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Starting up the Gold Cup thread to share thoughts for the big one in March.

Minella, Galvin and Chantry have all had a run and performed well enough. The Betfair Chase looks a cracker if they all turn up and King George likewise.

Not sure when APT will surface but expect it will be around Xmas.

Any early thoughts 4 months out ?
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Report brandyontherocks January 6, 2022 10:04 PM GMT
Only didn't mention Galvin is because his price is about right now.
I think Protektorat will run in either the Cotswold Chase or the Denman. A good performance there will see him cut I would think.
Report The Dragon January 7, 2022 12:21 PM GMT
Ruby thinks al Boum will win it im on at 16/1Cool
Report The Dragon January 7, 2022 12:22 PM GMT
btw brandy is spot onCool
Report impossible123 January 8, 2022 7:46 AM GMT
I think Protektorat has been flatted by his drubbing of Native River who's been retired immediately after. I believe Protekorat needs to improve at least 10lbs to be considered a serious contender for this race. Another Chantry House perhaps, but Chantry Horse does have a proven superior CV at Cheltenham.
Report irishone January 8, 2022 9:19 AM GMT
Another year where you can forget anything trained in England
Report brandyontherocks January 10, 2022 10:48 PM GMT
PriceWise on the Gold Cup tomorrow
Report brandyontherocks January 10, 2022 10:48 PM GMT
PriceWise on the Gold Cup tomorrow
Report Hibore January 10, 2022 11:10 PM GMT
Tom put up Protektorat 12/1
Report Bentring January 10, 2022 11:29 PM GMT
Protektorat has 'serious chance' in Cheltenham Gold Cup says owner John Hales.
So had one man John
Report Ramruma January 11, 2022 3:18 PM GMT
Will Protektorat get the trip? He has been mainly campaigned at two and a half miles, although he did of course win over 3m1f last time out, beating the soon-to-be retired Native River.
Report irishone January 11, 2022 5:16 PM GMT
Every year its the same, instead of listening to fred knowall why not do your own research, watch the races and form your own opinions ?

Tipsters got lucky once, they live off that.

If you knew of a guarenteed winner the last thing you would do is tell the world.
Report SHROPSHIRELAD January 11, 2022 6:45 PM GMT
A PLUS TARD for me

I think he should have won it last year, as good as Rachel undoubtedly is I don’t think she had her finest hour in last years race, at one point she tried to take him through a gap that wasn’t there and I also think think she put him wrong at two of the fence.
Report SHROPSHIRELAD January 11, 2022 6:45 PM GMT
A PLUS TARD for me

I think he should have won it last year, as good as Rachel undoubtedly is I don’t think she had her finest hour in last years race, at one point she tried to take him through a gap that wasn’t there and I also think think she put him wrong at two of the fence.
Report FOYLESWAR January 12, 2022 10:08 AM GMT
some of us do form our own opinions irish .anyway ruby mentioned al boom photo so its cut to 10/1 from 16/1 tom seagull puts up protectorat and its into 10s or 12s i gave it a mention a while back at 20s whatever value has gone now  cant see much value left in the race  atm ante post so prob wait until the day of race .
Report brandyontherocks January 12, 2022 10:38 AM GMT
I think most people on here would fo their own opinions,  I agree Foyles.
Interesting thing said on that podcast with Barry Geraghty and a fella called Tony, on how much value you can still get on the weekend before the meeting compared with SPs
Report FOYLESWAR January 12, 2022 12:09 PM GMT
yes just watched that brandy worth bearing in mind.
Report FOYLESWAR January 12, 2022 12:12 PM GMT
yeah i shudda said will  wait till the 2 day stage , non runner no bet will come into it and most will get cut again in the next 3 or 4 weeks .
Report irishone January 12, 2022 7:08 PM GMT
Whats galvin done wrong ?

Is it because hes irish ?

Will the haters be out seething for gordon ?

This horse was pointed out as the Irish bankerlast year

Ignored by most..... Would have thought we would have learned
Report brandyontherocks January 12, 2022 9:28 PM GMT
Nothing wrong with him as far as I'm concerned.
Report Ramruma January 13, 2022 10:13 AM GMT
Galvin is a best-priced 5/1 second favourite. In what sense has he been ignored?
Report Hibore January 13, 2022 11:46 AM GMT
I’ve backed Galvin after the 2nd to Frodon.

He’s one of only four individual AP bets covering all of Cheltenham I’ve made this year. I’d normally have 30 or 40 bets covering 8-10 horses on average by now.

Their is little to no value in any race. Worst year ever. Might as well wait till day of the race than risk horse not running.
Report FOYLESWAR January 13, 2022 2:09 PM GMT
the 4 championship races are non runner no bet but prices have been cut accordingly agree the firms are taking the pish!
Report saxon farm January 13, 2022 4:00 PM GMT
Not 365 who are NRNB BOG.
If you can get on?
Report irishone January 19, 2022 5:14 AM GMT
This b365 crowd
Are they actually a bookmakers in the uk
Do they have shops like hi1ls and laddys ??
Report penzance January 19, 2022 2:07 PM GMT
online only,they used to have a decent phone
service,scrapped it for some reason.
Report irishone January 19, 2022 5:17 PM GMT
thnx penzance
Report sixtwosix January 20, 2022 3:54 PM GMT
I too fancy Protektorat and backed him some time ago and the outsider I fancy (no idea if he going here or Aintree) is Fiddlerontheroof.
Report irishone January 21, 2022 4:38 AM GMT
Too many too close in the paddy power finish for me
Irish Grade one chasers rarely finish in a maul like that
First eight within six lengths ?
Sign of poor quality

And generally speaking Irish
Well ahead of the English at this stage
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 January 21, 2022 9:36 AM GMT
Not sure about that Irishone, it can happen on the old course as you are always on the turn, making it sometimes harder to win from off the pace.
Protectorat was mid div when blundering with one lap to go, so will of been given time over a fence or two before starting to try and improve position.
You also need to factor in the Paddy Power is 6 furlongs shorter and on less of a stamina sapping course.

The negative then and in the Gold cup will be Harry Skelton is I’ll happily back his horses away from Cheltenham but try to stay away from him due to his judgement of pace at HQ.

Another negative is if Protektorat holds his form this season, unlike last, gaps between races could help this though and you’d hope 7 and 6 weeks between Aintree, to Cotswold chase, to the Gold Cup would resolve this.
Report irishone January 21, 2022 10:53 AM GMT
"It can happen on the old course because you are always on the turn"

Can tell you have never walked it mate.
Try chester or galway first if you want to be on the turn "always"
Report sixtwosix January 21, 2022 3:57 PM GMT
He finished strongly in the MAckeson under a big weight and then hacked up at Aintree.
Report duffy January 21, 2022 4:29 PM GMT
Thinly veiled I'm old commentWink
Report buddeliea January 22, 2022 7:19 AM GMT
Think Protek going straight to Cheltenham now will help his cause.
Hes done nothing but improve for stepping up in distance, and is now rewarding his connections for the patience they have showed with him, big player imo.
Chantry House is another whose improved for the step up in distance, and should be ideally suited to the Gold Cup conditions, as opposed to Kempton.Hes performed well at Cheltenham and i expect him to perform well again.
Fiddler ran a good race in the RSA, and again in the Ladbroke this season, and is an interesting outsider.
Really not sure about MI this year, but i do expect him to bounce back from the run at Kempton.
APT has an obvious chance,and must surely go close.
The one they all have to beat is Galvin imo.
Hes absolutely tailor made for a Gold Cup, in form and goes straight to Cheltenham now.

To be honest it looks a cracker to me this year, and whilst i think Galvin wins, i would not be shocked if either of last years 1st and 2nd won, and if Protek, CH and Fiddler continue to improve i can see either of those figuring in the finish.
Report irishone January 22, 2022 11:22 AM GMT
I find its just the same as last year.
Been on galvin since last year but on the day it could be any one of four or five
Its a typical irish grade one.
Report sixtwosix January 22, 2022 8:39 PM GMT
Galvin , Protektorat or Fiddlerontheroof ....the winner likely to come from these three imo.
Report irishone January 22, 2022 11:17 PM GMT
Fiddler on the roof ?

PMSL Tizzards one dont get three miles
Report irishone January 22, 2022 11:24 PM GMT
I see it was running on in a grade 3 handicap , the mildmay,three.mile two on a flat track good to soft, I doubt Tizzard has got the cheek to actually run it in the Gold Cup
Report sixtwosix January 23, 2022 6:15 PM GMT
PMSL Tizzards one dont get three miles

I must have imagined it staying on strongly in the Hennessey ......
Report duffy January 23, 2022 8:46 PM GMT
Don't see the Tizzard horse being good enough to topol the big guns.
Report irishone January 23, 2022 10:29 PM GMT
sixtwosix • January 23, 2022 6:15 PM GMT
PMSL Tizzards one dont get three miles

I must have imagined it staying on strongly in the Hennessey

Never won over 20f, not even P2P , lot of difference between h/cap chases and Grade 1s, second to next destination over 24f on heavy .....has to be on the real improve !
Report sixtwosix January 24, 2022 9:13 AM GMT
lot of difference between h/cap chases and Grade 1s

Denman ,  Burrough Hill Lad , Bregawn , Miil House , Arkle .....all ran in the Hennessey .....

The race is not strong this year.
Minello Indo has gone sideways , As Plus Tard does not stay 26 furlongs , As Plus Tard had his day , Chantry House has it all t0 prove ....

Galvin and Protektorat are the most likely winners , Fiddlerontheroof may not be good enough as you say ......but he is the only entrant at a price who could win imo.
Report sixtwosix January 24, 2022 9:14 AM GMT
As Plus Tard had his day... I meant Al Boum Photo
Report paulo47 January 24, 2022 9:42 AM GMT
One Man won a Hennessy too , and ..... Florida Pearl won four Irish Hennessys , and ....but we wont know until he tries .
Report Bentring January 24, 2022 9:55 AM GMT
626 think you're getting G1 horses running in h'caps and handicappers running in G1's
Report Bentring January 24, 2022 9:56 AM GMT
^^mixed up
Report The Sawyer January 24, 2022 11:26 AM GMT

One Man only had 10 stone and was rated 130 ish

& the Irish Hennessey as was wasn't a handicap
Report penzance January 24, 2022 12:17 PM GMT
Jodami was btn off of just 10-2 in the Hennessy.
If he runs I think Al Boum Photo will win this
for the 3rd time.
Report penzance January 24, 2022 12:27 PM GMT
A Plus Tard was only btn over 1L in this last year,
how don't he stay the trip?
Beat Al Boum Photo and was also miles in front of
Native River.Horse stays 26F.
Report Bentring January 24, 2022 1:58 PM GMT
Relax penzance we know he stays
Report irishone January 25, 2022 5:29 AM GMT
Your reliance upon handicap chase form in the UK was one of the weaknesses pointed out by the BHA in their report after last year's festival debacle.

Whilst you proudly point towards native river, denman snd bobsworth  as hennesey winners in the last 20 odd years wining gold cups you by pass the reasoning of the BHA.

The Irish are running in Grade 1's now level weights. What I should have done was added "Irish" grade ones. My apologies.
Report sageform January 25, 2022 7:30 PM GMT
Jodami had daft rides in the Hennessy and his second Gold Cup. He could gallop all day and when ridden by a conditional in a bumper and hurdles he just went from the front and had everything beaten by half way and won by 20 lengths every time. Mark Dwyer for some reason always held him up and he had no finishing speed. When he won the Gold Cup, the Pipe horse went a mad pace and only Jodami could live with him so all Jodami had to do was keep galloping when the leader ran out of gas. The next year there were about 10 horses on the bridle 3 out including the very slow Topsham Bay so Jodami got beaten by The Fellow who had a good turn of foot. Ridden from the front I don't think he would ever have been beaten.
Report The Sawyer January 26, 2022 5:35 AM GMT

I had Rushing Wild in my ten to follow and had it beaten Jodami I would have moved into 3rd spot and with the Grand National voided that season I would have stayed there Cry
Report sageform January 26, 2022 7:27 PM GMT
Bad luck! Have you had a prize in the ttf since? I can remember the race well. As a huge fan of Jodami, I was not sure that Rushing Wild would come back to him until the second last but the rest were nowhere. When Jodami ran at Haydock a few years later I was on track and able to stand close to him in the unsaddling after winning the Peter Marsh chase. His head was the biggest I have ever seen on a racehorse-more like a Shire horse. That was despite being descended from blue bloods like Crepello and Busted.
Report The Sawyer January 27, 2022 7:48 AM GMT
No sage no joy at all. I think it was a different format originally where you could select any horse in training rather than being restricted to the Tote's list. I used to put Suluk in all my entries as you could almost guarantee 6 or 7 wins from him at Southwells jump track.

I saw Jodami win two of his three Hennessey victories at Leopardstown and the racecourse named the bar on the first floor after him although this is no more and the area restricted to members/ hospitality.
Report duffy January 27, 2022 2:54 PM GMT
I used to put in Skippers Cleuch or whatever Lungo novice hurdler was n vogue as you knew he'd rack up a few gimmes up north before facing anything half decent and when he did send them down south and in Skipper's case he got found out as kicking the hurdles out of the way wasn't conducive to beating the big guns.
Report PeteTheBloke January 28, 2022 8:41 PM GMT
Don't see the Tizzard horse being good enough to topol the big guns.

Ha ha ha. Someone should acknowledge this excellent pun.
Report FOYLESWAR January 28, 2022 8:46 PM GMT
youd think fiddler on the roof  would have to work hard to win the gold cup.
Report duffy January 29, 2022 5:11 AM GMT
Thanks PeteHappy

Foyles got it too by the looks of itHappy
Report impossible123 February 1, 2022 7:31 PM GMT
Much looking forward to this race. I'm expecting a new Champion either APT or Galvin given connections of Champ has chickened out. And, I think Chantry House will be a back-number even if he turn up on given form; Minella Indo is not the same horse as last season unless he redeems himself big time in the Irish Gold Cup this saturday.
Report Hibore February 3, 2022 9:23 PM GMT
Didn’t see Robbie Power on Minella in Irish Gold Cup. Wouldn’t Rachael ride in case anything happened to APT ?
Seems Henry has has reading the forum that she should be kept well away from himGrin
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 February 4, 2022 8:25 AM GMT
Great decision by De Bromhead, some jockeys just don’t get on with particular horses.
Good to see trainer and owners having some balls rather than just keeping with Blackmore.
She’s still the best around imo, but just like it’s horses for courses, it can pay to look at jockey and horse pairings.
Report impossible123 February 4, 2022 8:48 AM GMT
I've not seen who the pilot on Minella Indo (MI) either. I understand Ms Blackmore has ridden a couple of injudicious races on him nevertheless, stable pilot ought to be on the stable's sole runner.

Does that mean Ms Blackmore will not be onboard either if A Plus Tard (APT) is an absentee and/or if Kennedy is "released" by Elliot/Gigginstown and/or Delta Work is scratched?; 10% of £140k euro is a sizeable sum to forego even for Ms Blackmore.

I'd like to see Bryony/Frodon do the business again, mind saying Kemboy but an extremely difficult horse to catch right. Minella Indo??
Report penzance February 4, 2022 10:01 AM GMT
the owner probably wants someone who's available
for the Gold Cup.
He was unhappy about Blackmore picking A Plus Tard
over Minello Indo last year aswell, I think.
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 February 4, 2022 4:30 PM GMT
Yeah the owner basically took full responsibility for all of De Bromheads winner last March, apparently helping with planning!!!
Sounds like something I’d do tbf lol, slightly arrogant.
Report sageform February 4, 2022 7:47 PM GMT
I would not have much confidence in Frodon or any of de Bromhead's runners on recent stable form. I would not be surprised if Elliott and Mullins win all of the Group 1 races between them at Leopardstown.
Report duffy February 5, 2022 5:45 PM GMT
Aside from the winner today I thought it was a very encouraging run from MI, I question if they went that quick and while Conflated showed some pace to get away, MI was at first getting hampered by a back pedalling Frodon and then got momentarily held up by Kemboy. He then attempted to get after Conflated and it looked for a moment promising before the effort of a practical 2 furlong sprint took it's toll and he flattened out late.

Still, he jumped well and in this race last year Henry stated that he was happy for it to be a confidence booster and I reckon he'd be delighted with how it went today on that front. Puts him right back in the picture going back to the place we know he excels at. I think as the festival approaches he is only going to strengthen in the market.
Report impossible123 February 5, 2022 6:19 PM GMT
Conflated is the only horse to take from this race. He was given a dream ride by Russell keeping to the inside throughout, and is improving; Minella Indo had every chance and ran much better than in the King George; Kemboy lost all chance by jumping repeatedly to the right and keeping wide.

I think the proximity of Janidil to Minella Indo was telling for the latter.
Report irishone February 5, 2022 8:31 PM GMT
More forum bolleaux in abundance
Report duffy February 6, 2022 1:14 AM GMT
Conflated won a comparative speed test today, and it is no coincidence that the winner of this race has a poor record in Gold Cups. My concern as an admitted MI fan (and nothing against Robbie Power) is that I did not believe for one minute that Power would keep the ride in the GC with Kennedy likely being available, but Conflated has thrown a spanner in the works now.

However I have a sneaky suspicion in the way that Elliott answered the GC question afterwards that he wouldn't fancy his chances against Galvin and CO in a GC and if he had his way wouldn't necessarily run him but the trainer will have a job on his hands convincing Gigginstown not to run.

However 10/1 NRNB for Conflated in the Ryanair is interesting to me to win their own race where as usual most in the betting won't run, if he did run he'd be a clear 2nd fav. For now I've had a few speculative quid on him at 17 in the without Allaho market on the exchange, but I do expect Giggy to run him in the GC but I think the prices on offer make it worth a speculative bet.
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 February 7, 2022 10:38 PM GMT
Conflated was quicker than Blue Lord and A wave by the sea by a full second from two out! Not bad for a horse that had ran a mile further than those two course winners on the same card.
Report mrtopnotch February 8, 2022 11:21 AM GMT
It was a slow race and turned in to a dash at the end. Russell caught them out!
Russell will ride Galvin
Rachael on APT
Kennedy on any Gigginstown horse (if they have one and Conflated runs, I'd say Gigginstown will have a runner)
Power on Minella Indo
Report irishone February 8, 2022 12:53 PM GMT
What no champ ?

What no Santini ?
Report FOYLESWAR February 13, 2022 10:10 PM GMT
asterion forlange  too big at 40/1 ante post and 33/1 nrnb had some on both but more on the nrnb 33s . a bit of a forgotton horse ,may have won the king george but for falling and a staying on strongly 4th after making a mistake 2 out in irish gold cup won by conflated . showed no problems going left handed in that race jumping straight just the one rick when poised  to challenge started near fav for the dublin race and the 33s or 40s each way  is too big imo .
Report FOYLESWAR February 14, 2022 7:27 AM GMT
not a forgotton horse^^^^^ more of a recency bias before that dublin run asterion was a lot shorter for the gold cup now on the back of a arguably improved run last time going left handed and jumping straight and well all  bar the mistake 2 out he is now one of the rags ? a second season chaser  who has not fully shown his hand yet  and open to  improvement  and the extra distance may well suit .
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 February 14, 2022 1:01 PM GMT
Another positive could be it looks best off a really quick pace like the king George and John durkan, where as the Irish gold cup was not ran that quickly.
Now you just need a few front runners to fly off and set it up for him!
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 February 14, 2022 1:10 PM GMT
Looking at my above post, I’m not sure who will force the pace, where as the Ryanair could have Allaho , Drasher Dasher and First Flow and Allmankind so I’ve just talked myself into backing him in that race lol.
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 February 14, 2022 1:34 PM GMT
Melon looks big at 66/1 considering his record at Cheltenham (mainly on the old course though). He actually holds an entry in the Grand National and unusually missed the Dublin Racing Festival.
So he comes to Cheltenham fresher, and will of been trained with more emphasis on stamina with the National in mind.

All be it over shorter, the John Durkan is working out well with Asterion Furlongs looking set for second in the king George which the 5th won.
Allaho has also won, all be it in an egg and spoon race thanks to Fakir D’oudairies first fence mistake . Everything has atleast placed since from that race except Minella Times who is protecting its mark for obvious reasons.

Melon has only been out once since and while only 4th, the jockey has since gone out saying he ruined his own chances by not taking on stablemate Kemboy.
Melon is a horse that seems best off a very quick pace though so he may need Minella indo and A Plus Tard to take each other on early.

Annoying the exchange price is only 70, for a horse that rarely wins, it’s a no brainer to cover it each way.
Report brandyontherocks February 14, 2022 1:35 PM GMT
Before the Irish Gold Cup last week I wrote this message to a mate regarding Asterion. Just an observation.........

Something I have noticed with Asterion Forlonge that maybe worth noting or disregarding who knows.
In the last two seasons he has ran in six Grade 1 chases. Fell in 3 completed in 3.
His first fall came at Christmas last season in the Faugheen Chase. He fell 5 out so still a long way from home.
His other two falls have been this season which have been well documented. Still going well and looked to be able to play his hand in the finish.
But I have focused on his completed starts in Grade 1s.
He ran at last seasons Dublin Festival behind Monkfish. Admittedly he would never have beaten Monkfish that day but he travelled really well until the home turn and then was one paced and plodded home.
In the Marsh at Cheltenham, if you freeze the replay just before jumping two out you would say he was travelling best. If had had one of his tumbles there you would call him unlucky. Much like this seasons Durkan behind Allaho. He jumps two out and goes out like a light and is one paced up the hill.
His next outing was at the Fairyhouse Festival. Again coming to two out he is hard on the bridle and looking to play a big part. He jumps two out and again goes from cruising to one paced up and down on the spot.

I just wonder what this horse finds when he has to fight out a finish. On last seasons evidence, ..... not a lot
Report penzance February 14, 2022 2:59 PM GMT
If Melon was a Gold Cup horse,they would've
run him in it by now I would think.
Report mrtopnotch February 23, 2022 3:18 PM GMT
I see Kealy has tipped Protektorat - a glorified handicapper - clutching at straws
Report irishone February 23, 2022 6:55 PM GMT
Al.boum photo dodgy ......

Mullins concerned about Al Boum Photo's form at home - Timeform › horse-racing › news
Report rolland February 24, 2022 10:30 AM GMT
Went to unsaddling enclosure after the big race at dublin racing festival. Henry de B and the owner of MI were not atall despondent re horses run. It was also clear before race that MI was not fully wound up. Given MI record at chelty over the years the current price available is still decent value.
Report irishone February 24, 2022 10:42 AM GMT
Good info rolland thankyou. What made you think indo was not fully wound up heard the same from kempton.
Report brandyontherocks February 24, 2022 2:30 PM GMT
They used the Irish Gold Cup as a confidence booster last year after his fall at Christmas.
I guess they did the same this year after his experience in Kempton.

Surprised you say he wasn't fully fit for the King George, Irish.
Report rolland February 24, 2022 3:13 PM GMT
Was at the pre parade ring - just happened to be adjacent to Ken Peterson , far better paddock expert than I will ever be. As soon as rug came off he was firmly of the view there was still a fair bit to work on as they say!! Good enough for my humble opinion and gave me some confidence given I'm well into MI antepost.Still good value given chelty record. Should be unbeaten given that race Champ nobbled him after ridiculously slow last fence jump by MI.
Report impossible123 February 24, 2022 7:22 PM GMT
If a bookie paid tipster tipped Protektorat - a glorified handicapper - a definite virtue-signalling.

Regards Minella Indo, if he wins then King George and Irish Gold Cup backers had been conned by connections for deliberately under-cooking the horse. But, I still think he's not the same horse as last season; A Plus Tard and new serious protagonist Galvin will have the measure of him - all things being equal, I believe.
Report rolland February 24, 2022 7:34 PM GMT
Never any doubt MI season always geared to the gold Cup so deliberately undercooking is crazy comment. Just rewind to last year after he fell at leopardstown Chris  meeting.
APT could struggle to get home especially if ground not good. Galvin not sure he has the class for a GC.
Report PeteTheBloke February 24, 2022 7:35 PM GMT
What makes a good handicapper "glorified"? I seem to remember a certain 'Arkle' running in a few handicaps.
Report PeteTheBloke February 24, 2022 7:42 PM GMT
Desert Orchid
Garrison Savannah
Charter Party
Report sixtwosix February 24, 2022 7:47 PM GMT
Silver Buck won a handicap .....under 12 stones 7 pounds ....12 days before winning the Gold Cup.....your comments regarding  Protektorat make zero sense.
Report brandyontherocks February 24, 2022 8:18 PM GMT
Have to agree with those handicap comments. Absolutely pointless imo.

Think Protektorat has a chance myself.

If Galvin wins I will put it down as a poor Gold Cup like when Synchronised won.
Report impossible123 February 24, 2022 8:22 PM GMT
Comparing Protektorat in the same vein as Desert Orchid or Silver Buck is sheer madness. It's like comparing the Scottish premiership to its English equivalent ie a gulf between them.

If Protektoret wins I'll walk to Epsom derby for the next 10 years from Cheam/Sutton!
Report Bentring February 24, 2022 8:22 PM GMT
Cheltenham gold cup 2021
Feb6,2021 8.33PM GMT Bentring wrote
There's a band wagon out there it's called (Irish horses)fkn jump on it in all novice and championship races and any other race you care to bet in.
Didn't do too bad.
Report PeteTheBloke February 24, 2022 8:41 PM GMT
Comparing Protektorat in the same vein as Desert Orchid or Silver Buck is sheer madness.

That's not the point. It might be rare to see handicappers taking Group 1 flat races, but that rule
simply can't be applied to NH.
Report impossible123 March 17, 2022 5:23 PM GMT
Galvin and A Plus Tard are running for me. Just hoping they run better than Shishkin.
Report impossible123 April 7, 2022 5:47 PM BST
I think it's safe to say Protektorat is merely a handicapper and not a Gold Cup horse after today's performance. He was stuffed by A Plus Tard in the gold Cup, and today by Clan Des Obeaux; hope and dream up in a puff of smoke.
Report brandyontherocks April 7, 2022 9:05 PM BST
Do you not think he ran like a horse who had just ran his heart out in the Gold Cup. A horse who has had breathing problems in the past and may need more time between races?
Not the first horse to run well in a Gold Cup and fail here.
Report brandyontherocks April 7, 2022 9:08 PM BST
If you're correct, every horse except A Plus Tard who ran in the Gold Cup is no more than a handicapper.
Report strontium April 7, 2022 10:02 PM BST
Even the mighty Kauto Star got beaten in the Bowl after a hard Gold Cup. No shame in Protektorat blowing up today. But the Gold Cup itself tells you he's a mid-160s horse.
Report brandyontherocks April 8, 2022 9:44 PM BST
Bravemansgame was very disappointing today.
I can forgive L'Homme Presse after his run at Cheltenham.
Ahoy Senor showed what he can do when given the right conditions. If he can improve his jumping he could be a player next March if the ground is good.
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