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the fellow in the gold cup was very heavily backed and joe mac in the bumper was also a pretty big gamble
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6/4 joe Mac in the bumper 2 nd to alexandre banquet probably the worst festival bumper run
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Tiananmen square went of short for a bumper.
I can remember one going off odds on for the Cathcart getting turned over. Ronnie. |
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Rouse de farge Ronnie one of pipes ?
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cant remember who trained joe mac but it was a jp horse and i think the winner might have been ruby's first cheltenham winner,i recall a article in the newspaper with a bookmaker the day after going through how he did and he said,''i'm not a religious man but i was certainly praying during that race''.it was a pipe horse that got beat in cathcart,not sure if rouse de farge is correct name but it went off odds on,it was the day desert orchid won the gold cup
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Christie Roche was the trainer, absolutely spot on about rouse de farge been the same day as Dessie ,the ruby bit I am going to try and find out about,it shouldn’t be difficult.
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Correct it was the first winner he rode at the festival by some way he surprisingly had to wait another 4 years till blowing wind won the mildmay of fleet,his next two winners was the great azertyuiop.
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I do not have a clue what some of you guys are on about. Some of you must have been juveniles to remember them, even under-aged to be punting.
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They were pre exchange days when it was punter v odds compiler a fair contest.
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Cue Card was widely expected in the Supreme. If they had gone for the 2.5 miler he would probably have won.
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Rock on ruby didn’t manage to win that seasons 2.5 miler.
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Granville Again was thought a certainty for the Supreme in the early 90’s. Was beaten there and fell in the following years Champion.
Won the following year with a great ride from Peter Scu. |
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I think the winner of the supreme novice hurdle that year was also considered a certainty by connections.
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The result of the opener in 91 made the illiad in the champion hurdle a ridiculous price generally 33/1 in the build up to Cheltenham was on offer around 5/1 before the off due to liabilities.
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I do remember that fox. Granville was badly bumped a few times in a rough Supreme if I remember and would have gone close with a clearer run. He was also cruising when falling behind Royal Gait in the Champion. He deserved a big one the following year as he was high class at his best.
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He didn’t run again till punchestown in November 18 months later where he won a listed hurdle,he then ran at leopardstown over Christmas 13 months later where he was 4 th behind fortune and fame,royal derby 3 rd,then 5 th in the Irish champion hurdle again behind fortune and fame ,Granville again 4 th,then 11 th in alderbrooks champion hurdle,his final run was down the field in the 96 Irish champion hurdle won by Collier bay.
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Collier Bay was not a banker but he was unlucky when getting a minor problem the day before the Triumph which was won by Mysilv. Subsequent events suggest he would have won it in a canter. His non run cost me a lot but we got it back 2 years later.
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Won it in a canter not sure about that sageform mysilv was no mug .
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He beat Mysilv about 15 lengths in the CH. It might have been closer at 4yo I suppose but CB was a decent class flat horse. Jim made one of his rare bad calls by going for the Coral Cup with Collier Bay as a 5yo. He was not beaten over 2 miles until the 1997 CH when he was pulled up on fast ground which he hated.
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12 1/2 lengths but don’t forget mysilv was having a practice for the stayers hurdle 2 days later.
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mysilv beat pridwell over 10 lengths at Newbury giving pridwell 8 lb pridwell beat istabraq at levels I should think that form line isn’t to bad.
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Collier bay 9 from 26 national hunt
Mysilv. 11 from 20 national hunt |
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Mysilv was a great horse foxy, did the horse not contest a race in france one year ?
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Yes irishone ran twice at auteuil 2nd both times the last been 29th June 96 the day before Germany beat Czech Republic on the golden goal rule in the final of Euro 96 ,the horse never ran again.
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If it was a practice they didn't tell Jamie Osborne. He had ridden Collier Bay to win the Irish CH and still chose Mysilv in the CH itself. I had horses with Jim Old through that period and he was very confident of winning that Triumph despite learning pessimism from Capt. Forster.
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Did mole board spend any time with Jim old sageform?
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Yes a couple of years after Wally Sturt bought him from Owen O'Neill's stable. He had fallen at the last in the Supreme when having every chance. He was actually favourite to beat Collier Bay giving him a lot of weight in the Bonusprint Handicap at Sandown with Oh So Risky and Absaloms Lady in the field. That was Collier Bay's first run as a 6yo. He won easily at 25/1 and then won the Irish and Cheltenham Champion hurdles. CB needed soft ground and was never as good again. He was tried over fences but was much too free and I well remember him running away with Graham Bradley on the downhill stretch at Towcester.
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Owen O’Neil peaced up a nice double late 80s I think it was New Year’s Day ,one of the horses involved was mole board winnng at Cheltenham can’t remember the other one,mole board himself was a well backed favourite in the sun alliance hurdle he ran well to finish around 4 th at many festivals including in champion hurdles he was always thereabouts at the last.
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Yes, could have been the Sun Alliance. He was an unlucky horse really, as you say often close up in big races. We finally had a big pay day when at the end of his career, he ran at Sandown in a conditions race and was allowed to start at a huge price (33 or 50) He set off in front and nothing got near him. I remember that Sun Alliance now, I backed Mole Board who was fourth and a horse trained by David Elsworth that was coming with a wet sail but fell at the last. The best horses I had shares in with Jim were Meister who won 6 races in the 1980's including the Bristol Novice Hurdle at the Cheltenham December meeting and Jefferies in the late 1990s who won 5 including all of his 4 runs at Taunton.
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The Bristol novice hurdle has some roll of honour sageform I should think away from the festival the overall best novice hurdle run in the uk
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The Sandown race you refer to he had ruling and the great Morley street behind,
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By the way after Sandown he still managed to finish fourth at the age of 12 in flakey doves champion hurdle.
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He even won aged 14 at ascot what a horse .
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He beat Gala's Image who went on to win the Arkle and Seagram who of course won the National. It was only 2.5 miles in those days. Meister had won his maiden easily at Exeter and we decided to take a chance and he won it well. He was also second in the Philip Cornes Saddle of Gold at Newbury which had qualification races rather like the Pertemps final. We did run in the Sun Alliance but finished in midfield behind some flying machine trained by Paul Kellaway that won as it liked with Ten Plus (who won it the following year) also in the first 5 I think. Sorry to be a bit vague but I don't have the form books for back then. Meister's first run over fences was the same day that Collier Bay ran off with Bradley in a novice chase and dumped him at the fourth fence. Brad came back white as a sheet and rode Meister in the second division to get round after we had backed him. It took him 4 runs to get the hang of fences but then he won four of his next 5, once ridden by Peter Scudamore and 3 times by Simon Sherwood.
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Sorry my last post referred to Meister, not Mole Board. Jim also had a near miss in the CH when Cima was narrowly beaten by Dawn Run in the first year that mares got the 7lb allowance. We got our fingers burned that day.
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84 champion hurdle I was surprised there was no stewards the mare carried cima across the track nowhere near as bad as crimson embers but worthy of another look.
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The kellaway horse must be asir
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I remember the Philip cornes I wonder what happened to it.
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Correct with both of those. I don't know how Asir managed to win like it did but it never ran again as far as I know.
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Came to an end like most sponsored races. The Trophy really was a saddle of gold and we were beaten a length by Lonach trained by Toby Balding in desperate ground at Newbury.
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