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Supreme Novices Hurdle 2021
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I would not argue with them if they considered the Supreme was an easier looking race than the Triumph, personally I was really impressed with French Aseel too and think he'd be a big threat in the Triumph, better ground will see him even better too.
Zanahiyr would go off favourite for the Supreme I reckon. |
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Pocket talking. Zanahiyr running here is akin to Energumene running in the JLT. Why a reroute when the horse has an excellent chance in The Triumph? The stable companions do not even share the same owner.
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Energumene running in the JLT would be going to a harder race IMO. Anyway, the logic as I see it would be that the Triumph is one of the fewer races this year where Elliot is strong in depth, he could take his best one out and run it in the easier Supreme and attempt to kill 2 birds with one stone.
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I think Energumene has been known to jump slightly right at times, and in a 2m race will concede ground esp at Cheltenham to the Supreme winner Shishkin. The JLT and against Envoi Allen could bring into play his stamina, and possibly expose what Envoi Allen has done over fences so far.
I think Quilixios may encounter strong opposition against French Aseel, Nassalam and Adagio. His jumping is not as slick as Zanahiyr or these three against him. Between Zanahiyr and Quilixios the former would be the more likely Supreme bound, if he qualifies. A different ownership makes it unlikely either even if he qualifies. |
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Just run your horses in the race that suits them best, Fock all this easier race sh1te!!
To be honest I am sick of trainers trying to win as many races as possible, it’s become an obsession at Cheltenham, and frankly I find it tedious. One of the best chasers I have ever seen in a bl00dy long time never ran in the Arkle or Champion Chase cos of that obsession, Vautour goes down in history as the winner of JLT and Ryanair!! Sick of it |
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Well said budd
not sure you would say the same when talking of appreciate it though, who should be running in the ballymore hurdle  |
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This rumour to induce market manipulation is so common and prevalent round about this time prior to the Festival. For Elliot to even consider it would triumph the prediction of Mystic Meg about the winner of the County Hurdle 2021.
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I remember when Zanahiyr burst on to the scene and all you heard for a while was how he had blew everyone away with that performance at Fairyhouse and then backing it up, which got less fanfare but I thought was better again, anyway I reckon his supporters would be surprised that this close to the festival you could still get as big as 11/4 about him.
The look of the Triumph has gotten deeper and stronger I reckon, where as the Supreme has gone the other way,if he was targeted at the Supreme all along he'd be the price that AI is now for that race IMO. |
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AI would get done for toe in the ballymore, the typical Champion Hurdle breeding ground that it is, he's better off in setting an end to end gallop in the Supreme and hoping Zanahiyr doesn't come pi55ing past him off the home turn.
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That’s a fair point Duffy in regards the 11/4 you can certainly smell a rat.
The trouble for punters is being constantly put away by these trainers, hence why it’s small stuff for me now but happier with that and let the hype take over and fraudulent markets for race day  |
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The big 11/4 price feeds into your Supreme theory though doesn't it?
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Zanahiyr is 11/4 (best price) mainly because of his stable companions. And, Elliot is not adverse to running two in the same race. Neither is Hendo or Mullins.
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No I didn’t have any theory’s Duffy just thought after the trails that’s where I’d go with that allowance and after watching appreciate it and the other Irish horses, even more so
I do believe appreciate is a sitting duck in the supreme to something with a turn of foot, hence my argument that they should pull stumps and go up in trip for the ballymore with a hold up ride for him. I suppose because I haven’t an interest betting wise in the supreme (apart from buttons on appreciate it) I can have a different opinion but I do make him interesting Zanahiyr. It was more to do with the amount of horses the trainer has to win the triumph race, who probably wouldn’t be suited to a supreme and he would. This is the problem now with all the good horses being housed in just a few barns I’m afraid |
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Exactly.
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Uhtred runs today,I thought he was
injured.If he wins or puts up a good performance could be a big player in this. |
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Ellliott said: "Zanahiyr will run in the Triumph. He's favourite for it, and that's where he will go. He's had his three runs and has picked up plenty of experience. We didn't run him at the Dublin Racing Festival and kept him back to go straight to the Triumph instead. He's in great form."
On the unbeaten Quilixios, Elliott said: "I'm not sure what sort of mark Quilixios would get in the Boodles, but he'll certainly have an entry to find out. We'll see what mark he gets and then decide whether to go there or to the Triumph. He was very good at Leopardstown." |
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No Supreme for Zanahiyr - the rumour mongering is quashed; Quilixios could go to the Boodles Handicap, however.
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Like to know Willies plans, he still has two debutants in the race. would be typical for second or third string to usurp the fav. Couple already out to 1000\1 on here , cant be right when they are still entered ?. Anyone know anything about johnjoes one soaring glory ?
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Leading Supreme hope Thedevilscoachman to miss Cheltenham for Fairyhouse
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Dreal Deal ruled out of Supreme
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backed irascable a while back at 28/1 and went in again at 40/1 non runner no bet yesterday each way wernt that far off the fav 2 runs ago and although needs a fair bit to find is lightly raced and could improve and if the fav bombs who knows !
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Had a big lump on Bob Olinger nrnb at 10/1 just in case they divert him - no risk and if he runs will be about 7/2.
Also backed Blue Lord with Skybet 14/1 nrnb money back. |
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I am surprised it took so long for doubts about Soaring Glory to emerge
His near hind werent right to me after the betfair hurdle yet he pulled away willingly on the run in. |
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8 runners ,app it ,blue lord,ballyadam. grumpy c,irascable, soaring glory,metier,for pleasure.
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That is poor
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No interest here after the defection of Dreal Deal. I cannot back Mullins' with free money.
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Can Blue Lord still be declared for Ballymore or Grand Annual ?
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someone on another thread said a horse only allowed to run in 1 race at the festival now...dunno if that helps you at all
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Yeah I think that post was about a horse running in more than two races if it fell in the first race etc
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who would have thought neither nicholls or henderson would have a runner. questions need asking.
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Me
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Hendo would likely have had the second or third favourite, but injured.
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 Do you ever miss an opportunity? |
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worst supreme that i,ve seen , but , grateful we are to be entertained . I reckon the favourite is beatable , he reminds me of "his song " a big dour grinder . no rain forecast at present for the week so its likely to ride quicker than the soft forecast on rp , especially on unopened ground . i think ballyadam looks to have the class / speed credentials to reverse the formlines just like french ballerina did . Against him is the yard change , heard in the press the yards have the same feed though . best of luck
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10mm rain overnight.
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I suppose that Metier must be good but I can't even remember any of the races it has run in-and that is the second favourite!
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If you are going to back apprecaite it atoddson
may as well back blue lord ,four for a place 1\2 |
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Never in doubt
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I had a very small place bet on Blue Lord
 For Pleasure the first English trained home which sums it up really. |
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well done winners pished up!
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