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Report asparagus March 9, 2018 9:09 AM GMT
An odd decision to me as he'll never have a better chance to win a grade 1 at Cheltenham. The Ryan Air is a massively below par race this year and if the ground was good to soft or worse he'd have probably gone off 5/2-3/1. Obviously, we don't know the extent to the loss of condition, but the way in which they have been negative about Cheltenham both before and immediately after Ascot suggests that the decision was made a long time ago. Cheltenham isn't everything but he had a lot more chance of winning the Ryan Air this year than he would have in a gold cup next year.
Report impossible123 March 9, 2018 9:20 AM GMT
^^I tend to agree. I think there were 3 horses that ought not to have run in races and then got sidelined soon after eg Thistlecrack (Long Distance), Death Duty (Racing Post Novice) and yesterday Sizing John (Lexus).

Waiting Patiently could have been next,...Aintree it is and I'm a backer, all being well.
Report buddeliea March 9, 2018 9:34 AM GMT
Asparagus

I don't think the Gold Cup is on the agenda.
The King George is though.
To be honest I would not be at all surprised if we never see WP at a Cheltenham festival.
Report Cash Is King March 9, 2018 9:43 AM GMT
It's a great pity because the Ryanair is beginning to look a bit thin.

I'm sure connections realise that the conditions appear to be in their favour this year but one can't blame them for swerving Cheltenham if the horse isn't 100%.
Report impossible123 March 9, 2018 9:49 AM GMT
I think connections of WP have the King George at Kempton as his main target this year. And post a satisfactory or winning run WP would more likely to be targeting the 2019 Gold Cup at Cheltenham - there is only one Gold Cup!
Report Autocue March 9, 2018 10:58 AM GMT
They're genuine people and I don't think a Cheltenham decision was already made though they were honest about swinging that way. Ruth said: "We're taking him out of the Ryanair today. He came back from Ascot fine, but then when we started riding him again the weight dropped off. We'd love to have a Cheltenham Festival winner, obviously, so it is disappointing in some ways, but we can't take the horse if he's not 100 per cent. If I took him to Cheltenham looking light and he ran badly, I'd look pretty stupid. I've backed him off and he's already starting to look a bit better."
None of this comes as a surprise to me after the Ascot race and I wouldn't be backing Cue Card for the Ryanair either. Hopefully we'll see Waiting Patiently test the water at Cheltenham next year. As for those who said connections are cowards, they're either talking out of their pocket or else the wrong hole.
Report asparagus March 9, 2018 11:13 AM GMT
Buddeliea, yes i don't see him as a gold cup horse myself but was the suggestion earlier in the thread that there aim is king george and then gold cup. i agree with you too that he'll probably never run at a festival. And whilst cheltenham isn't everything, i do think it's worth trying him at the track once before you decide it doesn't suit 9which seems to have been on their minds all along). Maybe he has run up light but i still feel this decision was made a while ago and with the ground possibly coming up soft they've been looking for another reason.
Report sageform March 9, 2018 11:19 AM GMT
I laid off most of my WP ante post bet as soon as they expressed doubt after the Ascot run and it is no surprise that they are waiting for Aintree provided the horse is better by then.
Report Desmond Orchard March 9, 2018 11:24 AM GMT
Trainer gives pretty detailed explanation of why the horse is missing the race and punters think it’s either an excuse, a straight up lie, or that they are looking for reasons not to run him. And you wonder why they seem reluctant to communicate?
Obviously the drift and profit taking is disappointing, but it sounds like he was running up light last week and how many people work in the stable or speak to people who work in the stable - unfortunately it’s always going to happen and I’m surprised it wasn’t more pronounced.
Report buddeliea March 9, 2018 12:10 PM GMT
Well they may well try him at Cheltenham early next season...I certainly would.
I just get the impression they don't fancy the course for him, may be wrong of course.
Report ReaseHeath March 9, 2018 12:37 PM GMT
They had him entered in the December Gold Cup at Cheltenham but he was n't 100% in the lead up to that race so they waited for Kempton in January.

Fairly small stable, lost a really nice young horse in Black Ivory on the same day Waiting Patiently won at Ascot and also they might not want to run him and Cloudy Dream in the same race ideally. I can understand their caution and she has been consistent in her communication since Ascot.

Looking forward, they might have a problem in terms of the race programme for Cheltenham experience because he is now rated 170 and all the races over the intermediate trip are handicaps - they could run him in the Shloer at the Open Meeting over 2 miles under a penalty but would want some cut in the ground presumably.The other option would be the Cotswold Chase but, given his apparent fragility, it seems a big ask to sandwich that between the King George and the Gold Cup if they're the targets.I can't see them contemplating running him in next year's Gold Cup with zero course experience. 

Anyway, getting ahead of myself - what I'm really saying is I would n't be surprised if we're having a similar debate about Waiting Patiently this time next year...
Report maelduin March 9, 2018 3:24 PM GMT
I just get the impression they don't fancy the course for him

I agree. Think the only time we see him at Cheltenham will be if he runs in the GC.

He's lightly raced and they are clearly playing it softly softly with him. Interesting that he hasn't been tested over further then 2m5f yet. Personally i think they have doubts about his stamina. He doesn't look like a stayer to me. Can't wait to see him in the Bowl as long as there is a bit of cut in the ground.
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 3:35 PM GMT
if that's the case then he should be in the gold cup this year as he would be a single price for it on this ground

likely to be back to normal good ground next year
Report impossible123 March 9, 2018 3:43 PM GMT
I do not think they would want to do a Thistlecrack or a Coneygree eg one season, the horse a goner.

Aintree is the sensible way to go this year. Post the King George the Blue Riband at Cheltenham next port of call.
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 4:44 PM GMT

Mar 9, 2018 -- 3:43PM, impossible123 wrote:


I do not think they would want to do a Thistlecrack or a Coneygree eg one season, the horse a goner.Aintree is the sensible way to go this year. Post the King George the Blue Riband at Cheltenham next port of call.


quite possibly

and in no way am I dismissing this view or their campaigning of the horse

I just think this chat might sound v foolish if next winter/spring the horse picks up an injury or they struggle to get the ground they want for the races they should be aiming at next ssn given the ability of the horse

racing has a funny way of biting people on the backside for folding a good hand waiting for a better 1

Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 4:46 PM GMT
been plenty of soft ground horses over the last 20 years that never got the ground they needed at cheltenham
Report impossible123 March 9, 2018 4:55 PM GMT
Look at Our Duke. He was ready for the Gold Cup last season, according to most eg he dismissed a competitive field in the Irish National, I believe, but Harrington deliberately not ran him at the Festival; compare than to Sizing John who was going for any race in his way, and look what's happened to him this season - he is missing the Gold Cup.
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 5:06 PM GMT
bird in the hand...
Report Desmond Orchard March 9, 2018 5:21 PM GMT
Our Duke was a novice last season and nobody thought he was ready for the Gold Cup - he won the Irish National a month after the festival, off 153.
I’m sure connections of Sizing John or indeed Coneygree, really regret running their horses in the Gold Cup Crazy
Besides, they’ve clearly stated that the horse isn’t right, so I’m not sure what people’s problem is?
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 5:22 PM GMT
Besides, they’ve clearly stated that the horse isn’t right
where?
Report Tiger Tiger March 9, 2018 5:28 PM GMT
In the last 20 years only Synchronised has ran further than the Gold Cup distance and gone on to win the Gold Cup, out of the 89 who tried! funny old thing stats mind you.
Report Desmond Orchard March 9, 2018 5:29 PM GMT
You’ve got strong views for someone not following the story.....
Ruth Jefferson, “short of peak form” “He came back from Ascot OK, but when we started to ride him again the weight dropped off him....” “needs another easy week”
It’s all out there.
Report unclepuncle March 9, 2018 5:32 PM GMT
Excellent decision in the long term interests of the horse.
Report impossible123 March 9, 2018 5:35 PM GMT
If so, Native River, Our Duke, Minella Rocco or Definitely Red could be the 90th.
Report Tiger Tiger March 9, 2018 5:39 PM GMT
Thats right, would rule all of them outCrazy Hope the stats are wrong this time as I've backed one of them.
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 5:51 PM GMT
desmond if you believe that bollox you will believe anything

sure he probably took time to get over the ascot run, that's usually the case with horses that run to 170+

but they were never going to run imo and now the soft ground has come so have the excuses
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 5:53 PM GMT
how many horses running next week do you think will be short of peak form
plenty that's how many
you will struggle to find a trainer who hasn't had horses held up with their work for 1 reason or another
Report charwell. March 9, 2018 6:50 PM GMT
This was maybe his perfect opportunity.

Can make all the bs excuses in the world but a v weak field and perfect ground are before him. This time next year they will probably rue not letting him take his chance,
Report Desmond Orchard March 9, 2018 7:26 PM GMT
You asked me what was said Wonder, I just repeated the quotes, you can choose to believe them or not. I do, the stable aren’t known for bull5hitting
They were very clear that they had misgivings about running here and the horse being less than 100% probably helped make up their mind, as Ruth said herself, she would look a fool running the horse if it was under the weather and didn’t perform. It may look a weak race, but I can’t think of many sub-par chasers that would have the beating of UDS.
I do understand that there are punters who believe there fiver ante-post should guarantee them a run and that there are those who think that the game is rotten to the core and everyone involved is corrupt and looking to put punters away every chance they get.
To those people I say this; why bother? Find something else that you do believe in, in which to invest your emotional capital. Life is short.
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 7:32 PM GMT
I have no financial involvement in the ryanair or any A/P race market at cheltenham

I'd like to see him in the race for the sake of the sport and also for racing in the north

I think the stuff that has come out in the last few days is laughable quite frankly although I respect their decision not to run
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 7:34 PM GMT
if it was only the horses who were 100% that were running there wouldn't be many runners next week

but if they want to mind the horse and only run him when he's 100% then that's there choice
Report Desmond Orchard March 9, 2018 7:45 PM GMT
So, for the sake of the North, you think the stable should run a sub-par 7yo with his whole career ahead of him in a potentially gruelling G1 chase against arguably the best 2.5 chaser in training. Presumably in the hope that it A) wins B) isn’t f***ed for the foreseeable.
The horse could be anything, the stable would’ve loved a festival winner, particularly given recent events. I doubt they’ve taken the decision lightly and were he 100% I think he would’ve run. You don’t, game of opinions as everyone is keen to point out.
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 7:59 PM GMT
Desmond Orchard • March 9, 2018 7:45 PM GMT
So, for the sake of the North, you think the stable should run a sub-par 7yo


lol get a grip ffs

just keep believing everything they spoon you
Report Desmond Orchard March 9, 2018 8:12 PM GMT
Sensible discussion over, I see.
And folk wonder where all the decent posters are......
Report buddeliea March 9, 2018 9:01 PM GMT
I would like to have seen him in the race as well,especially with the loss of Top Notch.
We now have 2 of the antepost favs as non runners, and the race is a lot worse off now.

That however does not give me the right to call people who care about the horse and know the horse, basically liars.
These are people who have been nothing but honest with us about this horse for ages now.
Any stick they get on here or anywhere else is imo totally unwarranted.
Report Autocue March 9, 2018 9:34 PM GMT
The lass has just lost her Dad who was obviously a major influence on her life and career. I can't understand why people would want to crab her for what looks like a patently sensible decision. We've seen a few sons and daughters struggle along for a bit after the deaths of famous trainer parents and then they pack it in. They're hard acts to follow. I wish her luck and hope she can carry on where her Dad left off. She's made a good start.
Report wondersobright March 9, 2018 9:37 PM GMT
nobody is calling them liars
Report Steamship March 9, 2018 10:22 PM GMT
Ruth was  straight with people about Cheltenham within 1 hour of his Ascot win. We don't know what the owners input has been on the subject.
Good decision imo.
Report buddeliea March 10, 2018 6:23 AM GMT
desmond if you believe that bollox you will believe anything

That seems to suggest that you dont believe them.
Report sageform March 10, 2018 7:41 AM GMT
The big puzzle is why he shortened again after being pushed right out following the statement from connections after Ascot when they made it pretty clear that they didn't like Cheltenham.
Report Autocue March 10, 2018 8:09 AM GMT
Speculation to begin with I suppose then people getting sucked in by the shortening price. Happens a lot.
Report wondersobright April 3, 2018 11:56 AM BST
I just think this chat might sound v foolish if next winter/spring the horse picks up an injury or they struggle to get the ground they want for the races they should be aiming at next ssn given the ability of the horse

racing has a funny way of biting people on the backside for folding a good hand waiting for a better 1


injured and misses aintree Plain
Report duffy April 3, 2018 3:32 PM BST
I wonder if everyone is still back slapping at the assumption that because CC ran no race it automatically meant that WP would have did the same.Crazy

bonkers not to run in the Ryanair....the big excuse about the ground did not even exist...they had their groundCrazy
Report Autocue April 3, 2018 5:02 PM BST
It would have been a brilliant decision to run the horse in the Ryanair when it wasn't working well Crazy
I wonder if everyone who thought the horse should run when not right in case it has a setback later is backslapping today Crazy
Report irishone April 4, 2018 9:21 AM BST
jefferson wouldnt last five minutes over here
he really does look after his horses
he is probably top of the non runners league
there are a few of them over there
dr richard and emma do the same thing
dont run them unless 100%
winning percentage more important than number of runners
they think their clever ......
Report irishone April 4, 2018 9:24 AM BST
* they are ! Laugh
Report sageform April 4, 2018 11:32 AM BST
Thee horse has probably had a minor issue since Ascot which has now got worse and so he is out for this season and possibly for next season as well which is a terrible shame.
Report irishone April 4, 2018 12:06 PM BST
it is a shame but you cant wrap them in cotton wool
Report Desmond Orchard April 4, 2018 1:14 PM BST
Yes, I’m sure all that standing around in his box and taking things easy have caused this latest setback Crazy
Report irishone April 4, 2018 10:51 PM BST
they have only got to lie down at an awkward angle and they can get up lame , many have cast themselves in a stable and not survived.

horses dont stand around in their stables..... if only they did !
Report wondersobright April 5, 2018 4:02 PM BST
agree with you irish
some absolute bollox has been spoken on this thread about this horse & on other similar threads
you cant wrap them in cotton wool 100% SPOT ON
Report wondersobright April 5, 2018 4:04 PM BST
how many times do you think horses are 100% sound, fit, happy and healthy??

almost never in their career that's how often

if owners & trainers don't want to run them then fine, its their prerogative

but let's not have the lectures on here
Report irishone April 6, 2018 9:30 AM BST
dont think many on here can be owners
let alone trainers
if they were
they would know the score !
Report irishone April 7, 2018 9:44 AM BST
genie in a bottle found dead in his stable this morning ......
Report Autocue April 11, 2018 8:29 PM BST
"jefferson wouldnt last five minutes over here
he really does look after his horses
he is probably top of the non runners league"

This nobhead doesn't even realise Mal Jefferson is dead Crazy
Report wondersobright January 11, 2019 3:20 PM GMT
ttt
Report sageform January 11, 2019 7:13 PM GMT
I really hope he does win a good race this season as he is a very good horse but if I was his owner I would be getting pretty fed up.
Report buddeliea January 12, 2019 7:36 AM GMT
See this thread has surfaced again.....any news on the horse?
Report sageform January 13, 2019 2:21 PM GMT
Ruth Jefferson interviewed a day or 2 ago and said "he is fine but won't run unless they are happy with the ground. He will not run in the Gold Cup now as he missed the KG so will concentrate on the Ryanair". There are not many opportunities to get a trial run before then unless over hurdles.
Report clayfield1 February 4, 2019 2:56 PM GMT
Runs Saturday
Report in hell February 6, 2019 8:41 AM GMT
Soft ground this weekend , lets see if Ruth gets him out of the box .
Trainer states it's worth considering , but I can't stand here today and say we're going to run him
Report Somerset Sam February 6, 2019 9:35 AM GMT

Feb 6, 2019 -- 8:41AM, in hell wrote:


Soft ground this weekend , lets see if Ruth gets him out of the box .Trainer states it's worth considering , but I can't stand here today and say we're going to run him


My reading of the fact he might not run was because the Game Spirit is over 2 miles as opposed to anything else. The horse is fit and ready to run apparently.

Report sageform February 6, 2019 10:55 AM GMT
If they are willing to get him beaten in order to have a run on soft ground, why not run? He always travels like a speed horse but his RPR over 2 miles is 10lb behind 2.5. I am really surprised that Fox Norton is even money though.
Report impossible123 February 6, 2019 11:17 AM GMT
There's the Ascot Chase over 2m 5f  on 16th Feb, and he's 2/1 fav for it.
Report wondersobright February 7, 2019 11:30 AM GMT
with the equine flu will newbury even be on??

wondersobright • March 9, 2018 4:44 PM GMT
think this chat might sound v foolish if next winter/spring the horse picks up an injury or they struggle to get the ground they want for the races they should be aiming at next ssn given the ability of the horse

racing has a funny way of biting people on the backside for folding a good hand waiting for a better 1
Report sageform February 7, 2019 4:42 PM GMT
They will struggle to get a run before Cheltenham now. The Owners must be pretty fed up. A healthy horse rated 170 ready to run for 5 months, one run, one fall, £0 prize money.
Report impossible123 February 7, 2019 5:45 PM GMT
If horse racing resumes after next wednesday the Ascot Chase on 16th Feb will be pivotal to getting him spot-on for the Festival in March.
Report sageform February 9, 2019 3:12 PM GMT
If the going stick is 0.1 outside their criteria will he run?
Report Hanx February 9, 2019 3:39 PM GMT
I'm fully prepared to admit I'm wrong and almost certainly not in full possession of the facts, but Ruth Jefferson has and continues to f@rt about with this horse in a manner her father would never have done.

Yes the present closedown of racing is annoying and cuts across plans, but as has been pointed out, 1/3rd of a race this season and umming and ahhing about it's best trip and not even declaring it for the Cotswold Chase (tailor made for it I would have thought) etc et-bleedin'-cetera

It's all becoming a bit of a bore frankly.....
Report dunlaying February 9, 2019 3:53 PM GMT
Ruth has had no luck . It is misfortune rather than mismanagement .
Report penzance February 9, 2019 5:03 PM GMT
got a good record after a break.
Report impossible123 February 9, 2019 5:15 PM GMT
No going news for Ascot yet however, Sandown (just next door) is soft (hurdles), and heavy (chase) for next friday's meeting.
Report Meat Loaf February 10, 2019 2:35 PM GMT
Running in some micky mouse race at Kelso I believe.

Ascot will be good ground on Saturday - dry sunny week expected.
Report sageform February 10, 2019 4:05 PM GMT
Has he ever raced without a breakLaugh
Report Ekbalco February 10, 2019 6:57 PM GMT
She'd pull it out of a Walkover on Good ground.

Ridiculous campaigning of a potential champion.


R A C E horses.
Report impossible123 February 11, 2019 2:53 PM GMT
He's 15/8 for the Ascot Chase on saturday. The ground is soft,...will surely run that ground, if horse racing gets the go ahead.
Report Autocue February 11, 2019 3:40 PM GMT
Can't see what folk are whingeing about. It took a while to get over a hard race in last year's Ascot Chase, then she ran it in the King George first time out, then it was declared to run again last weekend after a normal break but luck was against it and now it's declared to run this weekend. How is that keeping it under wraps? It's bound to be easy training it from your armchair. If the owners were unhappy they'd have moved the horse so it seems some people haven't got enough to do if they feel the need to spend time pretending they're making complaints on the owners' behalf.
Report Hanx February 11, 2019 3:54 PM GMT
Speaking personally I was complaining on a racing fan's behalf, because youre absolutely correct.

If owners don't like how the horse is being trained / entered they can take it to a proper trainer.

That Ascot Chase sure must have been a tough race! Coming off the back of a busy chedule of two races in the previous 12 months, he clearly needed over 10 months to get over his exertions.

There's no ecaping the fact that it's run about a mile in the last 12 months - oh, and the trainer still isn't sure what it's best trip is apparently!
Report duffy February 11, 2019 4:35 PM GMT
Why didn't he run at the festival again? ground worry wasn't it?
Report Autocue February 11, 2019 9:05 PM GMT
So Ruth Jefferson isn't a proper trainer based on less than one year's evidence? I bet if she has to give up training the people denigrating her will be congratulating themselves on their foresight and judgement. Enjoy.
Report Autocue February 11, 2019 9:16 PM GMT
As for why he didn't run after his Ascot win:
“We’re taking him out of the Ryanair today. He came back from Ascot fine, but then when we started riding him again the weight dropped off."
Report Hanx February 12, 2019 8:19 AM GMT
If she has to give up training it'll be because she cannot attract enough owners at the prices she charges them. The owners of WP seem perfectly happy with the situation so all power to them. Like I said, I'm just passing comment as a racing enthusast who thinks race horses should race.

If it were mine I'd be asking questions about how it was ready to race at Christmas (after a 10 month break) over 3 miles, ran a mile and hasn't been seen since and apparently no one knows what it's best trip is.

Can we agree that never has a horse been better named?
Report Autocue February 12, 2019 10:25 AM GMT
Hanx: "Ruth Jefferson has and continues to f@rt about with this horse IN A MANNER HER FATHER WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE"

Hanx: "That Ascot Chase sure must have been a tough race! COMING OFF THE BACK OF A BUSY SCHEDULE OF TWO RACES IN THE PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS"

ie. when it was trained by her father.

I think you're allowing spite to get in the way of straight thinking.
Report impossible123 February 12, 2019 10:36 AM GMT
No worries. The Ascot Chase this saturday is ideal for him - no further excuse for not showing up.
Report Hanx February 12, 2019 10:39 AM GMT
And I think you're taking this way way t00 seriously.

I've admitted I don't have the inside drop on all this and there could be any number of reasons why the horse hasn't run. It's down to the owners and the trainer to sort out a schedule for the horse and the owners (who pay the piper) to call the tune if they're unhappy with this.

It was  a throwawy comment.

Let's hope the horse runs on Saturday - mind you the sun is out for the next 4 days so I'm not hopeful.
Report Hibore February 12, 2019 11:40 AM GMT
Only running if vaccinated in last 6 months.
Report ReaseHeath February 12, 2019 12:27 PM GMT
he's had a 'flu jab recently according to RP Weekender on Twitter (they've spoken to Ruth Jefferson for tomorrow's edition)
Report buddeliea February 12, 2019 12:29 PM GMT
Top Notch aintSad
Report impossible123 February 12, 2019 6:15 PM GMT
If he runs he must be considered a good thing against these lot, surely, and 13/8 not a bad price either.
Report wondersobright February 12, 2019 8:25 PM GMT
a mild & mostly dry week is f/c so ground will be quicker than last year...slowest I'm expecting is g/s, maybe good places by saturday

must be bigger than 13/8 to even run imo
Report irishone February 13, 2019 10:03 AM GMT
How can you possibly (or impossibly)  keep rattling on about a horse for the Cheltenham festival

When it only ran three times last year ? (since you moan about PP)
Unseated in the only decent race he ever ran in ?
Never ever run at the Cheltenham before  ?
let alone WON at the course before

Id say he was many pounds below class 1 standard and is no more than a two and a half mile plodder

OK hes beaten Cue Card …. the same Cue Card that was run off his feet by Balko de Flos etc in the Ryanair last year just a month afterhe ascot chase
And who has  beaten Balko De Flos …. not Presenting Percy …….. No it cant be ?
Report Hibore February 13, 2019 12:07 PM GMT
Irish, you do make me laugh sometimes or are you getting your net out ?

WP has won a open Grade 1 off 170p and PP would get weight off this two and a half mile plodder if it was a handicap. You are right WP has lots to prove at Cheltenham but he's the right price once you factor everything in...6/1 for the Ryanair.

By the way WP thrashed Gods Own who beat Vautour in Ireland...the last Irish superstar. Does that mean he's better than him ?
Report irishone February 13, 2019 1:33 PM GMT
Irish, you do make me laugh sometimes or are you getting your net out ?

yep …..
Report impossible123 February 13, 2019 3:45 PM GMT
We'll have a better idea whether the accolade or hype on PP is justified post saturday afternoon; bet against PP with Monalee (4/1).
Report irishone February 13, 2019 8:19 PM GMT
Whetes the hype on PP

He is a two time festival champion ....no hype required !
Report impossible123 February 13, 2019 9:04 PM GMT
"A two-time Festival Champion"

Winning a substandard RSA beating Monalee who ran in the wrong race, and not won a race since; a Listed handicap hurdle. For that I certainly would not call him a 2-time Festival "champion" - a misrepresentation.
Report irishone February 14, 2019 9:09 AM GMT
"Sub standard RSA "


We are still ignoring a Welsh National winner then .... PMSL ExcitedLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report impossible123 February 14, 2019 9:43 AM GMT
Native River won the Welsh National too, and carrying top weight of 11st 12lb; he also won a Gold Cup with the 4th Road To Respect was 12l away. Has Elegant Escape won a Gold Cup?
Report irishone February 14, 2019 9:57 AM GMT
Sorry, thought you said "sub standard RSA" ?

Poor bait
Report sageform February 14, 2019 3:36 PM GMT
It was a sub standard RSA.
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