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QUALITY AT THE DUBLIN FESTIVAL
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Barnes, to me Cheltenham has 27 races and the Gold Cup. Wouldn’t miss it for the world.
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Fair enough, it’s not really appealed to me since Kauto star was taking on Denman.
Champion hurdle is the one for me, despite all novices nowadays going chasing. |
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Lads you need to realise
That you are witnessing A change in international horse racing Nicky Henderson is the only uk trainer That can stand up to irish dominance ...and lets be fair Some of the best he has are either Irish bred or owned The only trainer left after him Who can stand up to Mullins Is Gordon or if lucky Henry Cheltenham puts ten billion into your economy All the while that the Irish invade Take away the Irish albeit due to a useless BHA .....and the game is gone in the U K |
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thx Irish,,,u got any good news? i like to see the bright side of things,,,from a neutral stand point and not with your green white and orange pants on for once
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If u read between the lines it could be useful,other than this neutral bollax,so many get hung up with these posts rather that learn from them.also some wet themselves when it's an English Arkle fav.
Like you I want winner's but that's the 2nd post along those lines from you so whe is the one hung up with their patriotism |
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The love for the sport should overcome the patriotism, but it doesnt. Read between the lines ....
"Addressing the leaked BHA report into the allegations and the suggestion that this may have prejudiced the hearing, Barker said: "It is an unfortunate fact that the preliminary process has been overshadowed by extraordinary and unprecedented leaks, either one leak or two leaks, of confidential information. "In relation to that, the independent enquiry continues. The fact of that leak has led to both distress and unhelpful speculation." Distress !!!! Hhhmmmm so thats unfair RIGHT ? (To either party) So how does that fit with the infamous integrity review of 2016 where the same BHA stated ... " The BHA does not want itself to be put in a position where somebody is charged , those charges being publicised, and then having those charges withdrawn prior to a hearing. The BHA wants to ensure that investigations are complete, thorough and subject to sufficient checks and balances throughout and certainly prior to charges being issued. The BHA should ensure it is properly cognisant of the impact upon people involved in investigations to ensure fairness is achieved" Ensure fairness is acheived ????? 4. "There are some things which the BHA as racing’s regulator is required to investigate, and it will rightly continue to do that. However it must do so fairly. The BHA must ensure there are systems in place which deliver a rigour in investigations" So where was the rigour in the Dunne case ? 5. "The BHA is determined to learn lessons from these particular cases, and others" So lessons were learnt in 2016 and guess what..... 2021 they have learnt feck all Exactly Bentring ....... Not only on this forum , the BHA the sane |
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Apart from the politics....
Is there annyone on here backing the U K to win the Prestbury Cup ? |
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Everything’s got it’s price!
I can see us winning a minimum of 7, so we just need to pull another 8 out from the back of the sofa ;) |
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really Bent ,,,you dont have a clue about me...I would not lose a seconds sleep if the Irish won every race...i come on here to extract as much info as i can from whoever....its the author who loves to go on about Ireland and how great you are,,,,im English and not lived in old blightey for 21 years......I will be making my first trip in 4 years to see my old my mum with her granddaughter she hasnt seen in 8 years after Chelts...you know what im popping over to the emerald isle to see an old friend in skerries and play some golf....and i backed Italy to beat us in the euro final,,,thats how patriotic i am...good night
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Struck a chord there me thinks and Alan Carr is you're favourite comedian.
One of the worst Saturday cards posted 4.40pm so your not austrailisia and can't be that expensive to get from anywhere else |
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As i said its not about the patriotism
Its about trainers from one country Showing up another country To be poorly organised , lacking leadership and not recognising where this is goung. I can see it happening very quickly as well Something is wrong with the way the game is going in the U K We are all enthusiasts in this sport ,never mind english, scottish or taiwan The U K model is going downhill too quick |
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It has been steady switch that has been going on for a long time.
In the 80s and 90s the best Irish and French horses were bought and put into training with English trainers. In the last 20 years most of the Irish top prospects are bought and kept in traing in Ireland. Even top English owners are having their horses trained in Ireland. Mullins has obviously got very good people working for him spotting top French breds too. French horses are still a very successful breed in the NH game. I think it is a worry that 2 stables are building a monopoly of the top horses. |
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The only thing owner's get out of racing in UK is the bonus of free tickets to some chart stars it isn't prize money.
There needs something done soon from bottom upwards at least 50% increase from lowest band of prize money and in increments the further up you go,this is only way owner's will become involved if they see a possible return for their investment |
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Brandagree with a lot you say
Isnt that steady switch you refer to....been as a result of poor leadership by the bha ? |
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Yes, you're probably right Irish.
One of the major problems imo is there is far too much racing and as a result small fields. In handicaps horses are getting unfairly raised for finishing 3rd or 4th in small fields. Some days you will get 3 or 4 low grade handicaps where if you had fewer meetings these horses would all be in one race. Resulting in horses running off a fair mark. |
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bent,,,bent bent,,you are a comedian,,,whos alan carr ffs just googled him ,never heard of him....it was a poor saturday card was it not? im in the land of ladyboys,,u should try might put a smile on your face,,,,Emirates just rebooked my flight from march 20...covid benty boy,,thats the reason ,coming back here is a right pain in the arris (haha}
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How does the prize money compare between England and Ireland?
I had a quick look at Exeter and Punchestown yesterday. Didn't seem much between them. I do not think anyone buys a horse thinking prize money will give them a return on investment. |
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Irish prize money far greater than English , but two things are at play
Firstly the exchange rate. Secondly the governments involved. Snowflake politicians in U K dont want to lose the anti votes. Irish government supports horse racing . |
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99% owners don’t go into horse racing expecting to make money or worry about prize money either side of the Irish Sea. Very few make any money at all….how much does JP lose per year ?
I was at Seven Barrows yesterday seeing my two horses there. Took my mum and my daughter who both had a fantastic time. Even though the monthly fees can be very very expensive it’s worth every penny. Nicky Henderson and his wife are great hosts. |
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Did you get a selfie
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Surprised the Irish didn't send anything over to plunder the Betfair Hurdle
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Nicky wanted a picture but I told him I didn’t want the publicity.
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Correct bentring
The better prizemoney has led to an increase in english owners buying horses and stabling them in Ireland. Also by passes the tax problems since brexit. What I really laugh at is some of the idiots in the racing clubs, I know one pays £99 a month in johnjo oneils racing club and then calls all his entries "my horse" .....hardly owns the lip hair off any of them ! Then a few weeks later they find out a horse was only leased to the club...and its gone back to its previous owner. Then you go to a little off the beaten path track and there's a mob of club/syndicate owners taking selfies in the paddock and the jockey comes in and times it so he doesnt have to talk to the half pi55ed gang, jumps on the horse and fecks off to the track a s a p. |
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I hate to agree with Irishone but owners group and similar racing clubs are near criminal with the 7000 shares @ £55 for a £40k horse for ONE Year ! Then pay again in year two….
Imagine they are run by same companies that do payday loans. Plenty of mugs out there. |
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Speaking of which ....1.01 nap landed...fetch the keepnet bentring
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Well done Irish. You can have another £1 on PTKO at 10/1 for the Champion Chase.
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Shes biting tonight !
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TYPICAL EXAMPLE....
Day one of the Cheltenham Festival could be a memorable one for the 22 owners in Middleham Park Racing’s Marie’s Rock as she teed up a tilt at the Close Brothers Mares’ Hurdle with Listed-race success. The Nicky Henderson-trained seven-year-old was badly hampered early in the Lanzarote last time but bounced back to her best when beating Get A Tonic and 2020 winner Indefatigable in the Virgin Bet Warwick Mares’ Hurdle. Marie’s Rock, who was cheered on by 13 of her owners, was shortened to 12-1 (from 20) for the Mares’ Hurdle with Paddy Power and will also have an entry in the Coral Cup, for which she was cut to 16-1 (from 33) with the sponsors"D 22 owners......13 probably pi55ed up in the paddock hardly own a fetlock yet everyone would say theY owned the horse! Like to know how many get in the cheltenham paddock l o L The only real owner is Tom Palin, partner and National Hunt manager for Middleham Park Racing. .....and he thinks the mares hurdle is wide open ....PMSL |
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22 is quite a lot for Middleham but good luck to them. They will all make a few bob when she retires whatever she does at Cheltenham.
How many horses do you have running at Cheltenham? Sounds like jealously to me. |
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Do they get a share in prize money? If so, I’d say it was partially there horse.
I must admit I got involved in a syndicate over Christmas just to see what’s it’s like as I thought it would be fun and something new. It was just a cheap Christmas present which only cost £100 all in with no monthly fees so I wasn’t expecting much. I did a bit of research into trainers that I rate, but they were a few grand a pop to get involved in their syndicates but sometimes you get what you pay for. I was interested in Elliotts, but the syndicate are only leasing horses starting off in bumpers and maidens in the first season, so I had my doubts that I’d see the horse at the track much, plus this was for one horse which was something like £169. For my money I get video updates on the gallops of the current horses involved in the syndicate which is five or six, mainly younger horses, emails of current entries, and a video on the morning of a raceday that the syndicate has a runner with the trainers thoughts. Besides that, the jockey riding it is interviewed on his thoughts of the race. A ballot is also available to attend the racecourse when one of the horses run. I’ve not attended any yet, but it’s seems decent enough for what you pay. Obviously with it costing just £100, you don’t get any prize money for that, have no say in where the horse runs, or any future plans. From looking back, I think any horses that turn out good, get moved to an existing owner in the yard pretty quickly, and funds from this sale are distributed back into the training of the current syndicate horses and the purchase of a replacement. It’s given me an insight though, but I doubt I’ll renew. I have a list of poor trainers in my head to buy horses off, send them to someone decent and watch their handicap marks rocket, but need to get a decent multiple up to get that plan off the ground and plot it’s way upwards. Everyone has a dream, and that’s mine! |
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England, the 22 owners have purchased the horse for £60k between them (min 2.5% share) and pay £1,200 minimum to have it trained per year. Most owners will have double that. Yes they get the prize money and actually own the horse to sell for breeding once the racing is over.
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It’s £93 per month per 2.5% share you own. That covers training and vet bills all in.
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There are muppets about who say "my horse" or "i own horses" , 1\20th they actually own, others think 12% gives the ownership ....clueless
They actually believe they have a say in what or where the horse is going to run in. Fact is the clubs aint running the clubs for nothing. You can get a horse trained in Ireland for 1700E a month (about 1500 sterling).. You can go and see it whenever you want, have it in your back yard when its racing is done.... And when the trainer gives you the nod you can ask him to give you his money to put on your horse ......then you know you know ! This mickey mouse jackdaws castle and the three black spots club are money down a black hole |
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are you suggesting Irish racing is crooked?
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If you pay £15k - £20k towards a horse I think most normal people would think you can say you own a percentage of it.
You didn’t answer how many horses you have running at Cheltenham? By the way your favourite horse is owned by a syndicate. What an Idiot. |
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Cobra, Irish racing is straight. It’s just horses held up 50 lengths of the lead in their first 3 runs improve 30-40lbs when running in their first handicap. Irish Horse racing authority is run by amateurs. Just ask Ruby !
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You live with a racehorse everyday sam you know when its up for it. I never took a count of the number of trainers in Ireland that have said "it will run well" before the race and acted surprised after losing the race, but I am sure it is just as common in the U K as it is in Ireland. Owners ......should be privy to good information ,thats the difference. You tell the muppet racing club members and the price goes, if the horse wins the trainer "to the stewards room" call comes just as much in Ireland as it does in u k..... Integrity in u k is just as much a joke as it is in Ireland.....
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If not straight throw the book at them eg Hong Kong. No 2nd chance as deterrent.
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The book aint got many pages left in it
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