Cheltenham Festival
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they are just great horses who gives a monkeys where they come from,
Nationalism at its worst
Esp on a forum like this we should all be working togeteher to share info and get winners
Nationalism at its worst
Esp on a forum like this we should all be working togeteher to share info and get winners
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As the Iron Duke said, "If I was born in a stable, would it make me Al Boum Photo?"
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Its mainly due to micro racism...consider this
"Bryony Frost became the first woman to ride a winner in a Grade One race at the prestigious meeting as Frodon held on for victory in the Ryanair Chase... from the RP" This is a blatant lie. Katie Walsh was the first grade 1 female winner, won the bumper on relegate a year previous Last week it was Plunkett with "betfair hurdle is the richest handicap hurdle in europe " Another blatant lie.the galway hurdle is worth much more Each time these micro racist remarks are made the fuel is put on the english v irish fire, the english dont see it, but Irish people get offended and retaliate. Then theres cobra sam who calls ME "some paddy" , impossible and hibore on here all of whom are regularly anti anything irish I TAKE YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BEST HORSES but when the vast majority are either bred trained or owned by or in Ireland why do the English in particular try to put the Irish down ? |
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When you back from cheltenham on the boat either through holyhead or pembroke often with the victorious , connections, drivers, stable lads , horse boxes and trophys the camaraderie and craic is stupendous. No one ever says anything about giving the english a good stuffing, its all about the horses, the rides and the punting. You couldn't meet a less racist bunch of people who would buy you a pint no matter where you come from.... the last thing on their minds is beating english horses and they have the greatest respect for them. Thats the truth.
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As for sharing sinners
I shared six winners on here last year for people And all you get back is abuse, insults and ridicule ...and you wouldnt mind but the culprits put up three or four in massive essay type posts trying to cover all bases |
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*winners
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come on man,,cheer up,,we all know your a massive patriot who loves himself....but this about the fezzie....RSA what you reckon on the chances of Gallard Du Mensil on at good prices but looked like going elsewhere a while back...come on Irish give me some good news
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I've never got this irish vs britain thing at Cheltenham either. I think the poster the irishone is the only that is worried about, or obsessed about it maybe a more accurate description.
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irishone • February 24, 2022 12:25 AM GMT
When you back from cheltenham on the boat either through holyhead or pembroke often with the victorious , connections, drivers, stable lads , horse boxes and trophys the camaraderie and craic is stupendous. No one ever says anything about giving the english a good stuffing, its all about the horses, the rides and the punting. You couldn't meet a less racist bunch of people who would buy you a pint no matter where you come from.... the last thing on their minds is beating english horses and they have the greatest respect for them. Thats the truth. I'm sure this is the case, so why on earth do you come on here then and start talking about Ireland beating Britain? |
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Frost was the 1st over jumps.
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Is this the Racing Post report in question?
It worked out pretty well, with 23-year-old Frost becoming the first female jockey to win a Grade 1 at the Cheltenham Festival over obstacles. https://www.racingpost.com/news/frost-melts-our-hearts-as-best-friend-frodon-delivers-on-biggest-stage-of-all/371011 That was written by David Jennings, who is, of course, Irish. |
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On upping the Ante you would think he's English the way he drools over some British horse's.DJ the British viewers don't need you to wax about those horse's to keep watching your show.
Mind you if Gavin had a different sidekick even more would watch |
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Your comment there Bent sums up the whole point of the op.
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The same comment was plastered all over the front of u k papers
"Bryony Frost becomes first woman to ride Grade One winner at Cheltenham".... and see what comes up . The post , the standard and the guardian had it on the front page, nothing about jumps or obstacles. |
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Bryony Frost the first G1 winner ... in the headline and, sometimes, qualified as over jumps in the story. It is a fact of life that headlines are necessarily short.
Like in the Standard, as you say, but also in the Irish Independent, the Irish Mirror, and RTE. Bryony Frost makes history as she becomes first female to claim a Grade One at Cheltenham after Ryanair Chase win https://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing/cheltenham/bryony-frost-makes-history-as-she-becomes-first-female-to-claim-a-grade-one-at-cheltenham-after-ryanair-chase-win-37913870.html She also became the first female jockey to ride a top-level winner at the Cheltenham Festival on Frodon in the Ryanair Chase in 2019 https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/horse-racing/bryony-frost-cheltenham-festival-frodon-23703673 Frost becomes first woman to ride a Cheltenham Grade One winner as Frodon clinches Ryanair Chase https://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2019/0314/1036427-frodon-clinches-ryanair-chase-with-gutsy-ride/ So not an anti-Irish conspiracy after all. |
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RAMRUNA .....Whilst I am aware you don't want to endorse prejudice, by highlighting blatant lies as "necessarily short headlines" then denying or disclaiming they were not unfavourable.....maybe It actually suggests they (THE LIES) arise out of prejudice or bigotry.
Laying ...who started colonisation mate ? O k it might not have been the Brits and we appear to have forgiven the greeks, the romans,the vikings etc but after 800 years its nice to get our own back now and then ! |
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@irishone -- I'm not saying they weren't unfavourable, I'm saying that exactly the same "blatant lies" (if you want to call them that) can also can be seen in the Irish media, and I gave three examples, and it is unlikely that Irish papers and the Irish state broadcaster see themselves as part of an anti-Irish conspiracy.
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However, I can see why Irish racegoers queuing for the boat back home might have reacted to the British headlines, if that is all they had seen; they could not realise the Irish media did exactly the same.
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Three things noted here Ramruna.
1. You have dropped the Plunkett micro racist comment from the chat 2. You have no idea how the newspapers between U K and Ireland work,the similar names give it away. 3. Both were blatant lies and thats a fact unfortunately |
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1. I was following your advice in this thread to google the Bryony headline, and came across the Irish examples. I did not google Plunkett's comment, or for that matter the prize money paid by different hurdle races.
2. The similar names do not give it away. The Irish Independent is more than a hundred years old, and its British namesake was founded in the 1980s or 90s. They are not connected. The Mirror, you might have a point except that commercial considerations would suggest it would not spend all its time insulting its readers (and buyers!). RTE is not a newspaper; it is the Irish state broadcaster. 3. They were not "blatant lies" even if they were misleading or even wrong. However, in the context of headlines, understandable, and the Irish media saying the same surely proves it was not some grand anti-Irish conspiracy. |
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I don't think any punter gives two hoots as to the ownership or country of origin .....backing the winner or placed horse is all that matters.
It is an obsession of the media and the 'personalities' who dominate it .....they have no relevance to those of us watch and bet on it ....and are not paid to do so. |
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Ramruna ....you brought up the term "anti-irish conspiracy" not me, you are the only one suggesting it is a conspiracy. I dont think its a conspiracy at all. Never said it was.
Mind you there is so much evidence about to suggest you might be right .... How about boris asking why varadkhar wasn't called murphy like the rest of them ? Or the secret anti-Irish blacklist at Pontins ? How about neil lennons managership of hibs and the problems he has had with micro racism ? And how about your house of parliament coming out with this motion last year ? That this House condemns anti-Irish racism in all its forms; notes that recent reports of anti-Irish and anti-Irish Traveller sentiments are disturbing; further notes the immeasurable contribution to public life of Irish people and recognises the important role Irish culture through language, dance, music and the arts plays in the lives of many people across the UK; recognises that Irish people have made an immensely positive contribution to society on the island of Britain; and urges the Government to do more to protect Irish people from discrimination and to consider bringing forward legislation to enshrine in law those protections. I wonder if they , like you, thought there was a conspiracy ? |
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I dont think its a conspiracy at all.
Clearly all we can do is make people aware of it. You have to realise that the Cheltenham operation is one of the most racist events in the U K ,not just for the Irish but for black people. You wont see a black jockey all week. You will see a disproportionate number of black servers in the restaurents there, I noticed it at the showcase meeting. Bookies want to take euros but the rate is disproprtionate It discriminates against foreign nationals You can count on one hand how many black people you will see at the festival. You have racism in every walk of life, its not conspiratorial in my opinion ,but people are not aware of it. |
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When i say you can count on one hand how many black people you will see at the festival i obviously mean racegoers not employees
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Bookies want to take euros but the rate is disproportionate
SHOCK NEWS: Bookies are greedy |
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True enough ....but it is also discrimination
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To be honest, irishone, I think we can find plenty of reasons to take against the Ingerlish (I distinguish them
from the other British), but racism against us really isn't a big factor. I reckon they quite like us, on the whole. It just makes us look chippy if we choose that as a grievance. I find a lot of Ingerlish arrogant, money-oriented, crass, rude, ignorant, insular, humourless and bigoted....but guess what? I meet people like that here sometimes, as well. And in any other country you care to mention. |
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Yes thats true. As an irishman in Greece I endure racism at least once every week. Its not something that the locals are aware of. They dont even know they are being racist most of the time, but if you mention turks or albanians!!!!! ! You would have expected given the different levels of education , diversity, multi-culture etc....in comparing Greece and the U K that the English would be much further down the road with their awareness of micro racism.
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you should live where i am..the most racist lot ever and the government talks it everyday..anyway back to the horses plz ..all this racist talk and woke brigade bolllllox should be for another forum im sure,,,
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Absolutely
Wouldnt want a thread with such a title to show the U K up for what it is ..... "Nationalism at its worse ? " Try UKRAINE mate |
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Cheltenham Festival,,,getting boring Irish going on and on,,like a worn out record...try to be a lover not a hater
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I am a lover thanks
Not a loser though |
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oioi ,,thats more like it,,,
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Gotta love the BF forum - no danger of navel-gazing around here.
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Quite ironic really that an irishman talks about racism and bigotry. Anyways let's get back to racing.
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No but it is ironic that a poster complaining about British papers printing the same headlines as the Irish media goes on to casually dismiss Greeks as a bunch of backward racists. Motes and beams, motes and beams.
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Thats not true ramruna
I never dismissed greeks Where did I ever dismiss them ? |
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Nice try laying
Have yer pop and get back to racing This thread is about someone not getting the english irish thing at cheltenham |
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As an irishman in Greece
Was this the much less vaunted effort by Sting before he came up with An Englishman in New York? |