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Somerset Sam
13 Mar 20 16:09
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The magic carrots. Felt he wanted to say more there and then decided otherwise!
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Report Cash Is King March 13, 2020 11:00 PM GMT
Philip Hobbs needs ........ to retire.

Bonkers decision to run Britain’s top 2 & 1/2 mile staying novice in the 3 mile Albert Bartlett.
Report cloone river March 15, 2020 11:10 PM GMT
I think he had the carrots a few years ago.
Report geoff m March 16, 2020 6:17 AM GMT
Yep he certainly created far more interest in what he hinted but didnt say and just bagged it up in "COINCIDENCE" bracket
Report FOYLESWAR March 16, 2020 7:17 AM GMT
what did he hint geoff?
Report sageform March 16, 2020 7:51 PM GMT
No doubt in my mind what he meant. Three Irish jockeys made sure that Thyme Hill could not win before fighting it out between them. It was as blatant a plan as I have seen for years and it worked. You could argue that Johnson should have seen it coming but he was entitled to come to the stands side where they murdered him before and after the last. Best horse finished fourth, no question. No excuses for Sporting John or Defi though.
Report cloone river March 16, 2020 11:15 PM GMT
If Thyme hill was good enough he would have won.
Report sageform March 17, 2020 8:03 AM GMT
Really? If he had the tactical speed to have gone clear after the second last I agree but he didn't have any chance to accelerate between a furlong before the the last flight and the line as he was repeatedly obstructed by one of the other three.
Report irishone March 17, 2020 6:11 PM GMT
Hobbs had willies best bumper horse panic attack, the day she moved was the day to start laying as it proved.
Report penzance March 17, 2020 6:27 PM GMT
Pipe now has Panic Attack.
Report firstimevisor March 17, 2020 6:52 PM GMT
Sageform you are way over the top here. Planned in advance??? 4 top jocks fighting out a finish(does it matter what nationality they are?) and no quarter given which is exactly as it should be.
Cooper got to the rail first and wasn't giving it up to anybody.Thyme Hill may or may not have been an unlucky loser but if Dicky had been in the front line of 3 he would have done exactly the same, ie shut as many doors around him as much as the rules will allow. Had any of the first 3 wilted on the run in he could have squeezed through but as it happened they all found plenty. Nothing whatsoever to see here never mind some half-baked conspiracy theory of a combined Irish attempt to stitch up an Englishman.
Report irishone March 17, 2020 7:06 PM GMT
Bit of pocket talking

Going on......

.... on this forum now
Report buddeliea March 17, 2020 7:49 PM GMT
Thought at the time Dickie rode a bad race,still think that.
Report geoff m March 18, 2020 6:38 PM GMT
sorry foyles for late reply .He mad a comment and was pressed by Lydia(evey fcker else would have let it drop) so good on her and repleid something to the effect isnt it a coincidence that majority of the races are being won by 3 trainers.

take it as yer will,but to me he didnt seem too happy a bunny and gave impression "things where going on "shall we say that he didnt want to elaborate on anymore.

That was my take anyway.
Report geoff m March 18, 2020 6:39 PM GMT
as Somerset Sam indicated in his initial post.
Report irishone March 18, 2020 8:12 PM GMT
That would be the undetectable
drug from australia
That the irish are on no doubt
Report cloone river March 18, 2020 9:24 PM GMT
Did one of Hobbs horses fail a drugs test 3 years ago at Ludlow?
Report GAZO March 19, 2020 9:14 AM GMT
its just that the henderson,elliot and mullins horses are all geared to end of season festivals,they dont really care if they get beat early in season and in some cases if the horse is high enough in handicap to get in cheltenham races they probally wont win and if they need to rise in handicap they will probally win or run well
Report irishone March 19, 2020 1:46 PM GMT
For me the underlying cause is the uk
Being too p c
Over here we dont have the issues
You make on horse welfare
Health and safety of employees in the racing industry
Restrictions from the bha
Its over done and the poor feckers trying
To keep everything whiter than white
Instead of getting the horse home first
Nice ideal yes, but in reality bolox
Report sageform March 19, 2020 3:09 PM GMT
I know Philip Hobbs quite well and I have never seen him so angry as he was after that race. It has nothing to do with magic carrots and everything with race riding. Townend got a 2 day suspension for that by the way. Johnson might still have won after the first interference but Davy then shut the door again after the last. Call it race riding if you like but I know what happened. Aiden's army do the same on the flat and target the main danger at every opportunity.
Report sageform March 19, 2020 3:13 PM GMT
irishone, if it is acceptable in Ireland then that is fine. If they had done the same in almost any other country apart from Ireland or GB both Townend and Russell would have lengthy bans and would be disqualified.
Report irishone March 19, 2020 5:09 PM GMT
I knew a jockey once hit the gold cup winner over the permitted number of times , got the ban , cheated blatantly but still won the race.

His name was richard johnson as well funnily enough.
Report sageform March 19, 2020 7:22 PM GMT
Two wrongs.... I know it is a part of racing but no easier to take when you know the best horse could never win the race.
Report irishone March 19, 2020 8:55 PM GMT
Its not just the horse though is it ?
Same as santini really
The jockey was to blame not the horse
Unfortunately you are backing both
Everyone praised Codd for the ride on Ravenhill
But when he held baker in with his arm
In the kim muir no one said it was rank bad riding
Except the stewards . He was totally out of order
Getting into a personal battle riding a fav
His attitude was feck the horse
.....yet it was a previous cheltenham winner
For me thats just as bad as jockeys
Losing position at a vital stage of any race
Unfortunately the best horse often loses
Report cloone river March 19, 2020 9:40 PM GMT
You dont pass Cod on the inside Irishone.The golden rule.   https://twitter.com/i/status/1205571564869181440
Report irishone March 20, 2020 11:11 PM GMT
Laugh
Report Somerset Sam March 23, 2020 12:49 PM GMT

Mar 19, 2020 -- 4:09PM, sageform wrote:


I know Philip Hobbs quite well and I have never seen him so angry as he was after that race. It has nothing to do with magic carrots and everything with race riding. Townend got a 2 day suspension for that by the way. Johnson might still have won after the first interference but Davy then shut the door again after the last. Call it race riding if you like but I know what happened. Aiden's army do the same on the flat and target the main danger at every opportunity.


Sageform,

Its the Cheltenham Festival and you have four horses going up that hill at the end of an extreme test for a young horse. PH may have every right to be disappointed with how things turned out but that same scenario would have happened to any other horse in the same scenario.

In short, I dont think his horse was targeted by the other 3 to avoid him winning. As has already been said the horse did have its chances to come back and failed to do so. Could it overturn form with the others in the future? Absolutely he could but Hobbs' horses were largely under a cloud at Cheltenham and that's perhaps where his pent up frustration stems from.

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