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Nicky posts on here,he has to with a statement like that wonder if other one is a mare
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Chantry House? Won a novice Grade 1 over 3 miles. Surely got to think about the Gold Cup.
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Yep, has to be Chantry.
Doing ok so far on the road to top staying chases. |
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Lmao chantry wouldn't count if it started yesterday,the novice improver is on the sidelines and wasn't at best when ran at Cheltenham so with an Irish 123 in gold cup I don't see the novice challenge being worrying but with nr's ye never know but sure the Irish will probably have a few h'cappers that would still win the race
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"We've got a Gold Cup horse" doesn't mean it will win, just that it might run.
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Here we go here we go here we go
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Exactly Stront.
He’s an improver. No one on here knows how good he could be. |
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You coukd say that about 10000 horses in training
Well done budd ! |
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My point was that some on here think they do know.
They don’t. |
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True Budd. I doubt anyone who saw Synchronised being scrubbed around Uttoxeter in the Midlands National thought he'd be winning the Gold Cup a year later.
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You get berated on here for speaking the truth about training racehorses.
I received this abuse for suggesting people were guessing when trying to name Gold Cup runners 15 months out .... Hibore29 Dec 20 21:16Joined: 23 Jun 07 | Topic/replies: 2,741 | Blogger: Hibore's blog Irishone has won most stupid post of 2020. Hands down. Then we get ..... irishone29 Dec 20 21:25Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 46,986 | Blogger: irishone's blog If you think you can name two horses that will take part in the 2022 Gold Cup GO AHEAD ! Name them now and see if it can be done, Budd already has! Hibore Hibore29 Dec 20 21:34Joined: 23 Jun 07 | Topic/replies: 2,741 | Blogger: Hibore's blog Do I get 100/1 if they run Laugh Santini and Envoi Allen Minella Indo and Monkfish Can I have 2 bets. Santini has more or less been retired but I hope he comes back. Envoi has a dodgy injury Monkfish similarly We still have five months to go! So the most stupid post of 2020 actually turns out to be the most intelligent. Good to see you are learning budd..... buddeliea23 Oct 21 19:56Joined: 19 Mar 04 | Topic/replies: 15,786 | Blogger: buddeliea's blog My point was that some on here think they do know. They don’t. |
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Whatever mate.
I think this is probably boring people now. Back to the horses imo. |
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I'm not sure if I should post this as I don't know the history here.
Trying to read between the lines of when the post was made(looks pre new year)to name participants in the race anyway no matter what took me a while (I am slow forgive me)to realise it was 2022 as 2 novices were included. If this is helping people in ante post betting how could it be boring people |
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My point was to agree with Budd's statement
"My point was that some on here think they do know.....They don’t." The original posts were in another thread entitled "monkfish" where the point was made that people were just guessing so far out from a Gold Cup , which is now proven. You can come on this forum with information direct from the stable as I did for Presenting Percys attempt at the gold cup .....some 9 months in advance of the race. The result was contemptuous even though what I was advising was effectively a trade which ultimately paid off. Vast majority on here are trying to live their dreams, which is a shame really. |
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11 Feb 21 21:12 Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 46,990 | Blogger: irishone's blog
Theres only one horse That finished behind Champ Last March That has actually surprised me since Castlebawn West won the Paddy Power And was unseated at Cheltenham I dont do form usually But I thought I would have a look At what the runners that finished the race Have actually accomplished since ? Sweet fanny adams ..... cloone river cloone river 11 Feb 21 22:58 Joined: 23 Dec 04 | Topic/replies: 1,313 | Blogger: cloone river's blog I dont do form usually?Do you use a pin?You need to look again at the horses that finished behind Champ irishone. irishone irishone 12 Feb 21 05:39 Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 46,990 | Blogger: irishone's blog I dont do form usually?Do you use a pin? Definitely. Its turned out far more reliable than some of the cr4pp you read on here ! Thanks for the advice Cloone ..... Minella Indo .....won a E60K four runner race schase at navan, 4th in THE Gold Cup...but behind the storyteller and kemboy 6 lengths ....thats a worry ! Allaho ..... 4th in the Savilles , won an E35k schase at Thurles beat Balko ! . Battle over doyen.... Won a E60k at Downroyal ,4th and 6th since Aye Right, 5 runs no wins Slate House , 2 runs pulled up and 3rd CopperHead , won three times last was a £40k renoldstown at ascot, pulled up twice since Easy Game , won e35k at Gowran bt the storyteller Pym.... Won a 24k three runner at Sandown Apart from castlebawn what makes anyone think that any of that field can come back a year on and win a gold cup Nothing from that race has won anything 100k or over yet you are putting up Champ as a potential winner of a £625k schase .....all recent winners had the form in the book , even Coneygree had been round Cheltenham three times and had won 3 on the spin irishone irishone 12 Feb 21 05:45 Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 46,990 | Blogger: irishone's blog * nothing from that race... Except of course CASTLEBAWN WEST ! |
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Minella Indo and Allaho
 Let’s leave it at that Irish that you are as bigger guesser as we are. Let’s talk horses right or wrong this year. Budd is right what he says. |
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The 2021 top guesser arrives ,(aka Nicky Hendersons love child ) wants to talk about horses so lets talk horses, Santini and Champ ?
How about talking about winners put up last year ? Appreciate it Honeysuckle Galvin Put the kettle on The Shunter Belfast Banter ...and dont write off Castlebawn West |
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Budd....... leaving aside the top guesser !
Even the trainers dont know, as I am sure you are aware. I have spoken to quite a few trainers in Ireland and the ones who appear to agree with your statement dont say "he (or she) should run well" . There are plenty that do , and on balance, I think I would be better off laying based on that advice. The horses at Galway on Saturday and Sunday were a far better showcase. The hype surrounding cheltenhan and the fantastic marketing they do is well clear of that practised by racecourses in ireland. Consequently great horses that will win at Cheltenham 2022 go under the radar from now until Christmas. Which is great ,because the prices represent such grat value |
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Its the day when a trainer slips me a ton and says "put that on for me please mate".... that I really look forward to.
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 Like a dog with a bone. |
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"Lets keep to the horses !" |
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Chantry House's form couldn't have been boosted much more this weekend.
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Dont think chantry houses form was boosted at all.
You are talking different tracks, different seasons and growing horses . |
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Possibly growing something else also
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Indeed. Collateral form is always inexact. But Shan Blue was runnning away with the Charlie Hall, and Chantry House beat him 32 lengths in the Grade 1 at Aintree, and 12 lengths in the Grade 1 at Cheltenham. Fusil Raffles did win the Charlie Hall and Chantry beat him at Cheltenham. Fiddlerontheroof won the Colin Parker, and Chantry beat him 58 lengths in the Geade 1 at Aintree. Those results certianly make Chantry's form look better than it did at the time. And perhaos last season's novices are better than we thought?
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Stron….don’t bite. You are correct of course.
All you get on here is Shishkin isn’t any good…..Chantry House isn’t any good….blah blah blah because they are British and/or trained by Henderson. Unfortunately sensible conversation or debate isn’t possible on here anymore. I don’t think anyone can be bothered to post anything as it just starts an argument with either of them. |
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Chantry house form is 'Top Drawer' get stuck in.
Give it a good go Hi bore ye boy-ye |
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Shan blue chantry house fusil raffles and fiddlerontheroof will be lucky to win 3 races between them from today,forget the 2 already on the board
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"Collateral form is always inexact"
So why stick to it ? |
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Hendersons love child still hasnt got over Santini and Champ by the looks of it
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This thread is about whether Chantry is a credible Gold Cup runner (not whether he would win). After this weekend, it looks like he is. We'll find out more at the weekend as he's supposed to run in a graduation chase at Sandown.
For what it's worth, I think the likley Gold Cup winner comes from Ireland and did not run at the weekend :) |
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I'll decide what the thread is about you mentioned chantry house? Not me....so shiskin could step up although unlikely but Hendo could have another Best mate war of attrition kicking King all ran in supreme its not impossible Shiskin could line up but best chance lies in QM against a few Irish unlike a host of them in GC
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Bentring
Bentring 18 Oct 21 21:56 Joined: 25 Dec 20 | Topic/replies: 194 Nicky posts on here,he has to with a statement like that wonder if other one is a mare Do you think Shishkin is a Mare ? I’m trying to understand what this thread is about and give you a sensible reply. |
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Go Figure
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Normally when you start a thread “wonder if the other one is a mare” you know the name of the horse in question or what your talking about.
Obviously not in this case. |
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Sorry Bentring, I didn't realise you owned the internet. However, your rudeness is wholly unnecessary.
Hibore, you are right, it's not possible to have a sensible debate here. I'll be off. |
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Hi bore with 'Go' it was tongue'n'cheek,I wish you every success with you're horse.
Strontium only having a laugh,jp doesn't need a day out with an also ran in GC. The post about the 4 winning the 3 races,where they will run will be so difficult as those races are plus staying sound would help their cause. It's early season and anything can happen but chantry house jumping in open company will be interesting. WATCH THIS SPACE. |
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"Hibore, you are right, it's not possible to have a sensible debate here. I'll be off"
Great post from Hibore, best he has ever done. Debate on here consisted of guessers and fantasists. Lets have more people on this forum who regularly put up cheltenham festival winners or winning trades. If you want a load of dear johns, waffle and fantasy strontium take hibore with to thin jockeys lol |
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When I look at the GC market what strikes me is that the 1st and 2nd from last year appear to me to be the value, 6 and 8's seem to me to be very fair after last year's race, with EA the only other one that interests me at this stage. Couldn't have CH at his price, just not good enough IMO and can't believe that Champ is as low as 20's myself. What's Galvin doing at 20's too, taking the week ends run at face value obviously, surely he hasn't got the class for a GC.
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