F~~k me, You people tie yourself in knots over very simple things.

I really shouldn't try and explain what the word "Work" means in racing and then how "a piece of work" would be done according to a timescale regarding a run.

May as well be talking to geese.

Thanks gut feeling. There have been many occasions where posters have asked questions and rather than judge whether they should or shouldn't already understand the answer I and other posters have attempted to help. Each to their own no worries but Budd is right there is a bigger picture here and I completely understand and respect your loyalty I was more hoping somebody with a different association might be able to help. Good luck sir

The point here (for me anyway)is the bookies knew he weren't running according to the books,(PP seem to know everything!!)and the trainer said he will run depending on a workout.
This then leads people into thinking hang on,he's now not running......is he ok?

Like I say Budd, You over complicate things, Trainers are asked questions all the time, They give answers, Mostly ones they already know the answer too, Trying to read into them something that isn't there is pointless, Best to not listen and as you alluded too, Watch the markets, The truth is usually there.
As for explaining something like what "Work" actually means I did that, Look what it led too, Total confusion.

Miltons, You won't get people with actual knowledge posting here, The place is viewed as somewhere to be avoided by nearly all involved in racing, Most left a long time ago.

It's awkward to speak on here if you have a racing pass as all your details once you receive a pass are passed onto the BHA & they have BF monitor your exchange / sportsbook accounts, Whether that monitoring applies to the forum I'm not sure but most cut themselves off at that point as it's simpler.

I used to enjoy this place but nowdays I find it not really my best use of spare time hence I don't say much, But if I said more I could compromise my anonymity so I can't be anything but basic / direct with my input, To spell everything out which may only be known by a handful of people would cut me out of certain loops.

I wish you well for March.

I am still confused has there been any official comments about yesterday’s workout?

I think the main thing to grasp here is to be guided with what the market says, if the odds for him are way too big and the trainer however suggests that he might run, don't muse over why he said it as the market says different, just disregard his comment, don't bother yourself about it and don't spend too much time on why he said it.

Just think to yourself, "He's talking total b0ll0x" and leave it at that.

Duffy.... it was never about that .... there is a much bigger picture than whether we were capable of reading the market and therefore able to put the comments into context. Of course we were. This is about punters continuing to be the red headed step child. It’s like we get hit and just take it over and over again. Worse than that we even quietly admire the people that are hitting us. Defending , justifying, enjoying the sparring aren’t we clever being able to separate the wheat from the chaff .

The RP had big headline about EA participation depending on critical workout. THEY knew when they printed that that he wasn’t going to run. Effing grow a pair ask the trainer in which case why is the best novice hurdler around 7-1. As a punter I want them to be journalists and not note takers. This is just an adjective and nothing against GE who I happen to think is a truly remarkable trainer.The whole thing is so psychophantic and subservient it is pathetic. Even tv celebrities who claim to look out for the punter are so far up top trainers and owners rectums that they let everything slide. God forbid we actually ask a tough question.

I can barely get a bet on. And we are now subsidising their lost FOBT revenue. Anyone that gambles is addicted. Jockeys hate us because we have never ridden a horse, professionals hate us because we are clueless and naive and not in the know. We are worse than Millwall.

Oi,miltons, I am a Millwall fan, we are lovely people, if you do not say sorry, I am going to smash your face in!!

Excellent ... while I have you would you tolerate a guess as to who your ballymore dark horse is

If correct that is outstanding information sir

More like Terry Hurlock!!

Never heard of him.  Norman Hunter, yes!

Confirmed for the Ballymore/Neptune; no further run needed (sufficiently experienced), but straight to the Festival.

I know you don’t gutfeeling and I know you try and help and it likely doesn’t come across this way but it is appreciated. I suspect you are the exception not the rule and I can assure you it wasn’t aimed at you personally. As I said I hope that you continue on here as you have a different and valuable perspective.

Of course it's wrong though whether we know the score or not, as budd said earlier some casual punters might not know.

Well if deptford is correct and CH is pitching up here then he is significant value at 20s. His ptp form is very strong. He beat edwardstone in his bumper and a subsequent grade 2 winner in his novice hurdle.

Well I think...sorry know,its wrong,whatever affect it has on casual punters or indeed seasoned punters,which was what I have been saying.

Like your last bit though, am on SJ any race at a nice price, and hope we see him soon.

Fair enough Gut,like you say we have plenty to pick over.

Yeh,its a bet I like,and probably overlooked as not been seen for a while,but like you say their is some nice form revolving around him.

Best to you too.

One at a huge price on here that might be worth a couple of quid. Botox Has. Has course form, desperate for a step up in trip, already as experienced as many of the older horses. Trainer has suggested this as a possibility and has a front runner for the triumph. There are obvious negatives but only to be expected at 180 or so

Looks like deptford may well have got it right with CH  as trainer stated thinks he may need to step up another half mile. Entered Newbury Saturday.