Cheltenham Festival
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Thought worth starting a thread. I have a bit of inside info that Skelton thinks Third Time Lucky is one of the best he’s had. We have backed at big prices but still value in my opinion at 16/1 as you won’t see him at his best until he has generous pace with a hill to run up.
Skelton says Musselburgh trials day then Supreme is the plan but the owner hasn’t discounted Betfair Hurdle.
Appreciate it looks a very strong rival but bit short now.
Opinions?
Skelton says Musselburgh trials day then Supreme is the plan but the owner hasn’t discounted Betfair Hurdle.
Appreciate it looks a very strong rival but bit short now.
Opinions?
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Been fairly busy ain’t he , but looks interesting , and good that they think a lot of him. Not far behind AI in the Bumper .
Yep would not put anyone off backing him. Thanks Hibore. I |
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Hills going 16 any race Hibore, I’ve taken that.
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Definitely running in Supreme but 16/1 is best price anyway.
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hendo runs gallyhaill tommorow in newbury novice hurdle 2m ,a 3m point winner 33s supreme and 50s ballymore ,could be anything any info on it ?
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is this novice hurdle the one won by shishkin last year ?
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wasnt he one of those horses that cost big money ?
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dont know much about him at all gazo ! will do some research ,hendo hasnt got much for the supreme or ballymore and its interesting that he starts this one out in the newbury race shishkin won last year ,shishkin had fallen early on his hurdles debut at huntingdon thyen won the newbury hurdle then won at huntingdon before winning the supreme .
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sorry fell at newbury on hurdles debut ^^^^^
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cost £450,000
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Bought by Henrietta Knight for the current owners.
Surely bought for chasing. Might be a novive hurdler, but the Supreme? |
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it quite late to be bring a very inexperienced horse out if cheltenham is this year's target
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Completely agreed that Third Time Lucki is a nice antepost pick. 16-1 and 4-1 a place for an intended runner with minimal worries in a field of relative question marks barring the fave feels like a good bet.
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The good horse of Henderson’s out tomorrow at Doncaster...be interesting to see how he goes
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Very weak in the betting and the hood on for the quirky creature...maybe he isn’t pleasing them, will be a shame if he ends up chucking it in again
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and hendo not in the best form either .
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Well disappointing again pulling like a pig...they got the lot laying that again.
Oh well not to be for the horse, had his ears pricked at the last when beaten very strange |
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TTL running at Muss today. Hopefully decent pace and win decisively. Mike who owns him says he’s flying at home.
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If of course you are not telling porkys again
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Are you the person they refer to in English, Irish and Scotsman jokes.
That would make sense. |
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Particularly if you were the brit....
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TTL ran well....for an odds on favourite ?
Hows yer mate Mike ? Lies, lies and more lies ! |
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Village idiot
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Who exposed you as the liar you are !
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Village idiot
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When their going well at home race them at home,but in hindsight it's 40/1 now so you won't be disappointed
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Does anyone think Zanahiyr would turn up here with the 4 year old allowance? Elliott seems mob handed in the triumph, so surely one of horses may take in the supreme and he looks just the type
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i think they all have different owners so if Zanahiyr was yours would you switch ? i am sure i heard something that Quilixios cannot run in the supreme but wouldnt be surprised if one of his others did if the vibes in the stable about the other two are that strong,duffle coat might be suited by a very strongly run 2 mile supreme
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Agree gazo
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Metier goes straight here now.
Think this is a good animal. |
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i think they all have different owners so if Zanahiyr was yours would you switch ? I make him the fastest novice this season, so if I had no vested interest betting wise I’d switch him, I have never understood why more trainers have never taken advantage of the allowance in the supreme, it is priceless if you have a decent animal. |
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so you would take what you think is the best 4yo and put him in another race which could be more difficult ? even if you think the supreme isnt strong why change races
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A nonsensical remark by someone about the target for Zanahiyr? He's drifted 1/2 a point to 3/1 from 5/2. Market manipulation more likely, I think.
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No not the best 4 year old, the best novice period and it isn’t a more difficult race it’s easier
and yes I would because I have 3 others in the yard who can win the triumph and I’m get a huge weight concession in the supreme hence why I posted it |
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don't know how many have tried,but
you've got to go back to 1999 for the last winner,Hors La Loi.(Pipe) |
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Not many Penzance which is odd considering the weight concession...I was only interested in peoples views considering how many decent 4 year olds the trainer has in his barn. I haven’t bet him but think he’d be near favourite if running just interesting that’s all
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not having a pop,you think it's got
a good chance in this if running, that's fair enough,to me.The stats boys might post how many have run and where they've finished. GL |
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binocular tried and finished 2nd,i think the owner had short priced fav for triumph and thats the problem for elliot they are owned by different people
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These are some stats from gaulstats for supreme if you like stats...
not many 4 year olds have tried. Like I say it’s surprising considering the weight concession AGE - This century all bar two have been won by either a 5 or 6-year-old including all the last twelve. Won't be much of a filter. Six yr olds filled the top seven places last year and have won four of the last five. 65 horses aged 7 and above have tried in the past 26. Like-a-Butterfly '02 (8 yrs) and Captain Cee Bee '08 (7yrs) both won when well fancied, Simple Arithmetic ’95 and Chauvinist ‘03 only others to get placed. Sondrio ’89 only other winner from this age group in past 40 odd years. No seven year olds placed or priced under 14s since Dunguib 4/5 third in 2010. Only 11 others have tried. Appreciate It. No 4 yr old winner since Hors la Loi '99. Hors La Loi came from winning the 4 yr old Finesse on Trials Day. It was called the Summit Hurdle those days, was run on the mid December at Lingfield and he won by 16 lengths. Best since has been Binocular 2nd in 2008 He had come from winning the Adonis at Kempton. Fakir D'Oudairies 4th in 2019 backed down to 9/2 joint fav (along with a Betfair Hurdle winner, jeez) Couple of 4 yr old no hopers in previous two years, no triers in 6 years previous to that. 4 year olds get an 8lb allowance. Fakir ran here because the ill fated Sir Erec was meant to be a certainty for the Triumph. |