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13 Oct 20 07:44
Date Joined: 22 Sep 06
| Topic/replies: 48,937 | Blogger: irishone's blog
Thought the codd over rode that dark spark at kilbeggan today
Undulating r h track , cheltenham test
Let him know who was boss
heard he got one lined up for J P
might change
His mind given the way that took off
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Report Paterson92 October 13, 2020 6:31 PM BST
Seems that word has been out for a while now hence why he’s prominent in the ante post market, but SIR GERHARD is the talking horse for the Champion Bumper already. Trained by Gordon Elliott and owned by Cheveley Park, who bought him with a view to winning the race 3 years in a row.
Report irishone October 25, 2020 4:55 PM GMT
Not many would have been too interested in the last at Galway this evening but the conditions were awful. The bumper was run in a full pelt galway storm. The winner was one of Willies, very smart accelerated away top of the hill in a matter of strides. Ideal Cheltenham bumper horse , see what happens now, if willie puts him away for the winter that will be the mullins bumper horse for the festival. If you owned the horse I guess your view might be a little different .
Report SeeMoreBusiness December 5, 2020 11:44 PM GMT
rare I jump in this early but I have backed Kilcruit at 20/1 for this. Interesting he has moved to WM from TM.Form of the first bumper is ok. He hacked up today on a course I love for grooming good Cheltenham candidates. Worth ago I think
Report ambush January 2, 2021 9:47 PM GMT
ginto runs tomorrow.cost the morans 470.i could see it sharing favouritism tomorow evening if its impressive. the way the market is going at the moment the chelt bumper could be run in cullentra
Report Hibore January 3, 2021 9:08 AM GMT
Very interesting Ambush. Worth a pop at 20/1 on sports book. There is £700 waiting to be matched on exchange at 15.5 which is promising.
Report GAZO January 3, 2021 9:25 AM GMT
possibly because it was tipped up in the racing post
Report Hibore January 3, 2021 2:03 PM GMT
Backed into 14/1 now and plenty of money for him for today as well.
Report Bentring January 3, 2021 3:58 PM GMT
Mari wilson not what you wanted
Report Hibore January 3, 2021 4:04 PM GMT
Not for £470k Laugh
Report paulo47 January 3, 2021 5:52 PM GMT
Not a disaster , had a bit of 40s .
Report irishone January 16, 2021 6:50 AM GMT
Galway bumper winner Grangee , referred to above turns up for Willie Mullins at Market Rasen today, its been punted in recent weeks for the bumper from 40s down to 20s on BF . 33\1 with the books. Sending it to run in UK as he did with PANIC ATTACK last year, changed hands shortly afterwards and flopped since. Strange when owners have to pay 19% v a t on valueof horse.coming over after brexit, plus staff will have to isolate for ten days..... Something smells
Report cryoftruth January 16, 2021 3:57 PM GMT
Eileendover looks different gravy to me. 10/1 with a run AFTER today’s astonishing performance was utter madness, shame betfair sports book would only take a measly tenner.
Report Hibore January 16, 2021 4:10 PM GMT
Sounds very unlikely she will run. She could be a useful tool on the flat
Report impossible123 January 16, 2021 4:55 PM GMT
Nrnb is the way forward. Who knows...if her new owner (if sold to JP for £500k or more) runs her here. But, she's undoubtedly very good.
Report FOYLESWAR January 16, 2021 5:09 PM GMT
the itv team are hyping the fook out of it ,youd think it was frankle !
Report FOYLESWAR January 16, 2021 5:10 PM GMT
Report Hibore January 16, 2021 5:13 PM GMT
I wouldn’t be running at Cheltenham if she was mine. £40k race around Newbury in May against 5 opponents much more like it.
Report impossible123 January 16, 2021 6:00 PM GMT
I'd not sell her, breed from her yes given her age. Unless an offer of £1m, and that will put right so many issues at her stable and more. If she jumps hurdles and/or fences with aplomb she'd be a serious Champion Hurdle and/or Gold Cup contender receiving 7lbs from the boys.
Report Hibore January 16, 2021 6:09 PM GMT
Doubt you’ll ever see her run in a NH race again. No chance going hurdling with that ability.
The flat is her future Imp.
Report impossible123 January 16, 2021 6:29 PM GMT
You'd know better than me 'Hibore'. I only have an interest in horse racing in my leisure. And, even then mainly the good ones. I've to admit I'm an elitist. Also, I can just about tell the difference between a horse and a pony!
Report know all January 16, 2021 6:46 PM GMT
very impressive today Eileendover 7/1 with a run sportsbook there is a max stake but just bet it at lower stakes until it says no, non runner no bet. you only get one chance for a bumper winner at cheltenham especially a small stable like that if that was trained by mullins would be 2/1, the great frankel should have run in the derby i got 100/1 thinking its to good to miss, so i got the last one wrong which is why nrnb is great,
Report Hibore January 16, 2021 8:23 PM GMT
I’m not trying to be clever. The horse will be more lucrative in the flat sphere rather than staying in bumpers and hurdles.
The bumper is worth £30 or £40k not sure. It can bottom a horse so why risk it.
I think she would win if she ran but money and longer term goals should be taken into account.

We can always claim we had the best horse never ran whatever the result Cool
Report Autocue January 16, 2021 9:10 PM GMT
Agreed. She’s a flat-bred daughter of a high-class miler and granddaughter of an Oaks winner with a July Cup winner in the pedigree. It’s remarkable she can stroll through 2 miles on heavy then show a turn of foot. NH fans are lucky to have seen her in bumpers. I don’t see her running at Cheltenham. The Aintree mare’s bumper could be on the agenda then top flat tracks. One to look forward to and a credit to the owners/trainer/breeder.
Report impossible123 January 17, 2021 1:54 PM GMT
Eileendover is well bred. Any price for Eileendover in the Long Distance Cup or Ascot Gold Cup given Stradivarius could be retired or on the decline?
Report Bentring January 17, 2021 2:00 PM GMT
What are you smoking?
Report impossible123 January 17, 2021 2:11 PM GMT
If only. I think she'd be a freak. According to Horse Pedigree her Dosage Index is 1.67 - not even likely to stay 12f. And, she romped home over 15f on heavy ground. I'm surprised, given her breeding, she's not running on the Flat. If connections have a rethink I'd back her for one of the staying races eg Yorkshire Cup, etc, if she's entered.
Report irishone January 17, 2021 4:40 PM GMT
What are you injecting ?
Report cryoftruth January 18, 2021 9:22 AM GMT
It’s difficult to equate NHflat race form to flat proper form. Not many seem to do both.

Clever Cookie was a decent NH flat racer and was unbeaten in 2 such races getting a RPR of 109. His best ever flat proper RPR was 117.

Eileendover certainly looks as good as Clever Cookie and got a RPR of 112 for her amazing run on Saturday.

My best guess is that she is probably capable of a flat race rating of at least 112 and maybe as high as 120. This obviously makes the Cheltenham bumper a real possibility. She is unproven on decent going though and does seem to love soft or heavy going.

In terms of her potential for the flat proper, she would be a really interesting contender in a soft ground Yorkshire Cup.
Report clayfield1 January 18, 2021 11:35 AM GMT
cryoftruth, I know not many go from n/h flat to proper flat races. But what about Collier Hill for Alan Swinbank.
Report Saritamer January 18, 2021 9:37 PM GMT
I remember Mellottie trained by Mary Reveley in the early 90's. His first 2 or 3 wins were in NH flat races and then went on to run 2nd in the Cambridgeshire before winning it the following year - pretty unusual to say the least
Report Andymca January 19, 2021 11:02 AM GMT
Eileendover to miss Cheltenham
Report The_LUFCwaffe January 19, 2021 12:41 PM GMT
A sensible move by Pam Sly. This is a 4yo, and the Cheltenham Bumper can knock the stuffing out of young horses. Cue Card was a bit of an exception.

The Aintree options are more suitable.
Report irishone January 19, 2021 3:01 PM GMT
Weld won it a few years back with decent flat horse
Report Autocue January 19, 2021 6:33 PM GMT
They’ll want to breed from her. The Cheltenham bumper is a stepping stone for future hurdlers and chasers and this horse won’t be jumping so I can understand why they don’t feel the need for it on the CV. The Aintree mares race as a prep for a flat campaign, bringing hope for more black type, seems sensible.
Report muse January 19, 2021 8:20 PM GMT
I made my notes on the race before I saw Pam Sly's interview.  I doubt the suitabilty both of the course, and, chiefly, of the hurly burly. I have no idea why they would go to Cheltenham.
Report The_LUFCwaffe January 28, 2021 10:55 AM GMT
Any reason Noble **** doesn't show up on the markets anywhere??

Not going?
Not qualified?
Report duffy January 29, 2021 4:38 PM GMT
Three Stripe Life impressed me just then, took the 33's immediately after the race.
Report Andymca January 29, 2021 4:53 PM GMT
You must have been quick, 20s best price now and 16s NRNB
Report duffy January 29, 2021 4:57 PM GMT
I was
Report duffy January 29, 2021 5:06 PM GMT
Only a tenner
Report Andymca January 29, 2021 5:12 PM GMT
Hard to see past Elliotts other horse to be honest, but best of luck
Report duffy January 29, 2021 5:22 PM GMT
To be honest the Bumper isn't a race I even bother to pay any interest in and certainly don't know the ins and outs of the form, I just liked the way he toyed with the challenger before quickening away and just wondered what price he was, even accepting I didn't know the form of the others, on balance I thought that 33's was likely to be too big.
Report buddeliea January 30, 2021 9:03 AM GMT
Yep, looked impressive doing that in that ground.
Trainer talked him up before the race yesterday.
They think a lot of him.
Report Andymca January 30, 2021 11:41 AM GMT
16s across the boards now, including NRNB, so I have had a nibble myself
Report irishone February 7, 2021 7:23 PM GMT
“I was disappointed with her at Market Rasen. The winner looked a very good mare. However, she was a young mare travelling away for the first time and probably learned a lot from there.

“She enjoys being ridden that way. Patrick rode that way in Galway the first day, and that renews my faith in her.

“We’ll have a chat about where she goes and I’d always be keen to go to Cheltenham.”

Following in relegates footsteps
Report Bentring February 7, 2021 8:11 PM GMT
Why didn't this one stay in England,inthe words of his father (it's not fkn useless)
Report irishone February 7, 2021 9:00 PM GMT
Well he lobbed panic attack out of his stable to pipe , obviously something happened there, same owner bought her for less than 10k.

Syndicates mob are English and Irish , pile of them drinking in Galway after racing last October. Grangee is a little black mare loved Galway took the 50s and the 33s for the bumper, total guess last october but just thought with one of Willies anything could happen.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! March 17, 2021 4:28 PM GMT
Report Anyska March 17, 2021 4:38 PM GMT
grangree looks to have a decent chance at 20's, came from way off the pace in leopardstown
Report irishone March 17, 2021 5:03 PM GMT
Well done paterson !
Report irishone February 23, 2022 7:14 PM GMT
Imagine a trainer in ireland running a horse he has known all winter is a bit special.
He saves it and saves it until three weeks before the big day
Wins its prep 5 lengths goes to cheltenham and upsets willies annual applecart
He has done it before
Imagine !
Report PeteTheBloke February 23, 2022 8:04 PM GMT
It's a great idea, but where would ye bet it?
Report brandyontherocks February 23, 2022 9:18 PM GMT
Nicely bred too
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