just a brief write up not going through all the runners but one who sticks to me out and is a price and with the right connections is BURROWS SAINT a good winner of the irish grand national and on an upward curve last season . a decent hurdler it wasnt untill sent over fences that he started to show a lot of improvement and after a decent 4th 20l behind arkle winner duc de generes over a trip to short he was stepped up and won his next 2 races and went off a well backed fav for the irish gn at fairyhouse, travelling and jumping well he ran out a good winner ,soft ground will suit and a staying trip obv suits rated 156 if he can continue on the upward curve he could be a bit of value for the gold cup at 50/1 with billys . selection gold cup ......burrows saint 50/1 1 point each way ..............opinions welcome !
This year's renewal will be significantly more taxing to ABP given the presence of Lost and Santini assuming Santini recaptures the form of last season similarly, Lost in the Betfair Chase; Kemboy, if he runs to potential, and Cheltenham is not a bogey venue.
The others can stay at home, all things being equal. They had their chances, and exposed eg Presenting Percy.
This year's renewal will be significantly more taxing to ABP given the presence of Lost and Santini assuming Santini recaptures the form of last season similarly, Lost in the Betfair Chase; Kemboy, if he runs to potential, and Cheltenham is not a bog
Nothing in horse racing is simple, and it's only simple post a race when the form has been vindicated. Just look back at the run of Champ in The Dipper; the wayward horse was let down by his "experienced" jockey not on-top of the task-at-hand. Fir instance, his jockey was looking around rather focusing and trying to minimise or prevent the waywardness of Champ . I think his previous race behaviour would have been alarm-bell for any other jockey!
Thank-goodness, nothing untoward came from that unfortunate/unnecessary spill.
Nothing in horse racing is simple, and it's only simple post a race when the form has been vindicated. Just look back at the run of Champ in The Dipper; the wayward horse was let down by his "experienced" jockey not on-top of the task-at-hand. Fir in
Has ABP improved now hes 8 with more experience?,likely I would think. Have DW and Santini improved from their novice season? Certainly Looks like DW has given hes just beat proven Grade 1 performers. Make your own mind up re Santinis performance at Sandown, but I think hes entitled to have improved. Just a few questions that I think have the answer to,but by no means definite. That's without LIT who at his form with BDM puts him bang in the picture,and Kemboy with his form in beating ABP last season.
Indeed Foyles,and in truth its far from simple.Has ABP improved now hes 8 with more experience?,likely I would think.Have DW and Santini improved from their novice season? Certainly Looks like DW has given hes just beat proven Grade 1 performers.Make
I'd be fascinated to see Santini in headgear, he has loads of ability but he is very awkward, his head carriage wasn't great in the RSA but in his debut this season it was very clear. As he hit the front he stuck his head in the air and pulled himself up, but close to home with a horse next to him he bowed his head and stuck on.
Some form of headgear is essential for him to realize his potential, with it and provided it works he'd be interesting.
I'd be fascinated to see Santini in headgear, he has loads of ability but he is very awkward, his head carriage wasn't great in the RSA but in his debut this season it was very clear. As he hit the front he stuck his head in the air and pulled himsel
Bristol de mai,maybe a bit of an overlook? Good run last year finishing 3rd,could place again,would not be a total shock as he's pretty consistent. 50/1 currently available. That may not be later today. Small e/w bet for me.
Bristol de mai,maybe a bit of an overlook?Good run last year finishing 3rd,could place again,would not be a total shock as he's pretty consistent.50/1 currently available.That may not be later today.Small e/w bet for me.
Ran well again today,had he not made that error 3rd last would have been very close. Santini now 7/1. I would expect Santini to beat him again over the Gold Cup conditions,but still feel at the prices hes value for a place.
Ran well again today,had he not made that error 3rd last would have been very close.Santini now 7/1.I would expect Santini to beat him again over the Gold Cup conditions,but still feel at the prices hes value for a place.
Twiston Davies apparently has had a rare bet on BDM at 33/1. Surely it’s a better Gold Cup this year with the 2019 Gold Cup and JLT horses all looking smart.
Twiston Davies apparently has had a rare bet on BDM at 33/1. Surely it’s a better Gold Cup this year with the 2019 Gold Cup and JLT horses all looking smart.
A bit of money for the quirky chappie probably trainer comments induced after his triumph at the weekend. The price of Lostintranslation is bigger than quirky chappie despite beating the same horse over that horse's fav track, and more convincing too.
I hope (and expect) Kemboy to do the business in Ireland this weekend.
A bit of money for the quirky chappie probably trainer comments induced after his triumph at the weekend. The price of Lostintranslation is bigger than quirky chappie despite beating the same horse over that horse's fav track, and more convincing too
Quiet important race tomorrow in terms of the Gold Cup. To be honest I am not expecting too much difference in prices after the race. Kemboy should have improved for his run fto,and DW should have improved for experience,probable improvement from PP as well. Hard race to call tomorrow, and we also have Chris's Dream and Bellshill who both could upset the more fancied runners in the betting.Its possible some could be more forward than others, and possible some have this race as their big one as opposed to Cheltenham. Whatever happens none of them will have proved without doubt they could suit a Gold Cup with the extra distance and the uphill finish. I think one will have to win very well for a price to differ that much for March, probably Kemboy the only chance of that happening imo. Personally I hope to see DW run a nice race for my pocket,and I wish him well!!
Quiet important race tomorrow in terms of the Gold Cup.To be honest I am not expecting too much difference in prices after the race.Kemboy should have improved for his run fto,and DW should have improved for experience,probable improvement from PP as
ABP is the big threat. Native River will ensure a proper race. The way DW and Kemboy finished today suggests DW is the stronger stayer out of those two.
ABP is the big threat. Native River will ensure a proper race.The way DW and Kemboy finished today suggests DW is the stronger stayer out of those two.
Yeh but different distances and a different year. ABP is proven at the GC distance, Kemboy aint. DW looks to me a horse that's improved a fair bit,i am not so sure Santini has as much. But one thing for sure,the RSA is proving THE race.
Yeh but different distances and a different year.ABP is proven at the GC distance, Kemboy aint.DW looks to me a horse that's improved a fair bit,i am not so sure Santini has as much.But one thing for sure,the RSA is proving THE race.
I'm slightly disappointed Kemboy could not beat Delta Work; he was a bit sticky at a few of his fences. Delta Work deserved to win, but I've not lost hope on Kemboy (yet) as it could be the sticky ground which was not to his liking. Maybe he'd make the running on good ground in the Gold Cup. But, Presenting Percy had every chance, but was not good enough.
Let's hope Lostintranslation brings his A-game next month, and gives us a thriller!
I'm slightly disappointed Kemboy could not beat Delta Work; he was a bit sticky at a few of his fences. Delta Work deserved to win, but I've not lost hope on Kemboy (yet) as it could be the sticky ground which was not to his liking. Maybe he'd make t
So excuses for Kemboy and none for PP. my dad used to say if you haven’t got anything kind to say don’t say anything at all so I won’t but try and read my mind
So excuses for Kemboy and none for PP. my dad used to say if you haven’t got anything kind to say don’t say anything at all so I won’t but try and read my mind
Your dad was sensible and diplomatic, but diplomacy does not always apply to horse racing where differing opinions are aplenty, and just as valid given the right provisos; the sticky ground could be the decider with Kemboy today, I believe, as he seemed not able to jump fluently like he did at Aintree and Punchestown.
I've not given up on him, if anything, will wait a few days before backing him at 10.5 here. If Cheltenham Gold Cup is on good going he's the one for me; distance is less relevant as I believe he did not lose further ground to Delta Work today despite the ground.
Your dad was sensible and diplomatic, but diplomacy does not always apply to horse racing where differing opinions are aplenty, and just as valid given the right provisos; the sticky ground could be the decider with Kemboy today, I believe, as he see
DW finished the race stronger than Kemboy,and did extend the lead last 100 yards or so. It points to one staying the extra distance better than the other. I think it best to know when to cease a belief you had.
DW finished the race stronger than Kemboy,and did extend the lead last 100 yards or so.It points to one staying the extra distance better than the other.I think it best to know when to cease a belief you had.
People have questioned the prices of a number of the GC runners. Duffy i am not picking on you but remember your comment as it made me chuckle I think you described santini price as filth. Perhaps somebody/ some people take a stab at a book and maybe I can get a bet on as vast majority of the bookmakers won’t let me
People have questioned the prices of a number of the GC runners. Duffy i am not picking on you but remember your comment as it made me chuckle I think you described santini price as filth. Perhaps somebody/ some people take a stab at a book and maybe
Maybe, but I'm not totally convinced that was the case today; Kemboy found jumping out of today's ground taxing, I believe. Maybe the watering (why?) did him a dis-service today, and helped Delta Work who'd prefer soft underfoot.
Santini beating BDM in that manner eg had to be rousted-up to be with the pace, BDM more effective at Haydock, and is now priced 5/1 I'd describe the price extremely skinny despite holding a 12/1 antepost ticket for him with 'sly'; only consolation is his juvenile form last season was slightly more superior than that of Delta Work.
Lostintranslation (if soft) and Kemboy (if good) are the ones for me along with Santini; ABP only in small trebles; no bet on Delta Work.
Maybe, but I'm not totally convinced that was the case today; Kemboy found jumping out of today's ground taxing, I believe. Maybe the watering (why?) did him a dis-service today, and helped Delta Work who'd prefer soft underfoot.Santini beating BDM i
the way Kemboy won his races last year and the way he finished today,I believe he will get the Gold Cup trip.Who's to say Delta Work will get it,until they run no one knows.
the way Kemboy won his races last year and theway he finished today,I believe he will getthe Gold Cup trip.Who's to say Delta Work willget it,until they run no one knows.
he was beat today by a better horse on the day. I believe if they both stand up in the GC,Kemboy will finish in front of Delta Work.Last years winner the only horse I'm worried about.
he was beat today by a better horse on the day.I believe if they both stand up in the GC,Kemboywill finish in front of Delta Work.Last years winnerthe only horse I'm worried about.
Kemboy ran and won going away over 3m 1f on good to soft (not sticky) which gave me more than hope he'd stay the Gold Cup trip. He was entered in a 3m 5f race which he fell at the 1st fence. Personally, the main concern is the ground. I think he found jumping out of the sticky ground tough.
On an easy sticky surface I'll have Lostintanslation and Santini over Delta Work; good, only Kemboy; Native River has had his Gold Cup.
Kemboy ran and won going away over 3m 1f on good to soft (not sticky) which gave me more than hope he'd stay the Gold Cup trip. He was entered in a 3m 5f race which he fell at the 1st fence. Personally, the main concern is the ground. I think he foun
Ok,you don't have a direct answer to the question.
You think Kemboy will finish in front of DW at Chelt…..may I ask why,cos I may have missed something.
Ok,you don't have a direct answer to the question.You think Kemboy will finish in front of DW at Chelt…..may I ask why,cos I may have missed something.
At the time I was confident that was not DW true running,and subsequent runs have confirmed that for me. No I do not think CDO will appreciate the Gold Cup trip more than DW,hes tried and failed in the race. I don't think DW will fail to appreciate the Gold Cup trip from what I have seen last two runs. I also think Kemboy ran his race today,and was primed for it.
There yer go a proper answer.
At the time I was confident that was not DW true running,and subsequent runs have confirmed that for me.No I do not think CDO will appreciate the Gold Cup trip more than DW,hes tried and failed in the race.I don't think DW will fail to appreciate the
Its an interesting and fascinating race Foyles,opinions are fine of course,but its good to have a discussion with reasoned thoughts on why those opinions exist. None of us know whats going to win races at the festival,but its good if people share their thoughts in our quest to beat the bookie,can only help imo.
Its an interesting and fascinating race Foyles,opinions are fine of course,but its good to have a discussion with reasoned thoughts on why those opinions exist.None of us know whats going to win races at the festival,but its good if people share thei
What price you think Santini should be then? filth might have been pushing it a bit but he's a couple points too short as he has a big enough question to answer, nice to hear I made you "chuckle", I'm just returning the compliment
Milton,What price you think Santini should be then? filth might have been pushing it a bit but he's a couple points too short as he has a big enough question to answer, nice to hear I made you "chuckle", I'm just returning the compliment
Native River will run his usual big race, but he's definitely not as good as he was when winning this in 2018. Also, there's that small predicament about the 5 "pretenders" eg ABP, Santini, Lostintranslation, Delta Work and Kemboy. I think a place at best for native River.
Native River will run his usual big race, but he's definitely not as good as he was when winning this in 2018. Also, there's that small predicament about the 5 "pretenders" eg ABP, Santini, Lostintranslation, Delta Work and Kemboy. I think a place at
Well he is priced to place at best, but if conditions on the day are suited to the horse,and maybe not so much for others,then the form he seems to be in would give him a chance of another Gold Cup. He will certainly make it an honest race.
Well he is priced to place at best, but if conditions on the day are suited to the horse,and maybe not so much for others,then the form he seems to be in would give him a chance of another Gold Cup.He will certainly make it an honest race.
Hibore 19 Feb 20 13:21 Joined: 23 Jun 07 | Topic/replies: 1,920 | Blogger: Hibore's blog Real shame...but B365 money back to put on Santini Cool
LOL Hibore. That's the spirit.
I did my prawns on NR to win the National. Thought it was a terrific bet. I just hope the horse is OK.
Hibore19 Feb 20 13:21Joined: 23 Jun 07| Topic/replies: 1,920 | Blogger: Hibore's blogReal shame...but B365 money back to put on Santini CoolLOL Hibore. That's the spirit.I did my prawns on NR to win the National. Thought it was a terrific bet. I j
Can anyone seriously believe CDO will stay the trip? I fully understand he won the King George (KG) doing handstand (against two non-stayers), and his price seems generous. But, he did not last year after a similar KG performance.
Silviniaco Conti won the KG 2x, and 2x did not stay the trip here; Presenting Percy is exposed, and as ran to merit in the Irish Gold Cup; BDM will again finish behind Santini or Lostintraslation (all things being equal).
The Irish are enigmas as no form to link them with English horses.
Can anyone seriously believe CDO will stay the trip? I fully understand he won the King George (KG) doing handstand (against two non-stayers), and his price seems generous. But, he did not last year after a similar KG performance.Silviniaco Conti won
Trainer said Politologue would stay the King George trip. Similarly, Silviniaco Conti (Gold Cup). This year there is more depth too with a few unexposed runners eg Santini, Delta Work and Lostintranslation.
If CDO had not run last year he'd be no more than 3/1 as there would be little stamina doubt; 8/1 presently says a lot.
Trainer said Politologue would stay the King George trip. Similarly, Silviniaco Conti (Gold Cup). This year there is more depth too with a few unexposed runners eg Santini, Delta Work and Lostintranslation. If CDO had not run last year he'd be no mor
Lostintranslation is friendless. And, according to connections he's had a wind-op and a low profile prep just like Samcro post his dismal King George run. This worked the oracle with Samcro thus I hope it works for Lostintranslation too.
Lostintranslation is friendless. And, according to connections he's had a wind-op and a low profile prep just like Samcro post his dismal King George run. This worked the oracle with Samcro thus I hope it works for Lostintranslation too.
If Santini or Lostintranslation had prevailed I'd have a small bundle going on Pinatubo to look forward to in May, assuming the event will take place. So close yet so far that's the name of the game; Messrs Mullins and Elliot.
If Santini or Lostintranslation had prevailed I'd have a small bundle going on Pinatubo to look forward to in May, assuming the event will take place. So close yet so far that's the name of the game; Messrs Mullins and Elliot.