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Well that's got rid of my fears about him going to the festival.
Looked good strutting around in the paddock,and well pleased with that run.He did what he normally does and won by a similar margin as in most pf his races. Should be spot on come march. |
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Hindsight a great thing,but they will no doubt be wishing they had stuck to his normal campaign.
Think he would be still unbeaten. Still the best 2 miler around for me,i hope he proves me right!! |
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He was beaten by a very good horse on the day at Ascot. They were clearly thinking King George and even Gold Cup but once those were taken off the table, they were back to the CC. Shame really as we will never know how he would run in a top class 3 mile chase. I still think that Altior and Cyrname are head and shoulders above the other chasers over any distance but gave each other a very hard race at Ascot.
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Be interesting if Cyrname had a go in the CC, stiff 2m.....Rolling along in front. That flat spot might cost it more than Altior can make up on the hill.
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Hang on a minute so every 2 1/2 miler in the country should or has already had a go at 2 miles this year. If only they had invented 2 1/2 mile races, getting them all together might have been a treat.
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The Ascot race does look to have left a mark alright. Cyrname in the KG and Altior taking time to recover backs that up,and we wont know until March if Altior is the same horse. Yesterday I was encouraged by,but March will be tougher for sure. Be interesting to see how Cyrname gets on at Ascot next week. |
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Ok controversial comment time. For me both trainers should be ashamed of themselves. They let egos and emotion get in the way of what was right for the horse. To take each other on like that without a prep run in those conditions was irresponsible. Had the same two trainers not been trading blows in the trainers championship for years I don’t think this would have happened. It’s like who had the biggest d**k competition. The media, racing public (myself included) and racing professionals all got sucked in and everybody should now say a collective sorry to the two horses.
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Seriously miltons how much time have you spent in either trainers company. I dont think you know them at all. Seriously think they would compromise their horses welfare, their own egos being more important . Desperate attention seeking post, akin to a sun newspaper front page headline, biggest load of tosh ever put up on here.
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O k you got me ......
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Cyrname could be an Ascot specialist, and best going right handed; the King George looked 4f too far for him - he was going ok 2/3 fences out. As for Altior he was clearly unfit at Ascot, and post race (visual distress) clearly showed that; he also missed Aintree after Cheltenham thus indicated he'd require more resting time between races.
I liked Altior post yesterday. He's the one for me in The Champion Chase, and will be fav come the day given his following, all being well. |
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Irish... you surprise me ...I didn’t think you’d be the one to bite
So question for you irish now that I have your attention..... do you think GE and WPM would have done it? |
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It’s funny how bubbling just a tiny bit below the surface is the contempt racing professionals or those close to racing professionals on this forum have for us passionate hobbyists.
It seems at best you just tolerate us and if ever we say anything that dare question anything about the whiter than white approach all racing professionals demonstrate every second of every day we very quickly get put back in our place. |
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to be fair if altior was clearly unfit it kind of fits in to what you said
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From Hendos comments recently its clear to me he regrets running him at Ascot,and once entered he probably regrets not pulling him out on the day given the going.
Does seem he got himself in a very unfortunate situation with his horse and the racing press and public,and imo because of that ran the horse when he should not have. Its great he came back and won,but the jury is still out as to what the decision at Ascot has on his chances in the QM. |
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Yep and I bet you he has said sorry to the horse a thousand times.
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Last season Altior started off in the Tingle Creek on soft and beat Un De Sceaux.
This season, for the first time in his life, he comes up against a horse actually rated higher than him and is beaten fair and square but runs well. But now its different. It was shameful, egotistical, irresponsible!! You really couldn't make this sh1t up. As for Mullins and/or Elliott not doing something similar. Well winter CH fav Klassical Dream took on Sharjah and Saldier in a Grade 1 fto while winter GC fav Kemboy took on Delta Work, Monalee, Percy, Road To Respect etc also in a Grade 1 fto |
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it's what the public want,is'nt it,
the best horses taking eachother on? |
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Yes Penzance of course it is. You want the best horses taking each other on, not trying to clock up a sequence of soft touches.
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Personally I would rather see horses run in races that does not harm them going forward.
It's taken a long time for Altior to recover from that race,and his trainer clearly feels he made a wrong decision by his horse,by his comment. The public may well want these type of races,but it's a trainers job to put his horses best interests before the publics. Altior taking on UDS over 2 miles.a horse rated inferior to him,is a lot different to taking on a horse rated higher than him over a distance half a mile further than he has run before. I believe Hendo when he says he made a mistake. |
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So you think the two top trainers in the uk would put the public interest before the best interests of their horses. Is this endemic ? Fostered by a gutter press that holds far too much power over there.
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Stop the press - " Shocking revelation as trainer regrets running fancied horse who has been beaten".
Has it ever been any other way? You are worse for reading way too much into these trainer quotes. There were probably 50 runners yesterday alone who, if you talk to the trainers today, will regret running. Henderson and Nicholls were both bullish pre-race. Only one of them was ever going to be right. |
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That’s not what I think. I think the two trainers got carried away with who had the best horse and in many circumstances that is great for the sport but not fto in that ground particulalrly when one of the two horses was going into unknown territory trip wise. I think if the horse had truly come first they would have had the match when both horses were a little fitter.
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Oh so you are saying it’s institutionalised running horses and regretting it the next day I wouldn’t volunteer for a racing PR job
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So if you did a patent yesterday and they all lost, would you regret having done it now?
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No ......whats institutionalised is your need sophie to come on here and make stuff up, in order to create sensationalism when you dont know the full story.
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they were thinking of going King George
with Altior,2m 5f @ Ascot a good prep, stays the trip goes Kempton,don't,they can always drop back in trip.Cyrname goes well @ Ascot,gets the 2m 5f,why not run him? |
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That was no prep,that was taking on the top rated chaser at his distance on the course he achieved the highest rating,first time out.
They bowed to pressure from the racing press and the racing public. IMO they did not put the horse interests first,and I genuinely thiink Hendo has regrets over it and agrees. |
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Irish The only statistic that I care about when it comes to the festival is my P and L at the end. I have made a minimum of a four figure profit from 20 of the last 21 festivals with absolutely no inside knowledge. Question is that a statistic that merits any respect? Do you think that is easy to do? Because when all is said and done inside knowledge or not that’s what we are all trying to achieve right?
Yes this post is defensive and distastefully self congratulating but it was the most impactful way I could think of to answer you. It is also factual and your answer would be appreciated. |
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That's just more aftertiming nonsense.If you are going to use Hendo's quotes then he also stated that Altior stayed the trip perfectly well.
I don't recall anybody on here calling for either horse to pull out beforehand but as usual there are one or two who, now that the race has been run, know exactly what should have been done. |
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20 out of the last 21,totally believeable.
Like the 380 Mcfabulous. |
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My post was directed at buddilea but the first sentence can also be applied to Milton's post 16.06
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Let yourselves down badly there lads.
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Firstimevisor.... of course I don’t regret having a bet the day after I lose. My god I bet because I enjoy it and the possibility of winning. I don’t wallow in self pity if I lose just shrug my shoulders and move on to the next bet. And there is no impact to anybody or anything if I make a bad betting choice. The one thing I do try and do is learn from my many betting mistakes.
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Firstimevisor you are right I didn’t call for him to be pulled out which if you look at my original post I put including myself
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Sophie your figures are meaningless because its an anonymous forum and you can make them up. My point is that both you and Budd believe that the two best trainers in the UK put the interests of the public fueled by the press before the interests of the horses.....why would they do that when that is definitely not how they became the two best trainers in the u k ?
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Well similarly, Hendo ran Altior due to the strong possibility of winning. He didn't win and perhaps Mr. Henderson should just shrug his shoulders and move on to the next race. Nobody died and nobody gives a monkeys about post-race regrets
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I said ages ago on this thread that they had to get it right re stepping him up.
It seems from His quotes that they feel they did not get it right. The fact about whether he stayed is not relevant, it's the fact that his trainer regrets running him,and seeing him failing to sparkle for some time after that race. Some are crabbing yesterday's performance, not me, but some in the game are. If they are right it's possible he's still not totally over Ascot,and may not perform at the festival the way he has in the past. I hope and think he can,but I could be wrong. |
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I don't think I have mentioned Nichols re the Ascot race,although I did say Cyrname in the KG may have been a result of that Ascot race.its also,possible he simply did not stat 3 miles. I have seen no quotes from Nichols,only Hendo. |