Aye Right has a good chance

True, I am a big fan of Aye Right but it is hard to name many northern or Scottish runners never mind potential winners.

Fair comment.. I have to say sageform I didn’t like any of them apart from lostintranslation or the big breakaway...disappointing with Harry senior he looked a nice type to me but I suppose I evaluate chances of winning and the odds on those horses were wrong especially copperhead and fiddler on the day

I just think beating trainers with inferior stock is harsh personally, ok so punters see it a different way but use this thread and tell me before the race, which of all the trainers quoted for the week ahead, have chances of winning this week before they race

Cash is making statements, so tell me before the races which horses should be running well this week for the trainers being stated?

As I said I can’t remember Harry fry actually having many runners in recent seasons and has one this season, so tell me before they races, which horses should be performing well this week and then we can dissect the said trainers inadequacies as trainers, after the meeting?

For Harry's benefit this what I wrote on the "Record number of Irish trained winners at 2021 Festival?" thread.  Given that Harry also posted on that thread he shouldn't need reminding of my thinking on the subject of Irish dominance at Cheltenham:

Not a single British trained runner at last weekend's Dublin Racing Festival.  That may have something to do with Brexit related red tape but given how few British trained runners participated in the 2019 and 2020 equivalents I think it has more to do with the "set in their ways" mindsets of the majority of British NH trainers.

These trainers are only too happy to bleat about poor prize money in the UK but, with very few exceptions, are unwilling to seek out greater prize money beyond Britain's shores.

It's not hard to believe that at least 6 of the 8 Grade 1 winners (plus Saturday's bumper winner) we saw win with relative ease at Leopardstown will follow up at Cheltenham in a little more than 6 weeks' time. Add to that the graded Irish trained runners that didn't run at the weekend and one struggles to make a case for British trained horses winning any of the top races other than the World Hurdle and the Foxhunters.

As for the handicaps Irish trained runners have won 5 (of the 10) in each of the last two Festivals. The British handicapper seems to face an impossible task in awarding "fair" marks to the Irish horses given the disproprtionate number of wins they secure when compared with the much lower proportion of Irish trained runners.

The question that should be asked is why aren’t more British trainers looking at what Mullins in particular but also Henry DB and Elliott are doing and just copying as best they can. Plenty of expensive purchases being trained in Britain by the likes of Nicholls, Henderson, King, Pipe, Hobbs, Fry, Skelton, Williams et al but only Henderson heads to Cheltenham in March expecting a minimum of one Festival winner.

Too many “top” British trainers are set in their ways and unwilling or unable to adapt their acquisition strategies and training methods to keep pace with the leading Irish trainers.

I have no words!

The Irish and British handicappers have an impossible task. They can only rate what performances they see.

The barrage of criticism should be levelled at the Irish stewards. Far too many Irish horses race with the handbrake applied with a view to obtaining lenient marks.

That said, both sets of handicappers can be legitimately criticised for being too generous when it comes to assessing performances in graded races.

Please tell me where you could find a single piece of collateral form since March last year on which to rate the Irish against the British. It seems to be fitness, perhaps from running on testing ground as every Irish handicap winner has passed half a dozen horses from the last bend. Either the English jockeys are starting their runs too soon or the horses are not fit enough.

Totally humiliating.

It's a wonder that anyone would send a horse to a UK trainer bar Henderson - and even then only a megabucks one.

Sorry mate but I can't believe anybody in their right mind would send a horse to Hemderson now.  What he did with Altior this season was just nonsense.  11 years of age, future all behind him and he takes him OUT of a race because of so-called inferior going?!  There's not exactly a lot of time left for this horse to wait on the right going is there?  If he gets beat, he gets beat.  He;s a racehorse - Run him!  Then the inevitable happens - he HAS to be taken out of a big event for welfare reasons!  Henderson should hand things on to a well chosen successor in my view.

i have said on a few occasions santini should have been running at uttoxeter tomorrow.

could be wrong but Altior turned up for most
gigs before he lost the unbeaten record over fences.
As for the preps of Santini and Champ,less said the
better.
Hope you's had a good and enjoyable festival.
  GL ALL

Santini will likely be running at Chepstow in December.

british horses to turn it around at aintree? dunno how though

yeah  i see, terrible performance from the british horses this week

Yeah well they know it all dont they

Henderson regular visitor to cullentra
Still wants to learn
As for those above
Not for learning from the Irish

I do believe the whole handicapping system is wrong in Britain...

Small field handicaps and novices over rated is not helping, so even when there might be a nice horse, he is given to much weight...the weight scale with the Irish is way out of kilter imo but it isn’t helping the ratings horses are being given...just Over rated

If you notice every year, the Irish send a novice over for the Betfair hurdle, this is just to show where they stand and Chuck the British handicapper a bone to say he’s doing his job properly, which he isn’t

I worked out that some of the handicaps are up to 15-20lbs out of kilter with British runners...now you can say the British trainer can’t train but I think the uncompetitive nature of British racing is now suffering badly but also the handicapper hasn’t got a clue

If we used bravemansgame I didn’t give him anywhere near the rating he achieved at Newbury, yes he was impressive but his rating didn’t add up to me, with the Alan king horse who was overrated earlier in the season close up...
So his elevated mark pre race, says Paul nicholls didn’t get him ready, however in my opinion he ran to form on the day, disappointing to some but he ran his race

Also through the week British jockeys all week believed the ratings, so rode at pace the horse couldn’t handle, hence why some were tailed as those horses didn’t have the ability that people believed they did

I won’t dissect how I do things but buddelia a man I respect thought bravesmangame was a proper horse however I did not,the ratings are a mile out and the British program doesn’t help with no decent left handed races unless you want to run in the Betfair hurdle

My suggestion to the British handicapper and trainers is start sending your horses to Ireland and you will get a rating that is believable and the British handicapper will also have a clue how to rate horses, as the constant inflated marks are a mile out and that starts with novices up

This is what Brian Sheerin has posted on RP website:

Years of groundwork crucial to total Irish domination at Cheltenham Festival

Take an x-ray of the performance of the British at Cheltenham last week. Now, peg that into light. What do you see? A worrying situation.

There will be some serious questions asked this week. What is broken? What needs to be fixed? That may be the wrong way to approach things as there is no silver bullet here.

Instead, let’s concentrate on what the Irish have been doing exceptionally well and go from there.

Starting with the point-to-points. The culture surrounding this vital schooling ground for future stars is light years apart between Britain and Ireland.

Appreciate It, Shishkin, Honeysuckle, Bob Olinger, Sir Gerhard, Envoi Allen, Minella Indo, Monkfish, Chantry House, Telmesomethinggirl, Mount Ida, Vanillier and Colreevy share one thing in common – they all started their careers in Irish point-to-points.

Energumene and Blackbow are decent graduates from the British equivalent but, where did they end up? Ireland. Irish points have become commercial beasts whereas they are still very much viewed as an amateur pursuit in Britain.

What difference does this make, I hear you ask? And if you were about to point to Shishkin ending up in Britain, you would be right.

However, don’t tell me that being closer to the golden conveyor belt isn’t proving advantageous to the Irish.

The big owners want to be a part of Irish racing. Take Kenny Alexander and Cheveley Park Stud as examples. Their stars would shine in any stable, but they chose Ireland.

Even when it came to moving Envoi Allen, Sir Gerhard and Quilixios in the build-up to Cheltenham, Cheveley Park found homes in Ireland rather than Britain.

What makes Ireland so attractive for owners? In a nutshell, outstanding prize-money, competitive racing and gifted horse men and women, both in and out of the saddle.

Willie Mullins alluded to such on Sunday on Twitter in what was a classy appraisal of this year’s festival, in which Ireland’s champion trainer paid special thanks to Horse Racing Ireland’s Brian Kavanagh, who has always stressed the importance of quality in the programme book.

That quality shone through last week and it was by no means enjoyed in one small pocket. Far from it, in fact, with ten trainers getting on the scoreboard for an array of different owners.

There is a wide breadth of talent in Ireland, from the man identifying store horses to the woman riding six winners at Cheltenham, and last week was a major boon for everyone who played their part.

It was a job well done.

I think the irony of the whole situation is that Irish jumps racing is not in a good place.

The graded races are dominated by three trainers (Mullins, Elliott and De Bromhead) and three owners (McManus, Gigginstown and Ricci). It's good to see the likes of Robcour and the Morans join the party but Irish jumps racing is much less competitive than British jumps racing and were it not for the benevolence of McManus who spreads his horses far and wide, many more Irish jumps trainers would be struggling more than they already are.

even Fahey joined in on the act!!! no excuses imo stop with the sour grapes nonsense