Supreme.

Can't see Sir Gerhard staying the Ballymore trip. I'd worry about Dysart Dynamo getting worked up in the Supreme preliminaries but again am not sure about the Ballymore. I'd think about Kilcruit for the Ballymore but that would not solve the SG/DD problem.

Interesting that Nicky Henderson on the Unibet preview said Jonbon and Constitution Hill would both go for the Supreme but then seemed to walk back slightly, presumably because JP will make the final decision.

Market shouting
Sir G Ballymore 2.9  against 9.0 SUpreme
Dysart Dynamo 5.1 Supreme    10.0 Ballymore with no one wanting to back.

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"Nothing will jump better than Jonbon IMO....a hurdler that is aided by the obstacles, flicks over them and lads running just like a speed 2 miler should do"

Duffy been riding out for poison nicky ?

One thing is for sure Walsh is going to of put plenty of people away if mullins runs all 3 in supreme. No doubt making plenty in the process

Mullins' 3 rnrs have different owners.
A trainer of his standing knows where
they're running by now,surely.

I remember the capers before with appreciate it last year, champagne fever, vautour when the same thing occurre putting everyone away for the ballymore before declaring for supreme.

If the older members know the caper, then I’d say his boy will be on kilcruit townend on sir Gerard and the other Mullins on Dysart.

What I despise is the putting people away, when it’s clear none of them want 2m5f at this stage…Walsh one of the most filthiest in the game for putting people away like he is doing here. We will see I suppose but like you say penzance, he knows where they are running just likes to control people. Must be an ego thing

Actually hope they all go. WOuld be the best Supreme ever including Diana Ross.

Will be a great race Geoff I agree. We will see but waiting is just annoying especially when most know, they should all be running here. Will he end up with egg on his face, if he doesn’t win it

At least de bromhead conducts himself in a proper manor in regards races, although I doubt he’ll be pleased the ground drying for the kettle horse, that’s one horse I’d change to the mares race just for her chances myself

Early on wasn't there a rumour that Cheveley Park were much more interested in winning a Supreme than Bally?

What has Ruby said that would constitute "putting people away"?

Mullins does not feel obliged to consider the punter in any of his decisions, never has done and Walsh has stated long since, in as many words that he has little or no consideration to the average punter.

What would be a better example to hammer them with should it transpire rather than the Supreme would be if Galopin ended up in the RSA, because that's what Mullins intimated at after the DRF because he was concerned that the faster race might undo his jumping as he was sticky at a couple at Leopardstown. However, Walsh has been constant in pushing for the Turner's and apparently now Mullins is agreeing.

Agree Duffy. Walsh has been banging the Turners drum since his debut. If he was to switch to the RSA it would be another one to add to their catalogue of shafting the punter.
Walsh has also been telling everyone who cares to listen that Sir Gerhard is all speed.

I take all their comments with a pinch of salt.

Geoff..... Best Supreme since Diana Ross

agree wi geoff best supreme since diana ross .im still waiting for a descision from willie as to who he runs here could trigger a chain reaction in the markets when he does confirm.

Very good Foyles:

Rang Willie to see which horses are running where .On phone ages .I told him You Keep Me Hanging On.

What has Ruby said that would constitute "putting people away"?

Walsh has been banging the drum that Mullins will definitely split the horses, when it is clear they are all supreme horses judging by the campaigns they have all had.

If he doesn’t split them, Walsh has clearly put everyone away by constantly saying they will be split

Ruby Walsh says…

“Dysart Dynamo and Sir Gerhard are the two that are deadly split, they are the ones to ride, and they will be split.

“I believe whichever one goes to the Ballymore [Novices Hurdle] will win it. But whichever one runs here [at Cheltenham] might win. They Ballymore is much weaker race.”

“I think this is a cracking race, as people have already said.”

“I think if Dysart Dynamo were to run here, this race is made for him.”

Agree Harry to do right by the horses they should run here S>G /Dysart /kilcruit  .Wonder if Mullins/Townend will put potential personal ambition/financial gain against whats doing right by the hosses.

Geoff I’m not being negative but this is the biggest jump meeting of the year and personally I hate the skullduggery. We should be talking of what a great race it is, instead we can’t put a book together with now 6 days left because Walsh, Mullins want to put people away.

I’ll be Frank, I think they are all going to run in the supreme. Just hate not being able to form a book while watching them rob the cash out of both markets on Walsh’s say so.

We will see, the rsa backers done their money, by the look of it already

Found it quite easy to make a book if your willing to trade/hedge it .As been fluctuating all over the place.

Taking a view where they run(and sticking with it) can turn out to be high risk.

Personally hope they all run likewise as ive laid(i.e worst results) S>G/Dysart/Kilcruit and Constitution for Ballymore.

Fair play Geoff…not done anything myself I got my ass bitten last year with appreciate it going for ballymore. Ferny hollow scuppered the bet I'm afraid. The problem for Mullins this year with splitting the horses, is he has legitimate dangers unlike last year, which makes his decision this time much tougher imo and he could end up with nothing if he spots the wrong horses.

Splits

Why would horse race trainers have any consideration for the punters.

Get yerself a few thoroughbreds and train them , then see who you worry about

Why would horse race trainers have any consideration for the punters.

Cheltenham is a spectacle, do you believe the control he now has over racing in Ireland and now Britain is for the good of the sport Irishone?

You can understand the difficulty in trying to appease owners /Jockey and his own ambitions.

Making a decision this far in advance can all change with the weather.

Making a clear definitive staement what goes where and then all change with the weather we would be accusing him of putting us punters away.

@ the heart of it they should do what they truly beleive is right for each horse. Which is not always the case.

The problem he has is his best 3 novices in one race.
He talks of Sir Gerard as tho he will be looking to keep him as a hurdler next year. Which would obviously be Champion Route.
And therefore would you want to put him over 2m5f this year.Altho he believes he would stay.

Dysart (would be amazed if he went Ballymore the way he tanked @ PUnchestown and hacked up)

Kilcruit again be amazed if he went Ballymore.

Albeit im sure all will be left in the Ballymore @ latest decs when it reopens later today
Just to add further confusion /speculation

If they where in different yards its a no brainer.

Well @ least Nickys made it clear that Jonbon & Constituion are SUpreme bound by removing them from Ballymore.
Willie will keep us guessing till SUpreme decs sunday morning.

Obviously whichever horse of Mullins doesn't run in the Supreme will no doubt start a chain reaction.

very good Duffy. But i doubt Willie will go solo like Diana.



Sir Gerard into 5/4 2.2 here for Ballymore and weak around 9.6 for Supreme

Think we can assume now that SG is Ballymore bound.

I think it’s fair to assume Gordon Elliott also has the same information. After all Ginto gone from 4/1 to 36/1 in one day for the ballymore

aint no mountain high enough to keep willie from  running sir gerhard in the ballymore .

fair play to willie he said" im coming out" and telling the punters sir g goes ballymore !

Come Wednesday we will have Reflections of whether hes made the right decision or not.

hope i dont sleep in and miss the supreme ,told the missus to touch me in the morning soon as the alarm clock goes off.

Beats waking up to an alarm clock Foyles

If you have a good 1st day tell her im just off out to get Stoned Love.

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hope i dont sleep in and miss the supreme ,told the missus to touch me in the morning




Bet you dont tell her to Stop In The Name Of love.

no i said baby love just make sure ya wake me!

Hope it wasn't before you go-go

Bentring, think you may have gone off topic

Each horse should only be able to enter one race at the 5 day entry stage.


So fed up with the trainers aiding bookmakers, it has to stop.

To Harry callaghan

"Cheltenham is a spectacle"

Give us a break. Its only a spectacle because willie, gordon and henry turn up.

Its racist, overcrowded and well capable of killing good horses.

There is nothing spectacular about it. Punchestoen, dublin snd galway are far in sdvance in terms of quality..... The beer is overpriced , the food is crapp and you cant get about.

What fcking tripe

If its so crap why do the Irish keep coming back year after year. Ask Willie and Gordon if they'd rather have a cheltenham winner or a Punchestown winner, rofl.

Its like your.cup final. Used to be a spectacle but now even the best clubs dont put their best teams out. Nichols avoids it, best jockey in UK doesnt want to ride there. Your epsom derby was touted as a spectacle now its a run of the mill saturday afternoon meeting.

You ask anyone who has been to cheltenham the last twenty years has it got better.....its pvercrowded now more than ever.

Recently they have had fights breaking out, fellahs pi55ing pver balconies,bands playing during racing and a tented dhopping centre open all day. Geysers stripping off in the guinness village.The number one reason the irish come is the prizemoney.Dont kid yerself about honour or tradition.

Like a lot of events with big crowds there is a sense of mob rule and anything goes. I get the members badge given to me some years and dont use it because the bars are.overcrowded and you cant get about comfortably. The boxes used to be ok but even they get mobbed now with people that are npt interested in the horses .

The course itself is unsafe. There are horse deaths there year after year. .....whats spectacular about that ?

and you was excited yesterday...nothing stays the same ,everything is constant....the whole world revolves around the mighty dollar thesedays...ive not been to the festival for 20 years and it was chaos back then..u got me all melancholy now....

9 declared no Sir Gerard

SG goes to the Ballymore

Disappointing small field.  I remember when there were as many as 30 runners in the first race on day one.  It was a great spectacle with all the jocks trying to get to the front of the line before the tapes went up.
Big fields used to help us ante post layers, with all the hard luck stories.
If most of these races cut up like this one, I will be lucky to get through the week without a net loss.

Nine runners: three trained by Willie; two by Nicky. Sir Gerhard would have won.

sir g be evens here can't believe he's not here

Nitty gritty from irish which is never ever aired by the media.
I went to the Grand National one year and, glad to have experienced it once,  vowed never again.  Customer convenience and comfort is so far away from their raison d'etre you wonder how they all put up with it.
I have to say I stopped punting at Cheltenham years and years ago, particularly a/p. An absolute lottery.  I look now for good performances with a view to Aintree.  Got me Minnehoma one year - with the emphasis on one year! 
Good luck to all.

Yep did 15 years Chelts annual members till 2005 , never regretted not going since then .

Well I’m looking forward to going again all week. Agree it’s overcrowded in most places but festival lounge which is about £30 per day gives you plenty of room, uncrowned bar and plenty of seats.

Uncrowded bar*

What a disappointing turn out with only 9 runners? Imagine if the Festival is over 5 days? I hope I've picked the correct one of Hendo ie location of Buckingham Palace.

jonbon avenue?

reckon my sat nav would get a headache trying to find that

Constitution Hill where most of the London sewage rats chill-out.

This race has been billed as a Supreme of the ages.

In most years the Supreme winner has gone into the race with an official rating of 150+. This year only Dysart Dynamo is rated over 150.

A lot of the pretenders are being judged on visual rather substance.

I have struggled to get a handle on the form and to tie the contenders to each other.

I am happy to sit this race out and see what the clock tells us regarding the actual going.

What a performance..
Not going to say I told you so, but I told you so

Well done Strontium.
And well the owner Michael Buckley.  Such a courteous man in interview and his five decades in the game entitle him to this great success.

Well done winners
Willie must have an insider in nickys place
Dysart was fired u p, the chesnut put gordons away in the paddock.
Sir gerhard v constitution .....the next champion chase battle ?

The 2023 hotpot is Facile Vega touted as very good, and laid back. It's been mentioned in the same vein as Douvan. Home and hosed then? At the moment seasonal outing and race is a bit of an unknown too.

Facile Vega is making his hurdling debut at Gowran this saturday - the same debut race as Douvan!

That was Impressive very nimble over a hurdle Facile ahead of the rest at the minute

Facile Vega had a gallop and romped home with an easy win at Fairyhouse. He's 5/4 (best) with bookies; 3 hotpots on day one at Cheltenham ie Facile Vega, Jonbon and Constitution Hill. Will all obliged? The prices are stinky though.

i wouldn't disagree with you regarding constitution hill and jonbon . jonbon has shown a vigour for fences that will get him lengths and a un-worried attitude , that adds lbs to his physical efforts over hurdles , he's a natural . If you look at last years supreme we had a 22l length winner going off at 9-4 trained by nicky henderson . Your looking wrong at the supreme 123 , their wont be any value in the irish runners  . prolly the tolworth hurdle will reveal our chances , but , english hurdlers in general will be over-priced .

I agree Facile Vega is no value and one cannot back him on his own; Constitution Hill started 9/4jf because of Dysart Dynamo (jf/Mr Mullins' hotpot). The latter ran his customary race ie freely.

I think Facile Vega is a different kettle of fish, but no value though.

It wouldnt be the first time willie has turned up with a good un that didn't win the supreme....

Dysart last year was over cooked , getabird, melon,min, all came hyped up .....all lost

What about those that won vautour Douvan klassical dream champagne fever appreciate it,they can't all win Dysart wasn't a hotpot,getabird I wouldn't have thought was expected,melon came off the flat which doesn't have a great record in the race and min suffered an overreach against a good horse in altior

Tahmuras looks well above average but he needs another run before the Supreme. His jumping was mostly OK but he made a couple of mistakes late on and then he hung left from the last so not the finished article.

Looks capable of maybe winning at Perth

If the jockey is riding top class horses every day, when he gets excited about one I listen.

Good man keep on listening,even timeform rated the win as the lowest rated this century,and to my eye's I thought something similar as a couple didn't perform but it could improve,but with Nicholls it was probably trai Ed to the minute

I worry about his greenness from the turn in with 2 mistakes and then hanging badly but with more experience he will be at least 10 lbs better than that. The second and third were totally unexposed so until they run again, who can possibly judge them? They were from relatively unfashionable yards and had only won minor novice races but that happens all the time when horses move up in class.

What's the latest with American Mike? is he injured? is he gone? he's a forgotten horse now but I'd run him in this race, he didn't get home last time off a decent pace upped in trip.

If he's still in the game then 33's for this race represents a fair e/w shot imo

that bumper face vega apart how has it worked out ?

Impaire Et Passe ran well today. Could they switch Facile Vega
to the Ballymore to let Impaire Et Passe run in the Supreme maybe?

The owners also have Dark Raven who is unbeaten in 3.

If he books his ticket for the festival, I would imagine they would like to keep their horses apart.

I think its telling what Ruby said about FV. ''I thought Facile Vega was very good at Fairyhouse in a pretty bog-standard maiden hurdle. He couldn’t have been any more impressive than he was and we know how good he was in bumper races last season. David Porter rides him every morning at home and he’s very happy with him, he looks well.

He was workman-like more than spectacular at Leopardstown over Christmas but he got the job done when stepped up to Grade One company. He made a mistake or two, but I was glad to see him do that, he’ll learn from those errors and improve for that.



I don’t love to see Novices go to Cheltenham absolutely foot perfect because somewhere along the way they’re going to get it wrong. You’d like to see them make a mistake before they get there. Facile Vega made two at Christmas, he’ll have learned from that and improve from it. Knowing Willie Mullins, Facile Vega will improve.

He’d have had him ready enough to win his maiden hurdle, he’ll have improved for Christmas, he’ll have him better again by the Dublin Racing Festival with the aim of being better by Cheltenham in March. He’s doing everything Willie has asked him to do, but I don’t think he’s near turned a screw with him yet.''

Has Jet Powered lost a leg? His price resembles the attraction of a holiday in Ukraine at the moment. Or has bookie-friend Hendo intimated with his sponsor after his participation here? The horse was 7/1 here prior to Hendo's intelligent race-planning despite atrocious ground at Newbury the last time.

Impossible - thats some drift from 7/1 second fav to 180 after one run where it clearly didnt run its race. My guess is its not going to Chelt :) Dont need to be Mystic Meg to know that one. However this is a classic example of insider trading, from people not taking opinion but someone who knows for sure.

Only 14/1 (war) with 'billie'. How can a horse that was 2nd fav, then ran no race next time because of atrocious ground (according to trainer) can be 150 here?; the same race was won by Shishkin and Altior previously, I think.

I'd tend to agree. He ain't be showing up here (at the moment).

This is what it says about the race on Racing Post."  Raced freely, raced in second, shaken up before 2 out, ridden after 2 out, soon outpaced and no chance with winner, weakened run-in (trainer could offer no explanation for the poor form shown) (op 30/100)"

Still doesn't explain such a drift though  so not going to Cheltenham seems the logical answer

it would be monster value at 180 if it was a runner based on just one bad run - but as i said its obviously not running

they have realised he is not good enough or may have picked up an injury ,havent looked but have  the owners got anything else for this mullins also has plenty for these connections .

It is Mrs J Donnelly, who also has the Mullins trained Parmenion, which is a general 33/1, including NRNB.

think its dec day today so we will see who has come out .

Decs are out and he is still there. But not many, if any drppped out.

When Jet Powered made his debut at Newbury, after he jumped the last I thought his stride shortened considerably. He looked out on his feet. Nico looked over his shoulder and saw he was clear of the field and let his trot home.
On his second start at Newbury he travelled powerfully until asked to quicken where he went from cruising to his stride shortening again and just plodded home.

Maybe he has a breathing issue as he was highly regarded at the start of the season.

Nicky Henderson, trainer of Luccia and Jet Powered
Luccia would be a possibility, she should really ought to be running in the mares' novice hurdle, but we'll certainly have her in the Supreme and see what else we've got. Jet Powered was disappointing at Newbury and he's just having a bit of a break, I'm not sure about him right now.

Hendo speaks for his sponsor. 1.000000000001 chance Luccia runs here.

Diverge 50/1?.?

Hope you took the price Cry ….been well punted this week matched on machine @15 the low,,,funny enough Willie Mullins mule

i think that the mullins and elliott yards will identify their top two , so no point trawling . from uk perspective i like scriptwriter , tahmuras won the trial i like , but , he was a very fit horse and nicholls - skelton yard have been hoovering up the domestic money because they,ve ceded the festival to the irish . scriptwriter may improve , theirs a feeling its going irish though isn't their

He will go to the triumph, no?

just been looking through the adonis and it has bags of potential , looks a very strong race . scriptwriter may well fold in that ,or he comes out a very likely winner of the triumph . I  don't know where he will be aimed as he has entry in both the triumph and the supreme , but , i think your right based on the odds that he will go triumph brandy .

Personally I thought he would gave been perfect for the boodles.

Rated 132. Needs to produced late off a strong pace. Ideal race.

They obviously think he is a group 1 horse

I think Doctor Bravo of Elliots is well over priced in a now open Supreme. Ran a super race @ Gowran saturday behind Fil Dor & Sharjah beaten about 1 1/2 lengths was travelling better than winner(same ownership) approaching 2nd last before making a complete horlicks of it. Would have gone close to winning and still looks green .Improving all the time. The other 3 of Caldwell Construction entered Landrake probably go Coral Cup or Ballymore . Whilst Imagine probably get a reasonable mark in County Hurdle.Sa Fureur again Coral CUp or Ballymore. American Mike his only other option will be Coral Cup would have thought.

Definitely looks a nice prospect, Geoff.

Hard to get a gauge on that race last week as they absolutely walked the fist 12f.