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Cheltenham Festival
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What races would you dump?
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Also mr mulligan who went on to win the following years gold cup
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Minnihoma another one as long as I can remember people have said the sun alliance chase can ruin a horses career utter nonsense
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Nobody mentioned the Mares chase? a complete waste of time,may as well run it on Mullins's gallops.
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Jimnast its not "utter nonsense"
Sage is spot on Its well known in the game mate Check out the winners Chase record after RSA win 2000 Lord Noellie. 1\14 2002 Hussard Colonges 0\11 2003 One Kight 1\8 2004 Rule Supreme 1\8 2005 Trabolgan 1\6 2006 Star De Mohaison 2\7 2007 Denman 5\14 2008 Albertas Run 5\23 2009 Cooldine 0\14 2010 Weapons Amnesty 0\0 2011 Bostons Angel 0\12 2012 Bobsworth 3\8 2013 Lord Windermere 1\14 2014 O'faolains Boy 1\10 2015 Don Paoli 2\16 2016 Blaklion 3\22 2017 Might Bite 4\12 2018 Presenting Percy 1\8 2019 Topofthegame 0\1 2020 Champ 0\2 |
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over three miles on a tight undulating course with an uphill finish plus a few too many smacks aint for novices
3 gold cup winners out of 19 winners is poor outcome if its meant to be a trial for the gold cup |
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Garrison savannah won both irishone
Others that ran in the race who went on to win the gold cup Mr mulligan Long run Al boom photo Minnella info Grand national winners Minnihoma Comply or die Others to have long and successful careers Florida pearl Our vic Smad place Young hustler Run for free Allaho I’m sure there be others I don’t think that’s a bad return |
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Some others who ran in the race who didn’t do to badly post sun alliance
Native upmanship (would have won at least 5 Ryanair’s) Harbour pilot The listener Alberta’s run Silverburn (grand national winner for an unknown Gordon Elliott) Carruthers What a friend The giant bolster Don Cossack (a top class gold cup winner) Many clouds Blaklion |
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Going much further back
Mandarin Arkle Spanish steps Ten up Tied cottage Killiney Master smudge Brown chamberlin Kildimo |
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This is a very interesting thread. It's clear that lots of people think that some races should be dumped, but have very different opinions about which ones and why. One major aspect of the program is tradition. For example, as far as I can see, no one has even suggested dumping the (Fox)Hunter, even though it's an anachronism. Hibore is right in a sense that, if we were starting now, 2 1/2 miles would probably be the "championship" trip for chasers, but tradition dictates it's 3 miles 2 f. In fact, starting now, we'd probably choose to run championship races at somewhere like Newbury or Haydock, rather than somewhere like Cheltenham (the same is true on the flat - 12 f at Epsom is decidedly odd for our "premier" flat race).
Ribero - I'd say give the Mares' Chase time. It's taken the Mares' Hurdle 15 years to build up, but it's a true Grade 1 now, and, arguably, the most competitive looking race of this festival (admittedly at a cost to the Champion Hurdle). Developing high-quality race mares is crucial for the sport. The Mares' Chase definitely has a place in the Festival, taking a long-term view. |
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2017 mares hurdle was a brilliant spectacle strontium
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2015 left quite an impression too. But my point is, that the race was criticised for many years for being pointless, a one horse race, and low quality. Now, we've got a super-competitive race. I would expect the Mares' Chase to go the same way, in time. In a sport that is very bad at taking a long term view, Cheltenham should be commended for introducing the Mares' Hurdle and now the Mares' Chase, and sticking with them, for the long-term good of the sport.
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Blimey I can’t believe that’s already 8 years ago ,left quite an impression is an understatement over 60000 people stood with there mouths open at what they had witnessed incredible scenes.
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Not sure that the quantity of mares races is that healthy for the sport. No jump races are restricted to colts and geldings but far too many are mares only and are uncompetitive. The more small fields and odds on favs, the lower the betting turnover will be so less money trickling down to breeders.
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Sage - I agree that there are now far too many mares-only races overall, and too many mares listed hurdles/bumpers. But the pinnacle is OK.
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JIMNAST you are just picking names out of the air. !
From this Alleged Gold Cup rehearsal, the winners in the twenty years above only won 31 more times out of 210 furthermore attempts to win a steeple chase ! They were that good that the FACTS show they achieved a 14% success rate down the line..... You check upon all the also rans and other placed horses and you will find the win rate is even less pal. |
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On that basis irishone we might as well get rid of the triumph hurdle as only 4 horses have won the triumph and champion hurdle since it was first run in 1939,or you could just say the winner of the triumph is the champion juvenile and the winner of the sun alliance chase is the champion staying novice chaser.
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Silver Birch was Elliott's National wnr,ran in the
4 miler jimnast. Agree with the RSA chse,nothing wrong with it. |
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Cheers penzance my mistake
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World National Hunt Festival Series (which by the way is secretly being mooted)
Leopardstown Nakayama Auteuil Far Hills With the final series being at… Meydan…. |
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And how many of the current GB or Irish NH trainers would take a horse to Japan?
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Nicholls did in the distant past. Mullins in the not so distant.
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When you look at how some races are over subscribed then there is a case of a rejig
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