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21 Feb 21 07:34
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What can we do to stop this ? . .....

How about "all Irish horses have to be vaccinated for the Isle of Wight covid variant"
"No we done the vaccination excuse couple of years back"

"Can't we use helicopters to dry out the ground ?"

"How about all trainers have to wear face shields as well as facemasks ?, Mullins would never do that ...."
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Report irishone February 21, 2021 8:45 AM GMT
"Lets check to see if any of their favourites names are racially offensive"
Report cobra sam February 21, 2021 10:01 AM GMT
im an englishman had about 20 ante post bets 90%irish mules ....come on the irish i say!!!!! problem for me that at this time irish are dominating ..enjoy it while it lasts irishone
Report irishone February 21, 2021 10:19 AM GMT
ExcitedLaugh cheers sam
Report irishone February 21, 2021 10:47 AM GMT
Heard that Irish owners will have to put up a security for the VAT unless there is a formal ruling before the festival from both sides. The horses (yes the horses not the drivers or the hands) have to get a blood test and certification to travel, more fecking dosh .
Report irishone February 21, 2021 10:48 AM GMT
British Horseracing Authority website warns, “It remains the case that relative to arrangements prior to 31 December 2020, the process to move horses is considerably more complex administratively and time consuming.”
Report shlotter February 21, 2021 12:21 PM GMT
One nearly choked on Tarkers burnt bran muffin whilst reading this thread Irishone. Since the Brexit one misses the organic Gloucestershire chocolate chips.
Report strontium February 21, 2021 2:24 PM GMT
Why would the BHA care who wins?
Report duffy February 21, 2021 2:43 PM GMT
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:16 AM GMT
"Well done to whoever got that photo"

If we can stop Gordon getting here we have got half a chance ! "
Report GAZO March 1, 2021 7:32 AM GMT
must be his mate who took the photo
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:52 AM GMT
Wonder how much he got and from whom ?
Report layingisthewayforward March 1, 2021 9:37 AM GMT
You do post some odd things irishone. For me, punting on racing is all about backer vs layer but you seem obsessed with the nationality of the trainer.

When i back a winner, which is quite rare I couldn't give a toss what nationality the trainer is.
Report irishone March 1, 2021 10:08 AM GMT
Not at all
My biggest win so far this year was one of gary moores funnily enough.
The issue with me on this thread is that in the weeks before Cheltenham somebody, someone or something has this strange habit of coming up with something that upsets the Irish preparation.
Report GAZO March 1, 2021 10:12 AM GMT
like what ?
Report irishone March 1, 2021 10:27 AM GMT
Passports, jabs , brexit paperwork, vat ????
Report layingisthewayforward March 1, 2021 10:27 AM GMT
Im not just talking about this thread irishone, a lot of your posts seem to refer back to an ireland vs England theme, i just find that strange when we're discussing horse racing.
Report GAZO March 1, 2021 10:37 AM GMT
those passports ect are all this season,you implied it happens all the time
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:18 PM GMT

They sent out the vaccibation rules on February 15th 2019

Heres the Uk press last year 2020
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:18 PM GMT
British Horseracing Authority (BHA) will not allow the Irish trainer Gordon Elliott to race horses in Britain whilst the Irish authorities investigate an image that appeared on social media over the weekend.

The trainer admitted the photo was genuine and apologised for his actions.

The BHA, which regulates racing in Britain, will use powers under its own rules to refuse to allow horses trained by Mr Elliott to race in Britain pending consideration of the outcome of the Irish investigation.

The action taken by the BHA recognises that Mr Elliott is licensed in Ireland, whose regulatory body, the IHRB, is carrying out its own investigation.

However, Mr Elliott has entered horses to race in Britain, from which point the British Rules of Racing apply to him.

The decision to refuse to allow horses trained by Mr Elliott to run in Britain is therefore an interim decision which the BHA regards as proportionate in these circumstances.

In an earlier statement, the BHA said it was appalled by the image which undermined its values of respecting and caring for horses.

Notes to editors:

1. The BHA has acted under Rule I – 2.2 of the British Rules of Racing.!/book/34/chapter/s3403-race-administration/content?section=s3404-general

2. Owners for horses currently trained by Mr Elliott are permitted to transfer them to a different trainer and run them at a British meeting, providing they comply with the relevant rules.
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:19 PM GMT
Despo Laugh
Report irishone March 1, 2021 9:28 PM GMT
layingisthewayforward01 Mar 21 10:37Joined: 08 Sep 05 | Topic/replies: 3,152 | Blogger: layingisthewayforward's blog
You do post some odd things irishone. For me, punting on racing is all about backer vs layer but you seem obsessed with the nationality of the trainer.

Laying, obviously I am listening to too much english media .....

...and its going to get worse !
Report cobra sam March 2, 2021 4:46 AM GMT
u still defending Elliot irishone?
Report irishone March 2, 2021 7:02 AM GMT
How can anyone defend a perspn who has come out, said he was wrong and held his hands up.

What you going to do now , hang him for sitting on a deadhorse ?

Nicky Henderson, Quinny , Sheik Mo all doing wrong stuff against the integrity of racing. Still going strong !
Report cobra sam March 2, 2021 10:38 AM GMT
my pal in dublin told me gordons girlfriend jessie harringtons daughter caught him shagging a stable lass whos name i wont say.......all hell broke loose and was her who released the photo
Report irishone March 2, 2021 1:55 PM GMT
Panic back on .....

"OMG they sent his horses to Willie and Henry"

"FFS you and your big ideas !"
Report irishone March 3, 2021 5:14 PM GMT
"We dont want this to rebound on us"

" How about saying we are enquiring into shekh mo , see if there is any social media riled up "

"I will give hrh a call"
Report irishone March 3, 2021 5:24 PM GMT
In the Foreword to the Report from the BHA’s new Chief Executive, Nick Rust, acknowledges that the BHA does note “always get it right". Nick goes on to state: "the Report includes two cases studies which we must learn from. I am particularly grateful to Kate Walton and Jim Boyle for allowing us to include their experiences, and I would like to add my sincere apologies to them both for falling short of the required standards during the investigations in which they were involved.” The admission that the governing body does not "always get it right" and that they have learnt from their mistakes is welcomed, particularly given the culture of many governing bodies that means they are unwilling to admit errors, failures or shortcomings

Report irishone March 3, 2021 10:00 PM GMT
"The admission that the governing body does not "always get it right" and that they have learnt from their mistakes is welcomed"

So why punish someone who holds his hands up before its investigated by the ruling authority ?
Report irishone March 4, 2021 3:33 PM GMT
Todays t1t bits .....

" her majesty not all that fussed about Sheikh Mo since Andrew' s case ......"

" ah good , what about Elliots ex-horses ,are they still all coming ? .... will there be the usual number ! "

"What are the odds now for the prestbury cup ?"
Report Andymca March 6, 2021 12:14 PM GMT
So BHA Board Chief Executive Julie Harrington side stepped the doping scandal involving Sheikh Mohammed on the Opening Show this morning. Her answer has only strengthened the belief that the BHA acted on an anti Irish basis and there is one rule for the UK and another for Ireland.
Report irishone March 6, 2021 1:10 PM GMT
Said something about following the governments advice on this issue referring to dominic someone.

One assumes the decision on whether or not the Sheik is bringing horse racing into disrepute is not a matter forthe BHA

Thus why would they interfere with the Gordon Elliot case by banning him previous to it becoming an issue for the Irish governing body to settle ?

Double standards at the BHA ?
Report irishone March 19, 2021 7:11 AM GMT
"We really are witnessing a golden era in Irish jumps racing"

"Its got to be stopped, they will invade us eventually if we let this carry on"

"Have a word with the lords in westminster, see if we can get the common travel agreement rescinded"

"Too soon after brexit, the equine flu passports didnt work, the v a t con didnt work, even the Elliot photo"

"We need a full public enquiry". (Nap)
Report grumpyjim March 19, 2021 8:44 AM GMT
Cheltenham by far best facilities still .. but Irish are catching up QUICK  .
  3 days to 4 .. not required .. get back to old way .. Pandemic  .....Cash is going on the back Burner . no longer much use .. BOOKMAKERS ON TRACK AND OLD WAY IS GOING FAST ..  English have a horse thats any good send it to be trained   YES  guessed CORRECT .. IRELAND  .. Irishone  .. we need to invade IRELAND   .. Never have we seen . so many ON LINE   market makers .. jumping up every week ..  All on line soon and stay in your workplace .. put your feet up on desk with your  .. GUINNESS longer any need for shop visits .. .. slice of toast with your drink   .....7days a week . you have your food in a can .. save the planet .. RECYCLE  .  we are gearing up to invade on line markets .. From  ........COMFORTS OF OUR HOME AND OFFICE  .. Drones to spy  what horse is fed ..  .. Probably uncontaminated .   GRASS  ..?
Report irishone March 19, 2021 9:08 AM GMT
" dont think we should of stuck them in the best mate "
Report irishone March 20, 2021 7:43 AM GMT
"Saw this on a betfair forum "Cheltenham might have to have British entries only in some races ,so we get a winner. " Is it beyond our capabilities ?
Report irishone March 23, 2021 7:17 PM GMT
The BHA will not be launching any separate post-Cheltenham inquiry following the domination of last week's festival by runners trained in Ireland, with any review likely to be housed within existing considerations of the jump racing Pattern and the post-Covid-19 work on building a sustainable financial recovery for the sport.

Irish trainers broke records on almost every front over the four days of the meeting, with 23 victories shared between 11 different trainers. In comparison, the home side managed a paltry five winners, only two of which came at Grade 1 level.

A spokesman for the BHA congratulated both leading jockey Rachael Blackmore as well as the racecourse and broadcast teams at Cheltenham for "lifting the nation's spirits".

In addressing the alarmingly one-sided results, they said: "We are aware that, like all of us at the BHA, many parts of the racing industry will be reflecting on what happened last week and what can be done to improve the competitiveness of racing at the top level. However, this is about more than just four days in March.

"The health of British jump racing is always on our radar, and work is well under way across several areas. The Jump Pattern Committee, for example, decided last year that there were elements of the Pattern and Listed race programme that needed looking at, including the need to produce some more competitive races across the season.

"There are also important pieces of work across areas such as handicapping, and safety and welfare, which all feed into the longer-term objective of building a strong, competitive jump racing industry in Britain." 

Pressure has been building on the BHA to address the performance of the home-trained horses in the days since the festival was capped with a 1-2-3 for Ireland in the feature WellChild Cheltenham Gold Cup, a race where the first British-based runner, fourth-placed Native River, finished nearly 30 lengths adrift of winner Minella Indo.

Many leading trainers in Britain have had their say over the cause of the inequality in resources and results from last week, with Emma Lavelle and Harry Fry among those to identify poor prize-money as driving owners into the hands of their Irish counterparts, while Dan Skelton blamed "systematic flaws" in the system which favoured too many handicaps at the expense of races for potential Graded performers.

The BHA spokesman added: "The sport is currently working its way through one of the most difficult periods of its history off the back of the coronavirus outbreak, and the industry is working to an agreed plan for recovery from the pandemic, which includes a focus on the industry’s financial health, including the returns to owners.

"This plan also includes, in the longer term, sustainable recovery and growth for the sport. Over the coming weeks we intend to harness some of the strong views that currently prevail across the sport and engage further with our industry.

"We will listen to the views of owners, trainers, jockeys, breeders, racecourses and others. These views will feed in to ongoing work and continue to help shape what steps the sport will take to support the future of British jump racing."

On Monday National Trainers Federation president Rupert Arnold urged British handlers to be braver in their campaigning of horses and for the best to run against each other ahead of Cheltenham.

'The money is all in Ireland at present'

But former champion trainer Martin Pipe – a 34-time winner at the festival and a man often associated with being unafraid to run his horses – believes that prize-money rather than preparation is likely to be the key to reviving British fortunes.
Report irishone March 23, 2021 7:20 PM GMT
Pipe said: "Well Chief only had one run over fences before the Arkle, and I remember Rolling Ball only had one run before winning the staying novice chase [Brown Advisory], while Cyborgo was first time out when he won the Stayers' Hurdle.

"The money [to buy good horses] is all in Ireland at present. It all comes back to prize-money. Horses have always been hard to find but the prize-money is better in Ireland and they don't have as much racing, compared to England."

Pipe added: "I was lucky to have some loyal owners and we bought some [nice] horses. But some of my Cheltenham winners came out of claimers, like Blowing Wind and Make A Stand. They weren't expensive.

"In Ireland we used to go to [Tom] Costello and David Johnson went across there and bought loads, untried basically. I used to go to the sales in Ireland and buy some store horses. They were all reasonable money, 20 or 30 thousand pounds.

"The trouble is, you don't realise the cost of keeping a horse and bringing it on. It costs a fortune and they've got to be trained. In that sense, when they've run and won a race, they're cheaper. It cuts out the risk, at least you know it can run. It's difficult to get a horse to a racecourse."
Report irishone March 29, 2021 8:09 PM BST

The leaders of British racing have welcomed the announcement that £21 million of loan funding will be made available to the sport through the Sports Winter Survival Package. The money will be lent to the Horserace Betting Levy Board because of its role in providing central funding of industry costs of race-day regulation, equine welfare and industry training.

Leaders representing the British Horseracing Authority, the Racecourse Association and The Horsemen’s Group have been engaging with Sport England and DCMS since the Survival Package was announced on November 19th. It is intended to help sports severely impacted by coronavirus restrictions over the winter months, notably where the absence of spectators and the revenue they provide would pose a threat to the survival of clubs or sporting teams.

The funding model for racing is different from many sports where clubs will typically receive the revenues from spectators, employ the players or participants and fund the costs of staging sporting events. Racing’s leaders asked government to allow the Horserace Betting Levy Board (HBLB) to be the recipient of loan funding, because of its role in providing central funding to support raceday and other industry costs. Work continues with the HBLB to agree how the loan funding can best be used to assist the industry with surviving and recovering from COVID 19.

No changes are expected to the HBLB’s plan for funding race-days and prize money until the end of June. But with spectators not returning to racecourses until May 17th at the earliest, and in reduced numbers at that point, the gap in revenues will continue into July and until a full return of race-goers is possible. The government has already indicated that further financial help may be available for sports affected over the summer, which British racing has also welcomed.

Racing has taken into account the need to repay any funds borrowed from the original £40 million which government set as a limit for horseracing. Whilst the terms of the loans are favourable, there is a recognition that any debts incurred will have to be paid back from future Levy income. Racing’s leaders will now work with the HBLB on a plan to repay the loans over the ten‐year period.

The BHA’s Chief Executive Julie Harrington said

“We are extremely grateful to officials at Sport England, DCMS and the Treasury for their support in agreeing this funding to racing. We are grateful also to the Horserace Betting Levy Board for agreeing to our proposal and borrowing this money to support the central funding of racing. This money will help ensure racing continues behind closed doors despite the absence of spectator revenues. This will benefit our racecourses, our participants and their communities, and the vital role racing plays as an employer and contributor to the rural economy.”

David Armstrong, Chief Executive of the Racecourse Association, said

“The RCA and its Members are very grateful to the HBLB, DCMS and Sport England for putting in place this vital funding for the sport. Racecourses have suffered lost turnover of over £325m since the pandemic began and this funding will provide a crucial bridge for both Racecourses and Horsemen as we begin the long road to recovery.”

Charlie Liverton, Chief Executive of the Racecourse Owners Association, said

“Our thanks go to the officials at Sport England, DCMS and the Treasury for their help and support in providing this loan to British Racing. In particular, the team at Sport England for their time and advice during the process. The HBLB will be the recipients of the loan and we look forward to working with them to understand how the loan can be best utilized going forward. The Government’s Sports Winter Package has provided financial support to many sports industries over the past few months and this support to British Racing is very welcome.”
Report irishone March 30, 2021 5:56 PM BST
So you cant use the
"The money is in Ireland"

As an excuse
"That good auld chestnut"
Report irishone April 11, 2021 6:52 PM BST
Should be hanging their heads in shame
Report Quevega06 April 12, 2021 11:25 PM BST
Report irishone April 13, 2021 6:53 AM BST
Perhaps they might come up with something better next year......

If they hadn't of come up with that photo it probably would have been a complete and utter whitewash !

The head honcho has gone now , wonder if they actually used MI6 ?

Report irishone April 16, 2021 6:57 AM BST
"This cant go on"

"Years ago in football the Scots used to invade Wembley every two years so England left the Home International Championship..... Cant we do the same ?"
Report irishone April 16, 2021 6:58 AM BST
" Same in Cricket with the Aussies ! "
Report irishone April 26, 2021 5:50 PM BST
British Horseracing Authority (BHA) and Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (IHRB) have today announced a unified Anglo-Irish Jumps weight-for-age (WFA) scale.

The new scale will come into effect at the beginning of the 2021/22 Jumps season and therefore apply to races staged from 1 May 2021 in Britain and races from 3 May 2021 in Ireland. As such, the changes will not apply during the Punchestown Festival, which runs from 27 April to 1 May.

The changes, which were approved by the BHA Board and the Directors of the IHRB in March, sees Britain’s WFA scale increase and Ireland’s decrease by similar amounts, which in summary will mean:

The time at which four-year-old hurdlers in Britain receive an allowance will increase by 2 months at all distances
The time four- and five-year-old hurdlers in Ireland receive an allowance will decrease by 4 months at all distances
The time four- and five-year-old chasers in Britain receive an allowance will remain unchanged at 2m and 2½m but will be extended by one month at 3m
The time four- and five-year-old chasers in Ireland receive an allowance will be decreased by 4 months at all distances
Allowance changes will occur on the monthly basis currently used in Ireland rather than the fortnightly changes used in Britain.
The agreement of a unified WFA scale follows more than a year of work, led by the BHA’s Head of Handicapping, Dominic Gardiner-Hill, and Andrew Shaw, the IHRB’s Senior Jumps Handicapper. The scale has been developed through detailed data analysis, with a view to providing the most accurate model possible for the different age groups.

The adjustments have resulted from an ongoing process of review and improvement, which is designed to ensure that handicapping methodologies remain the most suitable based on-up-to date and comprehensive analysis of data and emerging trends. There is also scope for further refinement of the unified Jumps WFA scale, with the collection of combined symmetrical data in both countries – something that had not previously been possible – and a full review every three years.

Dominic Gardiner-Hill, BHA Head of Handicapping, said:

“The unifying of the Jumps weight for age scales will address the difference in levels of allowances in Britain and Ireland, which can at certain points of the year vary by up to 5lbs-7lbs. It will also bring Jump racing into line with Flat racing, where the same WFA scale is used across the principal racing nations in Europe.

“I would like to pay tribute to my colleagues at the BHA and the IHRB for undertaking this comprehensive piece of work, which has at times required a degree of compromise, but has resulted in a mutually agreeable position – demonstrating the importance of ongoing co-operation between British and Irish racing authorities.”

Andrew Shaw, IHRB Senior Jumps Handicapper, said:

“Not only is the unification of the British and Irish scales a major step forward, but it also reflects the ever-increasing influence of the young, but more mature French-bred horses whose growing success in Britain and Ireland over the past 15 years has already resulted in changes being made to both of our scales in recent times.”

Notes to Editors

1. The new Anglo-Irish Jumps weight-for-age (WFA) scale can be viewed in full here, and allows comparisons with the scales previously used in Britain and Ireland.
Report irishone April 28, 2021 2:16 PM BST
How about if we do what the Aussies have done ?

Charlie Fellowes believes the changes to Melbourne Cup qualification criteria will make it “nigh on impossible” for European-trained horses to compete in Australia’s greatest race.

A series of new measures are to be brought in to combat what officials felt was an unacceptable rate of injuries and fatalities — mainly to overseas contenders.

The number of international horses permitted at the Werribee International Quarantine Centre will be limited to 24 — down from 42 in 2018 — and those horses will be allowed just one run in Australia before their Cup challenge.

They will also have to undergo a series of tests before travelling, at their owners’ expense, have tests once they arrive in Australia and comply with pre-race checks while in quarantine.

Any horse who has suffered a previous fracture will be denied the opportunity, as will those who have undergone orthopaedic surgery.

Fellowes has enjoyed great success with Prince Of Arran in Australia, who has been placed in the race three times as well as winning the Lexus Stakes and the Geelong Cup.

He said: “I completely understand that changes had to be made. I get that this wonderful race is under pressure from animal welfare groups, which I have seen at first hand on my trips.

“Yes it is a minority, but we see them when we do the parade and something had to be done. For that, I feel very sorry for the RV (Racing Victoria) and the organisers because they’ve been put between a rock and a hard place.

“However, I feel they have been brutally unlucky and I worry that the measures outlined in the report that European-trained horses are going to have to pass are basically impossible.

“There are a few parts in the report that actually don’t make sense, and I feel incredibly sad that it will now be nigh on impossible to take a horse down there — and I have loved every minute of my trips to Australia.”

Fellowes fears it could have a major impact on the number of horses leaving the UK to race permanently in Australia, too.

He added: “I think it is potentially disastrous for European trainers, because any horse deemed good enough to run in the Melbourne Cup will now be realistically moved to Australia to race — where they will not have to go through the same veterinary checks that they will if the same horse is with a European trainer.

“So, it will result in us losing more horses. John Gosden’s comments recently of Britain turning into a nursery for other racing jurisdictions rings even truer this morning — and I think it is a very sad day.

“It really is the most wonderful race and it is incredibly sad what has happened. I believe there are other changes which could have been made that haven’t, that wouldn’t have restricted Europeans going there and would have helped prevent further injuries from happening.

“Look at Royal Ascot this year without the Australian sprinters. When they come they add so much to the meeting — and when they don’t it is to the detriment of Royal Ascot. That is why Ascot have a team who go around the world trying to get them to come and race in England, which is welcomed.

“It is very sad that it will not be happening to the Melbourne Cup.”
Report irishone September 4, 2021 10:15 AM BST
The domination of Irish-trained horses at the Cheltenham Festival has prompted the BHA to change the way British horses will be handicapped to correct a perceived imbalance in ratings.

Older horses will receive bigger drops after being beaten and the approach to handicapping novice hurdlers will be reassessed under changes which form part of the BHA's Quality Jumps Review.

In an interview in the Racing Post, the authority's head of handicapping, Dominic Gardiner-Hill, said his team had been "lulled into a false sense of security" by seeing British and Irish horses share the handicaps at the previous three Cheltenham Festivals.

However, that all changed in March when, among the 23-5 drubbing handed out to British-trained runners at the festival, seven of the nine handicaps went to Ireland, whose horses then filled ten of the first 11 home in the Grand National.

The subsequent review has revealed a significant shift in the distribution of ratings over the last ten years which the handicapping team will work to largely roll back by the end of the year, with the single rating held by the largest number of horses increasing by more than 20lb over fences from 2018 to 2021 compared to ten years earlier and around 10lb over hurdles in the same period.

The BHA said its handicapping team would now bid to redress the situation by making "subtle changes" to certain areas of their methodology to get the distribution of ratings close to where it had been between 2008 and 2011.

This option was preferred to other proposals which would have seen a manual review of ratings taking place during the quietest period of the jumps season every August or an automated review of ratings done by computer on a given date.

Gardiner-Hill added: "Perhaps we should have done this sort of in-depth analysis earlier. But we're doing something about it now, we're being proactive and we will get it done by January 1."

The BHA said there would not be a "seismic" alteration to how jumps horses are assessed, but its review has pinpointed specific areas in which changes would be made.

It promises "more generous drops" for older, regressive horses or those struggling to win; certain sections of the novice hurdle division starting on lower marks; horses who hadn't run for six months being automatically reassessed rather than the current nine; and "more rigorous" back handicapping.
Report comingupthehill September 4, 2021 11:56 PM BST
The British hcper is so out of touch with his marks. He believes that because in the previous 3 years prior to this year he had the ratings correct. Because for 3 years there was 5 Irish and 5 British winners of the hcps. Just shows how wrong he is. Given 70% of the entries are British. Then clearly a 5/5 win ratio is way off. Yet he sees this as a success. The brits should be winning 7 out of 10 of the hcps.
So tweaking a pound here and there at the fringes won’t do the job. Even in the Ebor 2 weeks ago. The winner won a listed race 2 races back and it’s rating didn’t move. It then ran 4th and was dropped 1lb. If that had been a British horse it would of gone up 7 then probably 1 for the 4th.
The mimimum rise for Irish horses should be a blanket 7lb plus more for ones that seem well hcpd
Their racing is more competitive so a win in Ireland is worth more than a win in England.
The problem with this years Cheltenham was all the more worrying. Cos the Irish had plundered the big Cheltenham hcps all season. So the writing was on the wall.

Too little too late. Then in 5 years it will happen again.

You can look at all the hcps all year when Irish horses meet British ones. You can then work out how much weight they are out by. It’s very simple.
Report irishone September 5, 2021 8:19 PM BST
I think its deeper than that

As a Galway member I can walk the track regularly
The Going often described as "Heavy" would be called "MEETING ABANDONED ....WATERLOGGED" in the U K

I have the feeling that the UK handicapper has no clue about the way things are run in Ireland and does not want to go over to Ireland or to visit any Irish trainers to learn. The BHA is keeping aloof from any controversy....aloof from the perceptive wrongs and corruption.

That is the problem.
They think they know it all but they are proved wrong time after time.

I dont know if its snobbishness, racist or beneath their diginity to get off their backsides and find out what is going on with these Irish trainers in Ireland. It is making the BHA and British horse racing look embarrassing.
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