Either way, sort yourself out.

Everyone who disagreed was in a camp within weeks. The first to be beaten to death were the social democrats, not the communists.

all against the killing part in fairness. what they did is terrible.

but the way society is going at present there must be some better way of running everything.
i doubt the louts with pit bulls and fire works would have beenn tolereated back then.

i am neither. you have your opinions , i have mine, which i suppose makes you thick.

but neither would gays, black, jews, slavs, feminists, communists, democrats, budhists.... the list goes on

They were more than tolerated, they did the beating the death. They were the nazi SA street thugs, later the SS. They robbed people blind and did under the pretext of order.

I suggest you read some history.

OK smiggy, except that your opinions are demonstratably b0llocks by any historical evidence. But don't let that put you off. Have a nice day.

forget the nazi part,
they had high employment, alot of not that well paid through state run jobs. better than paying out huge dole money for people to do nothing. also profits on companies was tightly controlled, with the state taking money back and reinvesting back into the country. the likes of dell have now just decided to move out of ireland, taking 3000 jobs with them and moving to poland.
i would just like a society with more in employment, stricter policeing, and to get rid of areas of the country which have turned into no go areas because because of lack of employment and crime.
until about 10 years ago we never locked our doors at night and would often leave cars keys in the car overnight. now with** around the country people are living in fear, especially in rural areas. these** when caught are often out within months , if even jailed and back out robbing at night.

Smiggy.
You're right, there are awful problems in today's society, and many aspects of day to day living. The solution to these problems does not, however, lie with 1930's or Nazi Germany.

The problems then were mostly, though not all, different. Life then was NOT good.

OK STUDYFORM, let's rip your BS apart, shall we?

"*You think that people in the 1930's did not suffer poor physical and mental health? I did not say that
Life expectancy was considerably lower than now, and lower still in 1930's Germany, There was limited care (if any) for those with mental problems, and nothing like the access now enjoyed by virtually everybody to health care."

Ineffective health care, due to the omnipresent junk food. Health improvements since 1930 are nearly all due to smoke control. The medical system exists to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical shareholders.

"*Junk food.
There wasn't any at the time. What's to say it still wouldn't have been developed i the intervening years?"
Hitler was a vegan health fanatic, had them all running thru the forest in their birthday suits. He wouldn't have been impressed by junk food.

"*No class system?
Hardly. Given that our own Royal family is mostly German, and there were no shortage of Schlossen with incumbent Barons. Where do get the no class system idea. Any victorious Germans would have knighted themselves and become nobility, just as in most of the wars throughout history."

'Der Deutschen Volk ist ein Volk'. Hitler was dedicated to eradication of the class system, which was the basic concept of National Socialism. He hated the Junker for their failure to win WW1. During the war he did a deal with them for convenience sake. If he had won, there would have been another Night of the Long Knives, and the Junker would have had it. Probably. Germany today has much less of a class system than the rest of Europe, as everybody knows but you.

"*No feral Youth?Again, I did not say that. I asserted it was one of the ills of our times, not that Nazi Germany was free of it
Possibly the stupidest of your assertions. Where do you think they did their initial recruiting, in the wake of a depression?The Nazis put them in uniform and set them to work bullying people. this was a non-optimum solution to the problem, but it did de-feralise 'em There was, and at all times in all countries, has been plenty of "Feral" population. It's to do with poverty."

Highly respectable people in poor countries have much less access to cash and material goods then the most brutal and feral people in Britain. So it's not to do with poverty. I don't pretend to have a complete explanation of it. It is a horrible and baffling situation, which decades of temporary material progress have made worse rather than better.

"*No big business I never said this either. Do you ever read what people actually wrote?
The Nazis worked hand in hand with big business, as governments do now. Big business provides funding, and would still have been vital to the Germans as it was in the 30's, just think about all the German companies that did well from the war."
The apparatus of Nazi Terror meant that the balance of power between big business and the political elite was different than it is in Korrupt Britannia. If the business leaders were out of line, they could have been replaced. In Britain, they own the politicians.

"and, "off to the camps" is the one biggest reason it's a good thing they didn't win."

Couldn't agree more! Esp as I would have been in the camps, and you would have been in one of the black uniforms.
You stereotype people and then rant dementedly at the stereotype, without paying attention to what people actually said. You'd have made a great SS man. Officer potential!

That may be one of the least impressive 'ripping aparts' I've ever read, but it does at least contain a very funny variation on the 'some of my best friends ...' posting gambit :)

What do you mean you never said it???
I C+P'd your post!!!!!

You're right, there are awful problems in today's society, and many aspects of day to day living. The solution to these problems does not, however, lie with 1930's or Nazi Germany.

The problems then were mostly, though not all, different. Life then was NOT good.

Weirdly, I agree completely with this, which would not surprise you if had ever read anything I'd actually said.

Oh and btw, they wouldn't have had me in the SS either.

Horse Racing would be in a far healthier condition. They certainly wouldn't put up with the Morning Line in it's present state.

They did not, however, suffer from the same ills that we do now.

Hmm.. I should have said that they did not suffer to the same degree from the ills that we do now, and did act to ameliorate them, whereas in our time they appear to be deteriorating, often exacerbated by public policy.

In fairness, our Govt is trying to do something about these things too, but ineffectively due to their financial dependence on big biz, which has a crippling effect on their ability to diagnose causes, esp junk food and booze.

We might have won Euro 96!!!

how would uk have turned out if germany had won the war and taken over

I think it is fair to say that we would not have some of the troubles we have today.
On the other hand ,we would have troubles of a different kind.
If you ask me better never to have fought the WW1. Then there would never have been a WW2.

^ ^
did you know that naive is evian backwards?!
Didn't think so.. now back to your history books!

We might have held the 2010 World Cup!!!!!!!!

My wife might have been called Helga

germany is good for thae women that have a very low cleavage and big baps and serve you beer at oktoberfest

Moon Light 07 Nov 12:22

Britain did lose the war and we were conquered by the US, and are being remade in their ghastly image. Is it worse than the concentration camps? Arguable.



Without doubt one of the most pathetic things ever written on the forum & that really is saying something !

I agree Panglima

Panglima et al reluctant to argue their case, preferring merely to sneer.
So much easier on the old grey matter.

Moon light, so, you "might" prefer to be in a concentration camp right now rather than live your life in the UK?

hard choice is it?

That's rather a deep question, o fleecer of the hapless punters.
It depends on many things. I might have been healthier and happier in the years prior to incarceration had I not been exposed to the evils of US-style capitalism.

Would I have found wisdom in the camps prior to an early death, or just fear and despair? We cannot know.

"A warrior is like the cherry blossom" - Hagakure

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panglima 07 Nov 17:48
Moon Light 07 Nov 12:22

Britain did lose the war and we were conquered by the US, and are being remade in their ghastly image. Is it worse than the concentration camps? Arguable.



Without doubt one of the most pathetic things ever written on the forum & that really is saying something !



Moon Light 07 Nov 17:53
Panglima et al reluctant to argue their case, preferring merely to sneer.
So much easier on the old grey matter.


Your reply is a perfectly good enough reason for me to think that debating anything with you would not only be futile but a total waste of breath for someone so ignorant.

Are you trying to convince me that reason is futile, and we should confine ourselves to sneering and hurling insults, panglima?
I am not persuaded.

Perhaps we should change the name of this forum to "Sneer Mock".

Big nose.

orioles puzzling as usual.
Is that a reference to "The Life of Brian"?

I get it! Pardon my slowness.
Orioles is trying to get into the spirit of the new Sneer Mock Forum!

according to bernie "hitler got things done" ecclestone we might now be laughing it up :0

I've always been puzzled by how Bernie managed to get control of Formula One.
He seems the harmful eccentric type to me.

They stole my joke.

I bet the Nazis wouldn't give a jot for copyright.

There are many books that speculate upon what the UK (and indeed, the world) have been like had Germany triumphed. A taste of what it might have been like can be found in 'Inside Hitler's Germany: Life Under the Third Reich'ý by Matthew Hughes, Chris Mann.

i might get hold of that, sounds interesting.

closest thing i've read is fatherland by thomas harris

I think you'd enjoy SS GB by Len Deighton.

A good read, as ever, from the lad.

Nanny monopoly NAP.

We'd have won several major football tournaments due to concentrating our revenge on losing the war in to becoming incredibly proficient and ruthless at penalty shootouts.

i would have a beamer

That would come from the flourishing Bedford Motor Works, as opposed to driving a clapped out Bavarian Astra.

When does the second half start ?

I've got some popcorn in :)

a good spell in the hitler yoof would sort the kids out .

Germans probably wouldn't have occupied for long.Certainly some things would be a lot different.There'd be no United Nations,no immigration,no stock exchange,no Israel,no middle east inspired terrorism,no Bernie Madof types.Oh and of course the trains would run on time!

Germans probably wouldn't have occupied for long

Thousand Year Reich? Seems a long time to me.