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certainly needs to jump better
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sure he will in a fast run champ in march
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Winner did not jump well, pace was too slow for him and he hit the front way too soon, then tried to pull himself up all the way to the line but was still too good.
Winner was the best horse in the race IMO and if they get the right headgear onto him we might see an even better horse to what we've seen already. Abacadabras has had a big fan club that does now appear to have deserted him, whereas there has been an over reaction the other way to Saint Roi's win in the county where he was very well handicapped. I just don't quite get the Saint Roi Champion Hurdle leap!! |
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Make no mistake
This was the best in gordons V the best in willies Both likely cheltenham winners Whichever race they go in |
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Thats twice now that JTM has finished virtually alongside Abacadabras.
One is 10 the other 25 on oddschecker. Personally i dont think any of those two or SR will win the CH,but i know which one i would back e/w at the prices. |
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Are you any the wiser as to which of those 3 would win at Cheltenham in March? I would just favour Saint Roi as he was finishing strongly and should relish the hill. I still think that Epatante will win if she turns up in the same form this season but mares being what they are, that can't be guaranteed.
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You do like to think SR will get a better ride .....
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Willie Mullins retains full faith in Saint Roi despite his odds-on defeat at Punchestown on Sunday.
Mullins was aiming to win the Morgiana Hurdle for a 10th straight year with last season’s County Hurdle hero, but he endured a luckless run. Having raced keenly through the early stages before making a mistake at the final flight, Saint Roi eventually closed to within a neck of Abacadabras. “So much went wrong, but there are a lot of positives to take out of it,” said Mullins. “He was beaten only a neck and in another couple of strides past the line he was probably in front. “He made mistakes and got on the wrong side of things here and there, but the performance was still good. He was pulling hard and Mark (Walsh) was caught between a rock and a hard place. “The ground was testing and he was hoping he’d drop the bridle halfway around. Then they all rushed by him at the second last and he found himself in a bad position, but these things happen. “I’m hoping what we learned about the horse might be to our advantage the next day. I’d imagine Leopardstown at Christmas is the obvious route with him. “He made a few mistakes, but I think that was because he was pulling so hard on heavy ground. On faster ground there will be a better pace and it will suit him better.” |
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Ditto the winner, looks like there might be continued added value each time Abacadabras runs this season, I'm not even his biggest fan but would take him over the county hurdle winner off 138 at the prices.
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I think SR ought to have won yesterday with a more tactical speed - he lost crucial position when the others quickened. But, winning the Champion Hurdle against Epatante? I do have grave doubt, all things being equal.
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I think at the current prices the 25's available about SALDIER and SCEAU ROYAL represents a little bit of value.
Saldier has issues with his soundness but has form surrounding a previous CH winner and his winning of the Morgiana beating an albeit disappointing Sharjah puts him right in the bunch immediately behind Epatante. I don't know if Sceau royal is going back fencing and it would be easy to overlook him as he would appear exposed and has been around and proved to be below the level required but that's not taking account an apparent change to him so far this season. He appears transformed, he's always been a smooth traveller but is now finding lots off the bridal too. His easy dismissal of Ballyandy in Wales got a little boost in the Greatwood as that one ran really well off top weight. When you look down the CH market what we saw yesterday in Ireland constitutes a large bulk of the opposition to the solid fav and there is another bunch of horses that will only run if their fencing careers doesn't work out. |
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Yeh, im on Saldier at 25,just hoping he can come back in the form hes capable of.
If he does hes a major player imo. At this stage i see last years winner,Goshen and hopefully Saldier as the ones. |
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am also on saldier 25s each way but more confident with saint roi if all line up .
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I think people need their head testing wanting to back either saint roi or abracadabra at the current odds... both should be 12/1 at least in my book
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some interesting possibles for the fighting fith ,,,epatante,goshen,sceux royal,abracadabras,main fact,not so sleepy,ballyandy,jason the mil,among others .
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Yes Harry, have to agree with that.
Aspire Tower is 20/1 with any amount of improvement to come. And he comes out very similar to ABRA on the last run. |
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Cant wait to see Goshen hurdling again, just hope he is the same horse as last season,added to the improvememt for age i would expect..
Most exciting horse for me this season. |
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Yes agree budd but once again considering how he has run so far on the flat, albeit probably needing it, his price is still well to short to want to take a shot at him for the champion
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epatante the one to beat but worth remembering that this time last year she wernt on the radar having been unsighted when fav for the mares novices hurdle at the fest, she only really started to come onto the champ hurdle radar when she won the newbury handicap then the xmas hurdle showed what she was capable of .impressive in the champion and room for improvment but just the price puts me off , abra 158 saint roi 157 on official figgas and a few others have plenty of room for improvement so its all to play for and as we know anything can happen. agree abra and saint roi should be around double figgas but happy to be on at 25s each way . am also on abracadabras at 12s each way .
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I was against Abas all last year, his head carriage has been iffy from the word go, you could see it as far back as the previous festivals bumper and the concern is that his quirkiness is getting worse.
That being said he is still operating at a high enough level with that hindrance to him so it is reasonable to wonder just what he might look like if they can sort him out by way of some kind of headgear, they must try, he could have another another level to go to. Imagine if he put his head down and ran right to the line the other day, he'd have been a cosy winner and Saint Roi would have looked comfortably held even with the run he got. |
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good post duffy i did back him for the supreme novice but his bumper run was always at the back of my mind, it jumped to the front of my mind on the run to the line,regarding sundays race i could not agree more with those comments.
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Already decided to ignore that race in relation to the CH,aside from a cheeky e/w dabble on JTM at big odds, i just dont think Aba or SR are any value to be honest,from what i have seen anyway.
Be intersting as the season progresses, but their are a few others that imo represent better value. |
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saldier no go on sunday ,was due to take on honeysuckle and co ,a bit concerning given his fragility , have cashed out of my bet for the churdle on him ,can always go back in later if everything seems ok .
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Hope hes ok, im on him at 25.
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probably nothing untoward budd but with his history if ya can cash out till more news on him ,dont think his price will contract till he is declared for one of the trials .
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Yeh Foyles, just had a look on irish racing site but cany find any info on why he not running.
Given his past its worrying. Think hes potentially the best 2m hurdler around. |
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Hoping for Honeysuckle and Epatante for my 10 to follow. The opposition to either is not looking strong.
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might be in the racin post in his column tommorow bud
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Cheers Foyles
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Surely Honeysuckle will be second favourite if she runs in the CH?
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Depends what happens in the Irish Champion hurdle I'd have thought when she will face Abacadabras and Saint Roi.
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Honeysuckle
Saint Roi Abracadabras Darver Star .....and its only December , Henderson wont be sleeping too well ! |
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If Honeysuckle was to turn up in March, Hendo may have a concern, but the other three? Doubt much sleep lost there imo.
He should be more concerned about whether Goshen turns up!!! And a fit Saldier. |
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Gavin isnt worried about bringing Darver over according to my farrier
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I am a big doubter of Goshen. Showed nothing on the flat after that bad fall and has been withdrawn at least once already. I have a feeling there might be a mares 123 in the CH this season.
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Sage
There are doubts re Goshen. Thats why i said whether he turns up. If he does that means hes proved himself this season. |
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Honeysuckle , epatante and who sage ?
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Concertista......i hope !!
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One of the mares that Henderson ran at Newbury? Not sure which is the best despite the result last week. Few had Epatante on their radar this time last year.
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At the prices I would take Concertista over Honeysuckle, I dont think Honesuckle is quick enough, Abacadabras would be my first choice out of the Irish though, he'll travel through the race at the pace no problem, just what's between his ears late on could cost him....as well as Epatante of course.
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