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Forty
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Hi everyone.  Is there a possibility that GW is supplemented for the stayers hurdle?  Very impressive over 3 miles at Punchestown last April.

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Report Bentring February 7, 2024 4:29 PM GMT
It wouldn't get it in the ambulance forty it's too free
Report duffy February 7, 2024 5:37 PM GMT
I thought after the Irish Arkle that if the festival Arkle was strongly run and FV finally got to experience that for the first time his stamina might give him a big chance. However, after Sunday I think that Mullins might be finally forced to up him in trip because I don't see another race that GW could run in other than the Arkle itself because they just can't risk him over the longer trip for fear that if he's the same as the other day he'll have absolutely no chance.

As it was a match it's deceptive but he went quick, they were miles in front of the later race over the same trip and coupled with how he was before the race and the race itself he just blew himself out.
Report duffy February 7, 2024 5:42 PM GMT
They were miles in front through the race which the final 3 seconds quicker time didn't really do justice too as the winner was heavily eased to the line.
Report impossible123 February 7, 2024 7:42 PM GMT
I thought the horse cannot go left-handed as he's a strong tendency to hang left. He ought to have won the Fred Winter at Cheltenham in 2022; he again hung right in the Ballymore last Cheltenham too.

I hope he runs in The Stayers as I've several trebles with him as the last leg. But, I doubt it very much. I'd see the horse skipping Cheltenham and probably wait for Aintree (maybe not with Impaire Et Passe) or Punchestown again.
Report saxon farm February 7, 2024 9:40 PM GMT
Er……Aintree is left handed
Report saxon farm February 7, 2024 10:51 PM GMT
And why did you have “several trebles” if you considered” Gaelic Warrior “cannot go left-handed”?
Report impossible123 February 8, 2024 8:58 AM GMT
I meant right-handed.
My trebles were from the beginning of the season with City of Troy and Galpin Des Champs in anticipation of his running in the Stayers. Then redirected (more expense) to The JLT. I'm almost certain the stakes have gone down the swanny on these; only salvation would be a 'lay' to salvage some capital.

The horse hugely underperforms going left-handed. Aintree or Punchestown and Kempton will be his next port of call, I'd imagine.
Report GoBallistic February 8, 2024 10:13 AM GMT
If he can't go left-handed or right-handed maybe they should probably just lay him out for the Cambridgshire
Report Forty February 8, 2024 3:14 PM GMT
Thanks everyone.  I also had a bet on him for the Stayers well aware of the tendency to wander.  My thoughts of him going back to hurdles is that Paul Townsend may be able to settle him near the back in a bigger field. 

Turning to the Ankle - I think that the pressure of running at pace fro 2 2miles would exaggerate the jumping to the left whereas 3 miles where the first 2 are run at a relatively slower pace would be easier on the horse (especially over hurdles).

Anyway, I sure Willie and the owner will have the best interest of the horse in their mind and do whatever they believe is best.

Regards

Forty
Report impossible123 February 8, 2024 6:02 PM GMT
I think The JLT was deemed the most likely instead of RSA or Arkle was because the race would be run on the old course, I think Mr Mullins ought to reconsider 3m - either the Stayers or RSA.
Report saxon farm February 9, 2024 8:05 AM GMT
impossible 123
The JLT (Turners) is run on the NEW course.

Do you deliberately get things wrong?
Report geoff m February 9, 2024 9:04 AM GMT
Was entered in stayers hurdle. Been withdrawn recently. WOuldnt be surprised if he skipped Cheltenham and go straight to Punchestown.
His best hope of a big prize is a King George.

Take nothing away from his conquerer Fact To File . Carrying 23lb more than Heartwood ran overall time 3 seconds quicker despite being eased substantially .
Report duffy February 9, 2024 4:46 PM GMT
Personally couldn't have him for longer trips now, I think his jumping out to the right is exaggerated as he begins to tire, it was like that the other day at the last fence, his best chance IMO is the Arkle where he can just be gunned and hopefully last it out on the one breath so to speak while he's still racing within himself. I think it's shaping up to be GW + IET Arkle, FV Turners and FTF, Brown Advisory now.
Report impossible123 February 9, 2024 4:57 PM GMT
The Turners was the preferred race (shortest in the betting) was because the track was lesser sharp being run on (old or new course) I cannot remember which for sure, according to Mr P Mullins. Then with the disappointing runs of Facile Vega in The Arkle trials GW was considered a viable substitute by Mr Mullins as reflected in the market, but chickened out of the contest against Marine Nationale last weekend.

But, I do not think he'll run at Cheltenham instead rerouted to either Aintree or Punchestown. I think backers for Cheltenham have lost their money on him.
Report The Dragon February 10, 2024 10:41 AM GMT
Walsh and hyslop both were of the view that it should go for the Turners
Report duffy February 10, 2024 12:38 PM GMT
I thought Walsh was leaning Arkle, I think he said it at one point.
Report duffy February 10, 2024 12:48 PM GMT
They both agreed on the Turners for FTF although Walsh was in no doubt he would stay the longer trip, when asked about GW, Walsh said he would not be surprised if he dropped in trip, neither went any further with a particular preference.
Report impossible123 February 10, 2024 4:00 PM GMT
Walsh was talking down the chance of Galopin Des Champs in the Gold Cup even before his 1st defeat this season citing his mega exertion in last year's triumphant effort in the Gold Cup; his defeat at Punchestown post Cheltenham; Bravemansgame performances this season.

How wrong he was!
Report differentdrum February 12, 2024 7:25 PM GMT
It beggars belief that people quote Hislop and Walsh as if it is somehow a definitive opinion. Hislop's tipping record is worse than dire, and Paddy Power's poster boy is only good for analysis after the race. The same goes for Dineen and Jennings. If they were judged by results neither would have returned.

As for the original question, Mullins had described Gaelic Warrior as the 'perfect fit' for the Stayers. He was then backed down to favourite for the Stayers. Of course he then changed his mind and sent him over fences. Had he stayed over hurdles he would probably have remained favourite for a shocking renewal. No chance of him being supplemented as I doubt the trainer likes to look a fool.
Report impossible123 February 12, 2024 8:07 PM GMT
Now it's this race hence connections did not want to go for the Irish Arkle trial. Mr Mullins: "We'll try and get him right for The Turners. We are where we are now and he still has all the options. We'll see what happens."
Report brandyontherocks February 12, 2024 8:59 PM GMT
DD, who sound like someone who had backed GW for the Stayers?
Report differentdrum February 15, 2024 12:10 PM GMT
It's not a secret. I would have taken exactly the same view had I not backed it.
Report impossible123 February 16, 2024 11:20 AM GMT
From 2.32 to 5/1 is a tempting one if (a big IF) he shows up. I always take the trainer's assertion with more than a pinch of salt. I'll wait for the day given I've sufficient at 5/2 antepost singles and accas.
Report 04arsenalfc. February 16, 2024 4:45 PM GMT
You can bet 5/1 NRNB - no brainer for me.
Report 04arsenalfc. February 16, 2024 5:12 PM GMT
I lied - already been cut! Was 5/1 this morning when I looked.
Report impossible123 February 16, 2024 5:50 PM GMT
4/1 nrnb is still a good price. The nemesis is the nature of the course eg left-handed; he's a tendency to jump right. Cheltenham is not his track either from previous outings.

Personally, I think he'd be saved for either Aintree and/or Punchestown.
Report brandyontherocks February 16, 2024 6:35 PM GMT
Aintree is also left handed.

Though he does jump right, he has not been disgraced at either of his two festival runs.
Report strontium February 16, 2024 7:04 PM GMT
The Mildmay chase track is also particularly tight. In any case Mullins doesn't run many at that meeting except in the National/Topham, though I suppose he might be chasing the GB training championship this year.
Report Hibore March 7, 2024 8:36 AM GMT
Going to run in Arkle. I think it’s the best move and might just about get away with it against that field.
Report The Dragon March 7, 2024 9:06 AM GMT
fav foe arkle now at 5.5 . i got on at 9.8 so happy with that.

makes up for some of the others ante post bets that have gone west
Report LoyalHoncho March 7, 2024 4:20 PM GMT
I hate seeing horses falling from pure exhaustion and that;s how his fall looked to me last time.  That has to leave a mark on a horse.  Personally he's a watch for me now.
Report saxon farm March 10, 2024 12:56 PM GMT
If I FOUND A FIFTY I would not be putting it on GAEIC WARRIOR in The Arkle!
Report brandyontherocks March 10, 2024 1:40 PM GMT
Hard horse to fancy after his last run, that's for sure.

But being the one P.Townend has chasing makes him interesting.
Report brandyontherocks March 10, 2024 1:40 PM GMT
Chosen
Report impossible123 March 11, 2024 5:35 PM GMT
A 3-miler running in The Arkle. A sacrificial lamb for Facile Vega? I'd be blown away if he wins The Arkle.
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK March 11, 2024 7:56 PM GMT
Being backed like losing out the question
Found nifty 15/2 now at its leg fallen off
Report duffy March 11, 2024 9:11 PM GMT
Only race they could possibly have run in, he's the class horse in the field, his jumping out to the right is a factor when he tires, think that over 2 miles he has a chance to blow them away, of course his behaviour pre race is also a factor to consider.

On the face of it the price coupled with what we've seen from the horse and it looks all wrong, but he has the pace to blow this lot away.
Report cobra sam March 11, 2024 9:32 PM GMT
Kudos to twister for running a couple here,,,
Report brandyontherocks March 11, 2024 9:41 PM GMT
Definitely has not looked a 3-miler this season.
P.Townend was able to keep him wide at Leopardstown so his jumping right was not exaggerated.
Be interesting to see how he copes tomorrow.
Definitely has the pace and class if his jumping holds together.
Report irishone March 12, 2024 7:50 AM GMT
duffy11 Mar 24 21:11Joined: 28 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 27,722 | Blogger: duffy's blog
"Only race they could possibly have run in,"

I see this forums biggest bollix merchant is back
After the event or what ?
The horse is a stayer, always has been , always will be, willie knows it , Patrick knows it , Davy, Ruby...it will get home right handed if he is allowed to set the pace ...if something else goes off in front it's a different matter ....willie loves this horse...beaten twice at Cheltenham already and a double handful on a right handed track...watching brief
Report irishone March 12, 2024 7:53 AM GMT
"Double handful on a right handed track "
.....let alone a left handed track..... that is cheltenham of course
Report The Dragon March 12, 2024 9:35 AM GMT
2/1 now
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! March 12, 2024 11:30 AM GMT
3.45 now
Jumping must have failed
Laugh
Report irishone March 12, 2024 12:00 PM GMT
Laugh
Report irishone March 12, 2024 12:00 PM GMT
Laugh
Report irishone March 12, 2024 12:00 PM GMT
Laugh
Report duffy March 12, 2024 12:33 PM GMT
duffy 09 Feb 24 15:46 
Personally couldn't have him for longer trips now, I think his jumping out to the right is exaggerated as he begins to tire, it was like that the other day at the last fence, his best chance IMO is the Arkle where he can just be gunned and hopefully last it out on the one breath so to speak while he's still racing within himself. I think it's shaping up to be GW + IET Arkle, FV Turners and FTF, Brown Advisory now.



WTF is wrong with you man I got the running plans right, but so what!!

Ive told you before irish, if you want to give it the bigun you can put me in my place by sticking up your lifetime p@l to show me how clever you are?????
Report duffy March 12, 2024 12:35 PM GMT
I see this forums biggest bollix merchant is back
After the event or what ?


before the event you silly man
Report LoyalHoncho March 12, 2024 12:56 PM GMT
A.P. came out with the most succinct, relevant and adroit overview of this year's Festival with his very last worfs this morning when he said,  "What you wouldn't give to be Paul Townend this week"!
Report impossible123 March 12, 2024 2:16 PM GMT
The best horse won; his jockey rode him well. He did not panic when Found A Fifty went past going to the last.
Report saxon farm March 12, 2024 2:16 PM GMT
Done my cash.
I was hopelessly wrong.
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK March 12, 2024 2:29 PM GMT
Well done warrior backers
That took my bet apart over last two
Fences
Report strontium March 12, 2024 3:15 PM GMT
Well done winners. Time will tell if it was a weak Arkle, but he won it impressively.
Report irishone March 12, 2024 5:58 PM GMT
Duffy

Ive told you before irish, if you want to give it the bigun you can put me in my place by sticking up your lifetime p@l to show me how clever you are?????


Stick yours up first mate , the I will understand exactly WTF you are talking about
Report irishone March 12, 2024 6:04 PM GMT
*then
Report irishone March 12, 2024 6:04 PM GMT
*then
Report duffy March 12, 2024 6:12 PM GMT
The point was irish, you came on completely unprovoked and had a dig, the problem was you didn't read the thread properly and thought I was after-timing on a decision that connections had made, however I was doing nothing of the kind as I had previously said what I thought over a month ago , where I thought the horses would go, you even agreed with me without realizing it on how he would be ridden to give him his best chance, anyway, I just don't get the insults, don't do it, or at least read the thread first!
Report irishone March 12, 2024 6:35 PM GMT
you formed an opinion based upon absolutely no provable research or knowledge or information

you were guessing

as you were when you came out with the bollix about Lossiemouth last year
Report duffy March 12, 2024 6:42 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaugh

Yeah...guessed 100% right though didn't I, and you didn't read the thread properly, although you can squirm all you like.

Anyway, what price you got for Sharjah in the Queen Mum tomorrow, hope it wins for you.Cry
Report irishone March 12, 2024 7:15 PM GMT
i took 70s on the back of a remark from a highly successful stable jockey at galway last year
Report brandyontherocks March 12, 2024 7:28 PM GMT
Imp ?
Report duffy March 12, 2024 7:40 PM GMT
Well you've learned a valuable lesson then haven't you, don't believe everything you're toldSilly

Incidentally, I have given up trying to get Lossiemouth beat, you was right, I was wrong.


irishone 12 Mar 24 18:35 
you formed an opinion based upon absolutely no provable research or knowledge or information


Can't win, get something right and it's total guesswork, we're all forming opinions on what we interpret from watching the horses run, none of it is provable, all we can do is watch the races and see how it pans out.

I differed from you and got the running plans of all the novices right,  it's bothered you but it shouldn't,it happens!!! there's no need for the bitterness and insults, you've been like this before with others on here, try not to be!!
Report impossible123 March 12, 2024 7:49 PM GMT
I got him all wrong. I backed him for The Stayers (several good price trebles) at the beginning of the season. Then The JLT (nrnb) luckily, and 'lay' off at 8/1 for The Arkle (backed at 10) thinking he ain't running.
Report irishone March 12, 2024 8:19 PM GMT
Duffy got him wrong as well
The horse played up in the ring as usual
The head gear worn for the first time did the trick.... nothing else


"You could see what difference a hood made to him. He wasn’t trying to jump right and Paul could ride a race on him. I thought coming down the hill ‘what was I doing running him over three miles last season when he has that speed’. I think he has enough class now to do two miles and he’ll probably stick to that game now, although you could push him out to the Ryanair distance as well. He’s very adaptable. When you saw how good he was at Limerick at Christmas you wouldn’t believe he could run like he did at Leopardstown at the Dublin Racing Festival, I don’t know what happened. I thought he was going to boil over again in the parade ring, but once he got out and away from the crowd he became a lot more settled. It made him so much easier to ride in the hood. I think he’s found his calling now, he looks a Champion Chaser, he could be a Ryanair horse and he won over three miles over hurdles. It’s satisfying to get a win here with him after watching what he does at home all the time, to do it in the Arkle is fantastic. It’s a huge relief to get one on the board, when we got beaten in the first I felt ‘oh no’ when it looked like we had it won."  W P Mullins
Report brandyontherocks March 12, 2024 8:31 PM GMT
It's Cheltenham week lads.
Come on.
No need to be bitter with each other.
Let's look forward.
Report duffy March 12, 2024 8:48 PM GMT
sighs

irishone 12 Mar 24 07:50 
duffy11 Mar 24 21:11Joined: 28 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 27,722 | Blogger: duffy's blog
"Only race they could possibly have run in,"

I see this forums biggest bollix merchant is back
After the event or what ?

Let's not get away from the crux of the issue, you thought I'd after-timed, you didn't check properly,when you looked back after I'd pointed it out, you weren't big enough to apologize, you'd rather wriggle, if you want to still try and console yourself that I didn't get anything right because I didn't know about the hood so it doesn't count, go ahead.

But here's the thing,Mullins didn't know ether, but he still ran him over the shorter trip, why? because they were afraid of the blow out over the longer trip,because we've seen it last time, no guesswork involved. If they were confident about the hood and thought he was a stayer he'd have worn it over the longer trip.
Report duffy March 12, 2024 8:51 PM GMT
brandy,

I never start an argument with anyone,always try to be polite look back on this thread and see where it begins, irish has form, you can ask Hibore for one and there are others, buddeleia who was a top bloke fooked off through this type of thing...not me though.
Report irishone March 12, 2024 9:43 PM GMT
"Only race they could possibly have run in "


So you want kudos from a Betfair forum  ?

OK ....Isnt Mr Duffy fantastic ...Comes on here to let Mr Mullins, Patrick, Ruby and Davy know exactly what distance one of their best horses should run over

Of course Mr Duffys opinion counts, he has won so many Cheltenham festival races as a jockey, trainer and owner, what a fantastic achievement it was to guess the race those poor horseman with bags of experience  should enter one of their best horses in

Of course Willie was clueless, Ruby wouldn't indicate one way or another at one stage, but Mr Duffy from the Betfair Forum knew all along

The horse jumped to the Right because he was tired said Mr Duffy, ... so they tried a hood this time, my goodness as the horse trotted up the famous hill , he obviously wasnt tired and jumped as straight as an arrow because he was full of energy and didnt need the hood....   now wrong is mr mullins putting that silly hood on

How great is Mr Duffy ....Its comforting to know these types walk amongst us .. well done mister duffy


LoveLoveLoveLove
Report duffy March 12, 2024 10:05 PM GMT
No I didn't want kudos, I made no mention of anything, only to come on and defend myself from your insult, your above post just about covers what you appear to be, somewhat unhinged and most would agree with me on here, you got it wrong, you thought he was a stayer, Willie knows it, Patrick knows it, blah blah.

Carry on if you must, you've been mugged off on this thread, because you didn't read it first...stop digging.
Report irishone March 13, 2024 9:24 AM GMT
"I made no mention of anything"..... you made ten posts at least you silly boy
Report LoyalHoncho March 18, 2024 1:57 AM GMT
I was wrong too.  The horse recovered well from its previous tun and  glided round.
Well done Willie and well done backers.
Report Arklearkle March 21, 2024 1:23 PM GMT
As things transpired would have won the Champion Chase next day. The sky is the limit if/when he settles. King George Ryanair or whatever.
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