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01 Dec 18 10:23
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2 time champ
Deserves his own thread.

Back on the track today, be very interesting to see how he shapes up on his quest to join the great triple winners.
The 2 novice hurdle winners from March take him on,so very intriguing.
Not seen Summerville Boy yet, so we don't know how fit he is,but he looked a good winner of the supreme, and is pretty tough judging on his novice season.
We have seen Samcro, and he has to improve a fair bit on that run to win this I think.
But coming out of novice season, hes entitled too.
Trainer form and first time out to me makes BD a tad vulnerable today,but if he runs a big race its ominous for the rest imo
Certainly hope he does.
Watch and no bet for me today. Cant see any value anywhere.
Hope to see
A race to watch and no bet for me.
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Report duffy January 14, 2019 5:44 PM GMT
You can criticize Laurina's price but a number of factors have contributed to it, the fact that the division is weak for one, we can also assume that she must be out performing the likes of Melon and Sharjah on the gallops and considering how close Melon got last year allied with the progression that Sharjah in particular is showing I find that quite notable that they're at least double her price.

I'm not saying she's another AP (before anyone jumps on that) but AP never ran against a single horse of CH calibre, not one, not even remotely close to one  before hosing up in it, she doesn't have to prove she's worthy of her place before the race, she'll just have to do it on the day.
Report buddeliea January 14, 2019 6:05 PM GMT
Annie Power had a lot more experience behind her when connections finally decided to run her in the race,would have won more than one imo given the chance.
Laurina could literally be anything,none of us have any idea how good she is or can be.
You may have a point re whats going on at home,certainly that makes sense in regards to Ruby wanting to ride her(I believe that is right?)and the bookies prices.
Melon got close last year imo because the ground blunted the speed of BD and the staying power of BD won him that race.
I would not expect Melon to get close to BD on normal Tuesday festival ground.
Report impossible123 January 14, 2019 6:08 PM GMT
Laurina needs to be better than AP to beat Buveur D'Air (BD); AP and BD both beat My Tent Or Yours by the same margin at the Festival.

Personally, Vroum Vroum Mag and Limini all over again - both these horses were reckoned to be serious Champion Hurdle contenders.
Report firstimevisor January 14, 2019 9:29 PM GMT
I believe Gigginstown will run Apples Jade if Samcro doesn't line up and she would be their best chance of winning.

Its just nonsense saying she's not a 2 miler (she won a Grade 1 at Aintree by 41 lengths for god's sake and followed up at Punchestown). She's a super mare at any distance, end of.

She is a 7 y o rated 62, which is  exactly the same rating as that other "stayer" Annie Power had when she ran in it as an 8 y o.The tactics would be just the same - make the running and make it a brutal stamina test. And there won't be many still involved from 2 hurdles out.
Report duffy January 15, 2019 3:11 AM GMT
That jumping out to the right I wouldn't fancy much in a CH.
Report buddeliea January 15, 2019 8:02 AM GMT
Well looking back at her race record, AJ had good juvenile form,losing to IG at Cheltenham,and then thrashing the same horse at Aintree(why the big difference? the Aintree after Cheltenham factor perhaps??)
She then lost 2 races at 2m against the older horses, and was then stepped up to 2 and a halfm,presumably with mares races in mind, in particular Cheltenham. She has been very good in those races aside from two beatings by BDD.She has also had two races at 3m and won them both well.
All this tells me that connections see her as either a mares horse or a stayers horse in March.

Yes its possible connections could drop back to 2m,as AP did with success. AP was a super sub and hindsight tells us it was the right thing to do,and also hindsight tells me that they should have run her in the race before then instead of the Mares races and the stayers race she ran in!!! maybe that will happen with AJ as well.

I can only go on what the formbook tells me though,and that tells me shes been campaigned since her juvenile days with no thoughts of a Champion Hurdle. More thought about the Stayers seems to me.

If she does turn up in the Champion Hurdle that would be great,giving us extra intrigue and excitement.
She may well surprise me,fair enough if she did.
My feeling is BD would have too much speed for her, but no way of knowing for sure until it happened.
Report Autocue February 2, 2019 11:40 AM GMT
Apparently Nicky Henderson is fuming that other trainers have entered horses against Buveur D'Air in the Contenders Hurdle today. "As the reigning dual champion hurdler, the horse deserves a nice exercise canter with no rags to distract him. I'm trying to complete his preparations for the treble with the weather and everything else against me and it's a disgrace the BHA has allowed other trainers to use the Sandown course. My horses deserve the best and this is yet another example of the ****-eyed thinking we're getting from the BHA these days."
Report Autocue February 2, 2019 11:41 AM GMT
****-eyed = abbreviation for cockerel-eyed Happy
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 1:46 PM GMT
Well i have to say AJ has got me right confused......or maybe her connections have!!!
All this campaigning in Mares races and more recently 3m races,she now goes and does that over 2m.
She has to be a major player in the Churdle for sure......if they run her in the race!!
I hope they do,she would add some much to the build up as well as the actual race.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 1:51 PM GMT
Eddie o'leary after todays race says she runs in Mares.
I have a feeling their will be discussions between owners and trainer in the coming weeks!!
Report Autocue February 2, 2019 1:57 PM GMT
I'll be really disappointed if they don't run her. It would be another example of dilution spoiling Cheltenham. She jumps a hurdle as quickly as BD.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 2:00 PM GMT
Nice comfortable victory there as you would expect from the current champ.
Should be spot on now for March.
Report impossible123 February 2, 2019 2:01 PM GMT
I hope AJ runs against him at least then a good pace is assured; a messy race is the only issue for him, I believe, all things being equal.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 2:05 PM GMT
All true racing fans should want her in the Champion Hurdle.
Simple as that.
Report GAZO February 2, 2019 2:41 PM GMT
they kept samcro over hurdles to win a champion hurdle(unless his jumping was dire) so why wont they go champions hurdle with apples jade after that?
Report buddeliea February 2, 2019 2:47 PM GMT
Because we often see these very good mares running in the mares race.
Report Autocue February 3, 2019 11:43 AM GMT
"Nothing is concrete but I'd say it's likely (to be the Champion Hurdle)."

Music to my ears from Gordon. CH is a race to look forward to. Hope both horses get there fit and well and AJ is not in season! Goodness knows what they're doing to prevent this - playing Brexit debates to her?
I couldn't make my mind up at this stage and will wait until the day.
Report FOYLESWAR February 3, 2019 12:25 PM GMT
jp and hendo will surely run a spoiler in this to give apples jade some company up front !
Report FOYLESWAR February 3, 2019 12:31 PM GMT
anyway it looks as tho apples an dairs in the champion
Report wondersobright February 3, 2019 12:34 PM GMT
if its good side of good to soft (likely imo) then everything I've seen of buveur tells me he's v beatable
Report penzance February 3, 2019 1:18 PM GMT
say 2 weeks ago what price was BD for the race,
1/2 or 2/5?
Report duffy February 3, 2019 1:48 PM GMT
Autocue 03 Feb 19 11:43 
"Nothing is concrete but I'd say it's likely (to be the Champion Hurdle)."

Music to my ears from Gordon. CH is a race to look forward to. Hope both horses get there fit and well and AJ is not in season! Goodness knows what they're doing to prevent this - playing Brexit debates to her?
I couldn't make my mind up at this stage and will wait until the day.

They insert a marble into the horse's uterus to prevent the horse from coming into season.
Report wondersobright February 3, 2019 1:52 PM GMT

Feb 3, 2019 -- 7:18AM, penzance wrote:

say 2 weeks ago what price was BD for the race,1/2 or 2/5?cheers.

went odds on after the fighting fifth & then drifted after the xmas hurdle defeat

Report impossible123 February 3, 2019 5:05 PM GMT
I'm glad Elliot indicated the Champion Hurdle more likely for AJ, and no doubt connections of BD - he'll get a tow for much further. But what about those of Laurina? She'd have two horses to beat now, and The Mares is for the taking. Would her connections be tempted?
Report duffy February 3, 2019 5:39 PM GMT
If Laurina is the Mare they hope she is then BD + AJ won't make any difference to whether she runs or not IMO.
Report duffy February 3, 2019 5:43 PM GMT
Another thing to consider is Ricci will want a winner and BDD gives him his probablt best chance with AJ and Laurina out of the way.
Report asparagus February 3, 2019 5:50 PM GMT
Charlie Parcs will presumably take on pacemaker/spoiler duties again for JP.
Report johnslad February 5, 2019 12:50 PM GMT
03 Feb 19 17:39
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If Laurina is the Mare they hope she is then BD + AJ won't make any difference to whether she runs or not IMO.
personally thought she would have done an annie and led all the way but now the monster will have a tow from apples jade.
Don't say ye weren't told.
Report duffy February 5, 2019 3:14 PM GMT
I hope you are right.
Report buddeliea February 5, 2019 5:23 PM GMT
I dont!!
Report johnslad February 5, 2019 5:29 PM GMT
Report buddeliea February 19, 2019 8:00 AM GMT
Interesting stuff from Mr Henderson......

We managed to beat him at Kempton with a mare of our own in VERDANA BLUE who is very smart on good ground. She’ll struggle to beat him at Cheltenham though when it will be at least good to soft – it won’t be allowed to get any quicker than that. Any softer than that and she won’t run.

There are two factors going into this race. I don’t think he was at his best last year but we know why. He was in a box next to We Have A Dream who on the Monday morning of Cheltenam week had a screaming temperature. They lived absolutely nose-to-nose.

At 6am we got We Have A Dream out of the barn, he hadn’t touched a scrap of his food. Buveur D’Air is as tough as teak and didn’t get over Cheltenham at all last year. We were going back to Aintree, which should have been a piece of cake, but he couldn’t do it.

He wasn’t impressive in the Champion, it took him apart, races don’t affect him at all normally.

He got away with it but it was a bit scrappy. He’s going to have to be better this year because the opposition is better with the obvious threats being Apple’s Jade and Laurina.

Here's hoping he is better!!!
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2019 8:23 AM GMT
well done for posting that budd ,very usefull ,good  info that most would have been unaware of   and hopefully more stables  forthcoming with news .
Report buddeliea February 19, 2019 8:35 AM GMT
Yes mate, anything useful always welcome.
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2019 8:41 AM GMT
he is starting to look a fair price at around 2/1 on here
Report buddeliea February 19, 2019 9:54 AM GMT
Ground may be a slight concern Foyles,will need at least good/soft I think to beat the 2 mares,AJ in particular I feel.
They will try and make it that going, as they normally do.
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2019 11:36 AM GMT
yes budd been thinking about him and the mares,  the bit hendo said below is swaying me to beuvair . he has been there in champion hurdles  and done it and has less questions to answer and a backable price that could drift a little bit what with likley strong irish support for the mares on the day .think i will start backing him at sp rather than nrnb  every week for from now
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2019 11:38 AM GMT
it will be at least good to soft at least ,the taps will be turned on if needed .
Report impossible123 February 19, 2019 2:57 PM GMT
BD was not ridden to win the Supreme. He gave a start to the exceptional Altior and highly regarded Min; either would be a serious contender for this last year, and possibly this too. My only and main concern is Geraghty not taking it up until just before or after the last hurdle; the two mares do not worry mean as much as how he's ridden.
Report irishone February 20, 2019 8:17 AM GMT
"BD was not ridden to win the supreme"

What an absolute ejit you are.
Given up with advising HDB that monalee is a non stayer ?
Now concentrating on advising geraghty how to ride
What next ?
Vetenary advice on horse injuries?
Report impossible123 February 20, 2019 4:16 PM GMT
May I suggest you watch that race again?; pay particular attention to when BD was compared to Min and Altior. Then asks why Altior did not allow Min 1st run at the 2nd or last hurdle.
Report buddeliea March 7, 2019 8:20 AM GMT
Well looks like no excuses for the Champ as far as ground is concerned.
Could well be ideal for him, just some Mares to take care of!!
That wont be easy.

God job they are running though, would not be much of a race to look forward to otherwise.
Report FOYLESWAR March 7, 2019 8:50 AM GMT
apples jade will not be getting an easy time of it up front , mullins with  sharjah and hendo will also run a spoiler charli parkes type .she or laurina may still be good enough but the reigning champ is a tasty price now and not even fav on here ,he has less questions to answer  having been there and done it .
Report buddeliea March 7, 2019 8:56 AM GMT
Not sure about that Foyles
Hendo has 2 others in the race and I don't see either of those front running for BD.
And I don't see Sharjah anywhere near the front.
Agree re his price though.
Report FOYLESWAR March 7, 2019 9:03 AM GMT
you are right budd no charli .  could be 3/1 between now and race day buavair
Report buddeliea March 7, 2019 9:05 AM GMT
Keep a close eye on things mate......could be handy having 2 Irish fancied ones!!
Report geoff m March 7, 2019 9:24 AM GMT
Interesting Gigginstown left 2 others in petit Mouchoir and Farclas, wonder if they are considering using 1 of them as a pacemaker for Apples?
Report impossible123 March 7, 2019 2:42 PM GMT
I do not think AJ could be gifted an easy lead or lead with Global Citizen in the race. Otherwise, Petit Mouchoir or Farclas could step up to assume the role of a pacesetter. If all else fails Espoir D'Allen could step up for the role too; a decent pace assured, I think, and the anticipated good to soft/soft ground will suit too.

The market resembles that of the fighting 5th when Samcro was absurdly made the fav; history repeats itself, I hope.
Report wondersobright March 7, 2019 2:44 PM GMT
apples jade being fav is completely logical imo
Report buddeliea March 7, 2019 5:16 PM GMT
Yeh its close now and i expect it will be close on the day.
Report saxon farm March 9, 2019 6:32 PM GMT
5/2 on here now Buveur
Any thoughts?
Report impossible123 March 9, 2019 7:12 PM GMT
The affection for the mares presently; one won 1 out of 3 at Cheltenham, and no proven 2-miler; the other unproven at all.

What price would BD be if he'd not run at Kemtopn?
Report saxon farm March 9, 2019 7:28 PM GMT
Report lewisham ranger March 9, 2019 8:59 PM GMT
I'm not the biggest fan of this horse but now thinking I might back him. mares both have question marks, particularly apple's jade in respect to the course, and the rest are rubbish.
Report lewisham ranger March 9, 2019 9:03 PM GMT
thing about apples jade is her last run, she set off at a lung-bursting pace and basically just burnt them off

hard to do that at Cheltenham, they'll all be bunching up around the home turn
Report geoff m March 9, 2019 9:04 PM GMT
He would be evens.
Race certainly set up to suit him with expected fast pace.
Will sit in 3rd or 4 th and come cruising to the 2nd last .
Whether hes got enough in the locker to go past Apples on the run in im not so sure.
Fascinating contest reminiscent of historic battles:
Hardy Eustace V Rooster
Hardy Eustace v Harchibald
Monksfield v Sea Pigeon
Brave Inca V Macs Joy

where the dour staying galloper outstayed the turn of foot merchants
Report impossible123 March 9, 2019 9:18 PM GMT
I'm not overly perturbed about AJ as she's sufficient form at Cheltenham, and over 2m; Laurina is the unproven one despite needing to improve significantly to beat beat either BD or AJ. However, I hope with AJ in the line-up BD will have a greater opportunity to be held up till just before or after the last to mount his challenge to whoever is infront then.
Report irishone March 9, 2019 11:48 PM GMT
How can this horse be 9/4 ?
Hes beat the best gordon and willie could throw at him and neat them fair and square ?
I'll be respecting sharjahs galway hurdle win with a place only bet as well
...but seriously 9/4 buveir daire, at this stage  is good value in my book .
Report lewisham ranger March 10, 2019 10:46 AM GMT
is supasundae running in this and if so can he cause an upset? Confused

don't really rate the mares and want an alternative to the hendo horse.
Report geoff m March 10, 2019 10:47 AM GMT
No Supasundae /Vision Des Flos/Farclas/Petit Mouchoir

10 runners
Report lockup March 10, 2019 3:18 PM GMT
agree with Irish he was never ridden to win the supreme but flew up the hill for 3rd going will suit, pace will suit and has the best turn of foot the two mares are quality but can Apples quicken thought they might go up in trip not back and cant have Laurina beating him, will shorten up i think.
Report geoff m March 11, 2019 2:18 PM GMT
Buveur Dair .Totally friendless in the market nearly touching 3s.
J.P waiting till theres a bob or two in the market before ploughing in.??
Report okthen March 11, 2019 2:26 PM GMT
Been thinking Apples all winter but now the time has come I got a strong hat trick feeling for the champ. Amazing value at the moment
Report geoff m March 11, 2019 2:49 PM GMT
Free money bet as yer can get out in running as he will be tanking coming to 2nd last .
Report impossible123 March 11, 2019 3:22 PM GMT
Yes, 3.9 for BD is an excellent staring point for in-running, and free money/bet almost assured, all things being equal; Laurina will probably trade bigger than the present 4.7 on offer, I believe.
Report firstimevisor March 11, 2019 9:24 PM GMT
Would not be confident at all of that free in-running bet on BD. Don't be surprised if its all  AJ bar a fall from 3 out. She won't be coming back to them
Report gpz6316 March 11, 2019 11:19 PM GMT
bvd wins this easy . to have the class to win it twice already and be a bull , his strength will power over the ground
Report irishone March 12, 2019 6:27 AM GMT
No it will be me
Report buddeliea March 12, 2019 6:16 PM GMT
Such a shame to see the champ fall,but looks like hes ok and fit for another day.
Aintree next i hope.
Report impossible123 March 12, 2019 7:10 PM GMT
I hope Punchestown (2m) next for a retriever mission as to fall 1st time in his career on the biggest race of the year deserves another chance to prove he's still the best. Let's hope AJ and Laurina and most of today's field turn up too.

A bad day all round: Lalor was pulled-up due to the ground; Kalashnikov brought down in the same race; Buveur D'Ar fell for the 1st time. Could it get any worse tomorrow with Champ/Battleoverdoyen and Delta Work/Santini?
Report geoff m March 12, 2019 7:25 PM GMT
geoff m 11 Mar 19 14:49 Joined: 23 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 13,519 | Blogger: geoff m's blog
Free money bet as yer can get out in running as he will be tanking coming to 2nd last .

forgot to add if he gets there!!!

Would have been interesting  if he had stood up and how Walsh would have dealt with taking a 3rd champion hurdle away from the dual champion.
Report impossible123 March 12, 2019 7:49 PM GMT
On reflection one could say it was coming given the disrespect he gave to one hurdle at Kempton. Let hope money back next time after demolishing several of my accas. If there was a consolation (don't mean to be disrespectful to supporters of Laurina) I think we knew she'd be confined to the Mares (again) post today.
Report Deplasterer March 12, 2019 8:48 PM GMT
Imp 123, got out of jail with Rachel, beware delta, elliot stable had a best placed 3rd 2day, I very rarely lay but have on him and the national winner.
Report impossible123 March 12, 2019 9:59 PM GMT
I understand Elliot's had an off-day. I'd Battleoverdoyen (20/1) and Santini (4/1) anteposts with the other two as savers (hopefully). And after today I hope it does not get any worse - here's hoping.
Report johnslad March 13, 2019 9:11 AM GMT
15:35    157036446395    2019-03-12
15:32    GB Chelt 12th Mar / 15:30 2m Grd1 Hrd / Laurina
Lay         1.50    200.00    Won         200.00    500.00
15:35    157036358136    2019-03-12
15:31    GB Chelt 12th Mar / 15:30 2m Grd1 Hrd / Laurina
Lay         2.00    100.00    Won         100.00    300.00 Had £50@20/1 Ante Post and layed in running how did your's fare out 123Cool
Report The Sawyer March 13, 2019 10:10 AM GMT
Short memories lads

Last year his best was a 3rd on the Tuesday

Wednesday he had 3 winners
Thursday he had 3 winners
But could only manage 2 on the Friday
Report impossible123 April 9, 2019 6:31 PM BST
He could be going for the Punchestown Champion Hurdle against Melon, Apples Jade and others perhaps. I think the Aintree Hurdle over 20f on soft ground was too stamina sapping. If so, could be value, and payback time perhaps.
Report irishone April 9, 2019 8:37 PM BST
Pmsl ExcitedLaughLaughLaughCrazy
Report irishone April 9, 2019 8:49 PM BST

In other words you havent got a clue !
Report impossible123 April 12, 2019 11:52 AM BST
A step closer for him to making his 1st appearance at the Punchestown Festival; he's been given an entry with the meeting in May instead of April (proximity to Aintree). If showing no ill-effect from Aintree in a fortnight's time, and weather is ok it could be game on against Faugheen, Melon, Supersundae, Samcro, Laurina etc - he needs to redeem his tarnished reputation; Kemboy could also cross sword with Al Boum Photo in the Punchestown Gold Cup.

Let's hope the above materialise, and I could make my 1st couple of bets at this meeting for a very long while.
Report johnslad April 12, 2019 4:59 PM BST
Nothing to do with Aintree think of what's on when eating your Easter eggs hth's
Report irishone April 12, 2019 8:05 PM BST
Report buddeliea April 13, 2019 6:07 AM BST
That was a pretty gruelling race at Aintree,and i would be quiet happy to see him finished now for the season.
Thought he ran a fair race to be honest in those conditions and no disgrace getting beat by Supasundae who is a very strong stayer at that distance.

Next season we will find out if his owner has a better one.......i suspect he has, and we may have already found out,but we cannot know what would have happened had BD not fallen, so i will wait till next season to find out for sure.
Report impossible123 April 16, 2019 6:54 PM BST
I believe his stamina was stretched to breaking point at Aintree, but I hope he goes to Punchestown to exert and confirm his superiority over 2m. He's had a torrid prep running in races he ought not to eg Kempton (ground too firm), and falling at Cheltenham; nothing to fear from Supersundae, Apples Jade, Melon, etc, at Punchestown, I believe.
Report impossible123 April 29, 2019 11:01 AM BST
A redemption on friday at Punchestown; 15/8 against Laurina and Company - no Apple's Jade, I believe. M Walsh could deputise again as Geraghty is still out with a broken leg. And, the ground is yielding.
Report irishone April 30, 2019 7:50 AM BST
Going to p down next few days
Report impossible123 April 30, 2019 11:12 PM BST
He's 13/8, but Laurina has chickened out to the Mares Champion, and possibly Apple's Jade (6/1) too. This race is Buveur D'Air's for the taking if Aintree has not taken its toll, I believe.
Report irishone May 1, 2019 8:14 AM BST
Cliff top just around the corner
Report impossible123 May 2, 2019 9:52 PM BST
Only a convincing win tomorrow will do otherwise, any lingering hope of regaining his crown next year will be pie in the sky. My main worry is his exertion at Aintree, but Hendo is pleased with him.
Report irishone May 3, 2019 5:44 PM BST
Hend o asked derek oconnor then realised davey was free,  jocked offin five s econds
Report buddeliea May 4, 2019 6:38 AM BST
Great to see him back winning again.
Ok,not great opposition in terms of Champion Hurdle,but still very pleasing.
Look forward now to see if he can regain his crown.
Report irishone May 4, 2019 8:11 PM BST
Davey not interested in jockeys championship over here anymore , too much like hard work at his age.
Report duffy May 6, 2019 5:05 PM BST
His jumping is a real issue now though, barely gets over them, you'd be watching from behind the sofa come next March.
Report impossible123 January 18, 2021 8:29 PM GMT
This beast is reappearing for the 1st time after that freak incident on the racecourse; 5/4 each with Song For Someone in the New One Hurdle sponsored by his trainer's media paymaster.
Report impossible123 March 8, 2021 8:57 PM GMT
After Hendo reminding everyone not to overlook Buveur D'Air in the Champion Hurdle the beast will wait for Aintree instead as a longer distance would suit him better. Another trainer's words not worth paying any attention to.
Report geoff m March 9, 2021 9:14 AM GMT
someone quite happy to lay it yesterday before it was officially announced.
Shock  horror has this ever happened beforeLaughLaughLaugh
Report impossible123 March 9, 2021 12:52 PM GMT
A strange decision bypassing the Champion Hurdle for the Aintree Hurdle. Now his stablemate Epatante has drifted out to 5.5 from about 5 just a couple of days ago. She was 6/4 prior to her x'mas eclipse. A no concerned drift?
Report jimnast March 9, 2021 1:35 PM GMT
has any trainer ever put people away like this fellow over the years ?
Report impossible123 March 9, 2021 1:51 PM GMT
Hendo's sponsored by a bookie, a not good one at such.
Report jimnast March 9, 2021 2:17 PM GMT
pretty sure binocular was before unibet
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