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King George 2020
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British bred horses have won 2 out the last 5. French 2 wins and Irish 1.
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Try googling "probability sampling" Hibore
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Ok, maybe you need to expand and explain rationale before just saying British Bred is a negative to winning.
Over the last 20 years there have been 12 different winners 6 French, 4 Irish and 2 British. But over the last 40 years there have been 10 French, 7 Irish and 7 British horses that have won the race. In total the French have won 19 runnings, Irish 9 runnings and British 12 runnings. Therefore being French bred is a big positive, but being British is not as bIg a negative as your stats show. I’d rather have a constructive conversation over this as I own shares in a French and an Irish horse so no tub thumping over British bred. I want horses to win. |
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Blimey, didn't realise it was that bad, 2 different winners out of 12 in the last 20 years ? That's a bigger negative than the original figures I posted (4/21)
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It’s definitely a big negative for my fancy Champ with Irish horses only 22.5% in the last 40 years. Let’s hope he can buck the trend.
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Who Dares Wins out to boost the Master Tommytucker form tomorrow at Royal Ascot - currently a short priced favourite to win the Queen Alexandra Stakes haha!
On a serious note, 3 Royal Ascot runners from Alan King so far this week returning 2 winners and a 2nd - unbelievable stuff! |
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who dares wins the last and kings other runner the 2 yo finished 5th... 3 winners from from 5 runners takes some doing
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And none ridden by Moore - a big plus.
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think what would of happened if Willie or Gordon had bothered their r ses
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Was just watching an interview with Harry Cobden and he advised Master Tommytucker has had a wind op over the summer ... should hopefully win the KG easier now haha!
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piece in guardian today p. nicholls "clan des will obviously go king george and real steal could go with him may also cyrname if he proves stamina at down royal over 3 m
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"could" and "may" "obviously" key words.
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Master Tommytucker set to make his seasonal reappearance at Newton Abbot this Sunday in a 2m5f Intermediate Chase.
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nice one good luck !
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Would have been nice to dream a little longer, but that’s racing!
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To be fair
Might be asking a bit too much too early Some horses get over Wind op better than others |
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Hello all, hope you are all safe and well.
Hoping someone can help? Placed a bet on Champ to win both KG and Gold Cup @ 50/1,think around April/May time, and stupidly did not note the bookie. Anyone know which bookies were offering odds on the double, so to save me trawling through my accounts? Would be much appreciated. |
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Budd.. try your 365 account..still 50’s with them..
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Cheers Wills, will do.
If i recall correctly i dont think many were doing this bet at that time. Have a feeling 365,Sky and WH were offering this so will try them first. |
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Yep,365
Much appreciated Wills, saved me some time. |
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hi budd glad to see ya back !
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Hi Foyles, cheers. Hope alls well with you.
Good to see it all starting again,we all need a tonic right now.......nothing like the NH season to provide that mate. |
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hey budd theres a rumour that hendo has indicated the savills chase as an xmass target for champ . heard on twitter ,could be just hearsay,
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cheers bud yeah ooking forward to it ,had a cracking flat campaign on the ante post best ever in terms of winnings hope it carries on to the jumps good luck..
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Yep Nicky doesnt think Kempton is his track .
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365 do a cash out dont know if it applys still but i cashed out of my master tommy tucker bets with no probs after his run last time
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I’ve cashed out my Champ bets and moved some onto Lostintranslation at 8/1. Paddy is 12/1 Champ I’d I need to reinvest.
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Cheers lads.
Well it would be good to see Champ take on the Irish,and would be helpful in gauging the brits and the Irish respective chances in March. Its only a fun bet, as those sort of bets should be really. In truth i think a CDO and Santini/ABP double is much more realistic. |
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Wouldn't Kempton be a bit sharp and a problem for Champ's jumping, but I suppose you have the price to find out.
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Yes Duffy, i think you are more likely right then wrong.
Way i look at these type of bets is that should he run and take to it and win,all of a sudden i have 50 for the Gold Cup on a horse that will be single figures, if not i lose a small amount of cash. I did a similar thing with Cue Card,cant recall if it was the double or treble,but i ended up with 66 for the Gold Cup off a small outlay,and put me in a good position on the day,which enabled me to punt on some others on the day. Unfortunately he fell,and Don Cossack i think was the only one that lost me money on the race !!  |
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Henderson reporting via his blog that Champ has had a wind-op and also spent with a week with Henrietta Knight trying to brush up his jumping.
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To clarify, Champ spent the week with Henrietta and not Nicky ... don’t want rumours spreading haha!
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Good to read that De Bromhead is thinking of the KG for Monalee as per my suggestion on page 1.
 Have laid off some of my CDO bet and had that stake on Monalee at 20/1. Now win about the same whichever wins.  |
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Much more like it from Master Tommytucker the last twice, particularly today under a fine ride from the front by Sam Twiston Davies. Unfortunately, he’s been taken out of the King George.
Clan Des Obeaux lost nothing in defeat today and as far as I’m concerned, the King George is his to lose. Cyrname was impressive the last day but I’m still not entirely convinced. |
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I do not think CDO has had a hard race today. He travelled well throughout and was not vigorously ridden when his lack of fitness and stamina were evident 1 out. I hope 5 weeks is adequate time for CDO to get over his exertion today. My only reservation is he and Cyrname share the same trainer.
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Of course he had a hard race.
Trying to win over 3m against a horse like BDM at Haydock in heavy ground? |
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I agree budd that was a big effort plus a career best for me as never liked him myself. Anyway he will have to run another career best again but he might and clearly likes it round kempton, his price however makes no appeal. I will say that I do feel Bristol isn’t as good as he once was but was still good enough. Lostintransaton was bitterly disappointing but maybe he just cannot handle that going, he seems an in and out character to me, so wouldn’t know what to expect from him if they even run him
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Well hes clearly suited to Kempton, and if hes recovered well enough he will run a big race again.
Think its advantage Cyrname now though. As for LIT, not the brightest decision to run him on ground he hates....imo. |