Fireworks

sounds like a war zone out there.the poor dogs they do suffer

loved them as a kid......then spent hundreds onfirework night....to give them a show........now they are gone...so just peer out the window....but they do remember......my 4 children.

Started a couple of nights ago round my way, will probably still be banging away in another month.

I used to like those floating moon things, and the traffic lights, green and red smoke everywhere. I have to try and burn an old sofa this year, very hard wood, oh, and you can't beat spuds when they're cooked on a bonfire!

And any tory ministers who call round, you'll be going on the bonfire, in a purely Christian way of course.

Im actually hoping lauren mayberry calls, you know, the one from chvrches.

Bought some indoor fireworks some years ago.  We set them up on the kitchen table and kids lit them.  They fizzed a little bit (fireworks, not kids, that is) and then emitted some brown splurge and finished up looking like a dog turd (again, fireworks, not kids).
The next year we just bought a dog and we have it every day now ... but smells a lot worse.

On the kitchen table?

Yep Ken
We keep our kitchen table indoors

Sorry Ken.
Just re-read your question.
No, dog does fireworks on the lawn.

fireworks are everywhere, they're everywhere

my mind describes them to me (only to me)

light up the sky with Standard fireworks

It's the threads that have got out of hand.  These days the firework threads start a couple of weeks before Guy Fawkes Night with innocuous titles like "Fireworks", and before you know it you can't think for being bombarded with threads like "Calling all firemen", and "Diwali - whats all that about?" and "Why can't you buy bangers loose - it didn't do us any harm except for the odd blown-off digit."

I remember when we had onre thread, on November 5th, and we'd count outselves lucky!

My local Morrison's have even got their own fireworks stall. Looks like something out of punch and judy.

big expensive ones remind me of stick welding with cheap goggles on 

Guy Fawkes night should be banned. It comes from the burning alive of Catholics during the reformation. Imagine if some started a new festival that revelled in the burning of other faiths. I think I'll write to the Guardian. I might even try and get some compensation.

Those aeroplanes were the best. Bit of cardboard attached to a tube

I know I really shouldn't be sticking my nose in, but I was slightly bothered tonight in Morrisons. They have a fireworks counter. There was a woman there with 2 kids. Looked like she didn't have a pot to p*ss in. F'ing and blinding every other word. Total council estate chav, no two ways about it. So she probably sits at home living on child benefit, maybe a spot of disability (you know what it's like nowadays) and she bought £80 worth of fireworks!

I couldn't believe my eyes. The kids looked like they needed a good feed and new pair of shoes tbh, but she carried on buying her fireworks.

I think firework sales should be banned on the high street. Out of newsagents, supermarkets and these poxy little shops that pop up every year, but are second hand furniture shops the rest of the year. Apart from Christmas when they become, obviously, Christmas shops.

Online sales only with a minimum order. Make them so they cant bought on a whim, like kids buy a packet of bangers to let off round the estate scaring the bejeezus out of all the cats and dogs, and also prevent some sickening animal cruelty which I've seen involving fireworks.

I know this may sound elitist by only making them available to the well off, but it will ensure (or at least improve) the chances that they are being purchased by responsible individuals. Both people who can afford them and use them correctly.

Surely it would be better to go to a public display than waste that sort of money, however people make their own choices in life.

Barry Conway 24 Oct 14 21:46 Joined: 30 May 05 | Topic/replies: 2,043 | Blogger: Barry Conway's blog

Guy Fawkes night should be banned. It comes from the burning alive of Catholics during the reformation. Imagine if some started a new festival that revelled in the burning of other faiths. I think I'll write to the Guardian. I might even try and get some compensation.



Both Catholics and Protestants had their martyrs but execution by burning at the stake was a punishment normally inflicted for heresy and witchcraft. The method was first approved for use against heretics by the Synod of Verona in 1184 and subsequently confirmed by the Lateran Council of 1215 and the Synod of Toulouse in 1229. In 1401  King Henry IV authorised the first actual statute in English law against heresy - De Heretico Comburendo, (Henry IV,c.15)  which gave the clergy power to arrest and try those suspected of heresy. The Act  condemned "divers false and perverse people of a new sect; they make unlawful conventicles, they hold and exercise schools, and make and write books." By this Act, the lives of the subjects were put under the control of the bishops, who got power to fine and imprison all heretics, and all possessors of heretical books, while obstinate and lapsed heretics were handed over to the sheriff, to be burned at once, ‘in a high place before the people, that they might take salutary warning.’ The Act bears the title—‘The Orthodoxy of the Faith of the Church of England asserted, and provision made against oppugners of the same, with the punishment of hereticks.’  Penalties had been inflicted on heretics previously but the punishment was only occasional, and often the civil law intervened. But, now, a simple decree of a bishop sufficed to send a man or woman to the stake. The accusation of heresy became sufficiently elastic to bring within it a considerable variety of offenders for simply being different or daring to think for themselves.

The Act was aimed at the Lollards who were gaining popularity and in 1401 one of their number, William Sawtrey, originally from Kings Lynn, Norfolk, was tied to the stake and burnt on the direct order of the king.  The statute was repealed in 1553, but in 1555 three acts against heretics were revived one from 1194 in Richard II reign; one from Henry IV and one from 1416 in Henry V reign. Burning was re-introduced by Henry VIII but it was his daughter, the Catholic Mary Tudor ("Bloody Mary"), who  took it to an excess with 274 burnings of both sexes for heresy  during her five year reign of terror. In most cases their only "crime" was following the Protestant faith, but then even saying a prayer that reflected against Mary Tudor was treason and death.

In Scotland there were the burning of a number of Protestant believers as far back as James Resby, a follower of John Wickliffe in 1407. Resby challenged the Pope`s claim to rule Christendom as the Vicar of Christ and insisted on personal holiness as a condition of Papal office. In 1433 Paul Craw, or Crawar, a Bohemian physician, was burnt at St Andrews. McCrie  in Sketches of Church History  tells of 30 persons of gentility who were accused of heretical sympathies in 1494 but were let off with an admonishment when they, through having had an education, argued against their accusers. There were others of nobility and education who were not so fortunate notably Patrick Hamilton (28 February 1527), George Wishart (1 March 1546), and Walter Mill (28 April 1558). In the seventeenth century there were far more burnings for witchcraft (over a thousand - some eighty per cent of these were women) than for heresy.

The method of execution is graphically described in The Scots Worthies and was often accompanied by awe inspiring declarations of innocence, faith and courage. But not all died the same way. The common witch was piled about with ****s and bound to the stake, she was then normally strangled to death before burning. Only in the worst cases was the  cause of death  a combination of carbon monoxide poisoning produced by the fire, and a period of excruciating pain from the flames and heat. In 1552 William Gardiner was executed while in Portugal where he was trussed up and lowered into the flames - an especially slow and painful death. The Scottish martyrs were possibly better treated in that their death was aided by tying bags of gunpowder to the body and a cord tied round the neck. The cord about the neck was originally intended, by Catholic doctrine, to throttle the prisoner before burning but it seemed to become more of a means of shutting off the the dying words and perhaps the screams of burning. Whether it was also deliberately used as an aid to death is uncertain (they were cruel times and suffering and death was the objective), but drawn tightly by the executioner as the flames gathered force it would have contributed to asphyxiation.

It is illustrative of the times and the malice of the clergy that they would go to extreme lengths to get their way. Patrick Hamilton was related to King James V of Scotland and had a very eminent lineage.  He wrote a fulsome work which he called “Patrick`s Places”  in which he defended Protestant views and listed some fifteen `Errors and Absurdities of the Papists`. His forthright views made him a target for the priests and he was eventually declared a heretic and burnt at the stake. His lineage was of little help to him once the Church had their grips on him.