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Jb23
05 Mar 18 16:02
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Gigginstown runners in the Martin Pipe (0-145) over the past 4 years:

2017- Champagne Classic WON off 138 - Ran third in  2m4f 'At The Races Michael Purcell Memorial Novice Hurdle' (Grade 3) @ Thurles
2016- No Gigginstown Runner
2015- Roi Des Francs THIRD off 139- WON the 3m 'Surehaul Mercedes-Benz Novice Hurdle' (Grade 3) @ Clonmel
2014- Don Poli WON off 143 - WON the 3m 'Surehaul Mercedes-Benz Novice Hurdle' (Grade 3) @ Clonmel

Working off of the pure assumption that Gigginstown have fared 'Okay' in recent years in the Martin Pipe, I think its probably more than likely that they will aim to campaign their runners in a similar fashion to the ones which have had so much success in the recent past.

2018 Gigginstown Runners in:
2m4f 'At The Races Michael Purcell Memorial Novice Hurdle' (Grade 3) @ Thurles:
- Blow By Blow 8/1 (WON)
- Gun Digger 7/2 (Second)

3m 'Surehaul Mercedes-Benz Novice Hurdle' (Grade 3) @ Clonmel
- Burren Life 7/2 (Third)
- Monkshood 6/4f (Unplaced)


Gigginstown Entries to the Martin Pipe:
5. Blow By Blow OR144 (11-09)
24. Tell Us More OR140 (11-05)
28. Hardline OR140 (11-05)
29. The Game Changer OR140 (11-05)
32. Dortmund Park OR140 (11-05)
34. Delta Work OR139 (11-04)
36. Monkshood OR139 (11-04)
48. Roaring Bull OR138 (11-03)
74. Burren Life OR136 (11-01)
109. Gun Digger OR132 (10-11)


Blow By Blow is absolutely leaping off of the page at me. A lb higher than Don Poli, same prep race at Champagne Classic (Notably booked with Rachel Blackmore on board). At 25-1 NRNB with the class of this horse and a booking of Rachel Blackmore this could be so very easily be 4 or 5 /1 on the day. I love the fact that its a future chaser because IMO thats what the Martin Pipe is, a race for proper future chasers (Killutagh Vic, Sir Des Champs, Don Poli etc).


Would also be worth noting Monkshood and Burren Life ran in the same race as Roi Des Francs. Burren Life has no chance of getting in at 76, so would be tempted with a saver on Monkshood at 60s on the machine.


Just an angle in I have stumbled across this afternoon :)
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Report illinois_riki March 5, 2018 5:24 PM GMT
Will Rachel qualify for this race ?  I have been looking at the same angle myself and I personally liked the profile of Roaring Bull but he may not make the cut
Report duffy March 5, 2018 5:36 PM GMT
it's going to be running off 144 isn't it
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y March 5, 2018 5:39 PM GMT
Yes he is running off 144 (11-09)

Have took a chance on Whiskey Sour in this, Willie has targeted it with novices in the past (been Gigginstown novices as the OP pointsd out) so played him nr-nb
Report Can't Catch Me March 5, 2018 5:54 PM GMT
With the defection of Cracking Smart I imagine one of Blow by Blow or Dortmund Park might be rerouted to the AB.

Ive backed four NRNB for this... Early Doors, Delta Work, Dortmund Park and Whiskey Sour. Like pf says, Willie has a great record. My only worry with WS is that the race is usually won by staying chaser types and he doesnt really fit that mould. But he would be a class act in this race.

Have also backed Delta Work for the Pertemps and think he will go most likely go there but want to have him onside wherever he goes..
Report Jb23 March 6, 2018 9:03 AM GMT
"Alb Bartlett next. GE: dortmund park had wind op. Interesting to see what Willie runs. Next Destination should run here. Cracking Smart back next season for chasing"

From a Preview evening last night. @SPGBetting on twitter for those wanting the full thing
Report Jb23 March 7, 2018 8:05 AM GMT
He’ll go for the Martin Pipe. He won well last time in first-time blinkers and that was probably the first time he’s shown his true form since he won the Grade 1 bumper at Punchestown. I’d say a combination of the less testing ground and blinkers were a help to him. - Gordon Elliott stable tour
Report unclepuncle March 16, 2018 7:55 AM GMT
Lough Derg Spirit was an eyecatcher for me in the Betfair hurdle and that form has been franked. At 28/1 he'll do for me.
Report duffy March 16, 2018 2:38 PM GMT
^
I agree, I've thought looking back that he needs further than 2 miles, he ran well for a long way at Liverpool and stuck at it, he's was under the cosh at Newbury but again stuck on well up the straight. He gets caught out when they quicken up but there won't be any of that today, chance if he can get into that rhythm. Slight concern is that with the ground the way it is, the 2 of the county might have turned it into enough of a stamina test today to compensate.
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 16, 2018 4:27 PM GMT
I really like Carter McKay, dont think they tried on him lto.

Also on No Hassle Hoff as he will love the ground.
Report wellchief March 16, 2018 4:59 PM GMT
I tip by hat to you JB - well done mate - great write up and put your neck on the line
Report duffy March 16, 2018 5:08 PM GMT
Very Well Done OP
Report geoff m March 16, 2018 5:10 PM GMT
Cracking JB well researched brilliant write up .Well deserved
Report bobbyjo March 16, 2018 5:16 PM GMT
Great shout, well done
Report unclepuncle March 16, 2018 6:25 PM GMT
Thanks JB23 - you won me £500.Laugh
Report Jb23 March 16, 2018 11:10 PM GMT
Thanks all. Glad you made a few quid Uncle! Safe to say that race has a big red circle in my calendar next year.

As a man a few pints deep, I hope everyone had a good festival!

Here’s to many more winners, Reading this forum with a coffee and the eternal hope of an antepost winner...... right who wins the Arkle 2019
Report Catch Me ifyoucan October 29, 2018 2:38 PM GMT
Jb23
Top Class - opinion and write up. Well done sir.

“thats what the Martin Pipe is, a race for proper future chasers (Killutagh Vic, Sir Des Champs, Don Poli etc)”.

With that in mind, and the usual way that Giggs “aim to campaign their runners in a similar fashion to the ones which have had so much success in the recent past”

So, where too from here for BBB iyho ? (After winning his Beginners Chase in Galway yesterday).
Report Jb23 February 24, 2021 8:28 PM GMT
Hello all. Back again to bask in this moment of glory.

Basking over. I know Gigginstown have the AP fave in Wide Receiver but he looks well found in the market and tbh doesn't really fit the profile I look for in their MP horse. The one who is leaping off the page at me is actually Ragnar Lodbrok. For vastly the same reasons and race planning which Blow By Blow, Champagne Classic, Roi Des Francs & Don Poli had. I also did a few tweets on it with a little research which I wont regurgitate but is there if anyone want's a read: https://twitter.com/Bailey_Joel/status/1361640012928999424
Report Jb23 February 25, 2021 10:15 AM GMT
Despite not being Gigginstown, Grand Paradis runs today in the rearranged G3 Michael Purcell at Thurles. Awfully nice profile for the race so am happy to settle on the below as my selections for the race

Ragnar Lodbok 20-1 NRNB with Sky
Grand Paradis 20-1 Wills or (16-1 NRNB lads)

Paddy noticeably short on Grand Paradis at 10’s NRNB
Report Andymca February 25, 2021 1:31 PM GMT
Took 33s on ragnar with billys and might do grand paradis on the day i see Ragnar also got a mention on sporting life today
Report Anyska February 25, 2021 4:00 PM GMT
impressive from grand paradis there, jumping isn't mighty but should improve again by the fesitval
Report Bentring February 25, 2021 5:09 PM GMT
Will this be rated 145 or less to get a run GP
Report GAZO February 25, 2021 5:36 PM GMT
the racingpost are not confident he will get in and he wasnt ridden like the martin pipe was the plan
Report duffy February 25, 2021 6:05 PM GMT
Unlikely RL will get in off of his current mark he's only rated 128 in Ireland and even with a bit of help from the English handicapper in pushing him up he is still a bit off.

Only 3 times in the race's existence would he get in that low and 2 of those were in two of the first 3 runnings.

You need to be 135 at least generally.

Conversely Grand paradis looks in real danger of being too high, he's just smashed up a 140 horse by 13 lengths getting just the 2lbs.

Grand Paradis would have been comfortably in without today, I reckon the Elliott horse for this race must be lurking elsewhere.
Report Bentring February 25, 2021 6:20 PM GMT
Thanks for the input was thinking that 140 13L but didn't know how the weights and measures work regarding times etc.
Report duffy February 25, 2021 6:25 PM GMT
The 4th horse a further 20 lengths adrift has a rating of 132 and the winner was pushed out, like Gazo says that doesn't smack of trying to get into the MP.
Report cobra sam February 26, 2021 1:54 PM GMT
st doreaux maybe ...total guess tbh
Report Paterson92 February 26, 2021 11:55 PM GMT
As previously mentioned, Ragnar Lodbrok was also on my radar as he was declared for the Surehaul Mercedes-Benz Novice Hurdle. Unfortunately he was pulled out due to being lame on the morning of the race and given that he probably needs a win to get a high enough mark to get into the Martin Pipe, time is likely to get the better of him.

Frontal Assault was the super-sub in Ragnar Lodbrok’s absence and is now 20/1 for the MP.

The one who fits the profile for me is Torygraph, who would almost certainly get in off a mark of 141 (Elliott entered him at Musselburgh to get a mark). He looks tailor made for the race, however it looks as though he’s going to end up in the Albert Bartlett. If the exchanges are anything to go by, Farouk D’alene could miss the festival altogether and Torygraph looks to be his replacement. He’s also a 20/1 best price for the MP though.
Report Jb23 February 27, 2021 10:37 AM GMT

Feb 26, 2021 -- 5:55PM, Paterson92 wrote:


As previously mentioned, Ragnar Lodbrok was also on my radar as he was declared for the Surehaul Mercedes-Benz Novice Hurdle. Unfortunately he was pulled out due to being lame on the morning of the race and given that he probably needs a win to get a high enough mark to get into the Martin Pipe, time is likely to get the better of him.Frontal Assault was the super-sub in Ragnar Lodbrok’s absence and is now 20/1 for the MP.The one who fits the profile for me is Torygraph, who would almost certainly get in off a mark of 141 (Elliott entered him at Musselburgh to get a mark). He looks tailor made for the race, however it looks as though he’s going to end up in the Albert Bartlett. If the exchanges are anything to go by, Farouk D’alene could miss the festival altogether and Torygraph looks to be his replacement. He’s also a 20/1 best price for the MP though.


Interesting, cheers mate. I didn't know the Viking warrior was lame on the morning so explains his absence. Agreed that he will likely be too low in the weights now and I have likely a dart too high and too low!

Torygraph certainly an interesting proposition and is probably a worthwhile NRNB incase like you say Ragnar and Farouk don't make it for one reason or another.

hope you're well, long time!

Report Andymca February 27, 2021 10:50 AM GMT
PP  did a special bet Fakiera 33/1, it's now best price 8/1
Report duffy March 5, 2021 4:24 PM GMT
RL been bumped up a whopping 8lbs, although a negative in the context of the woe is me handicapping of the Irish horses, actually gives him every chance now of a run.
Report Jb23 March 7, 2021 10:25 AM GMT

Mar 5, 2021 -- 10:24AM, duffy wrote:


RL been bumped up a whopping 8lbs, although a negative in the context of the woe is me handicapping of the Irish horses, actually gives him every chance now of a run.


a runner at a price is all you can wish for!

We shall see. Here's hoping.

Report irishone March 8, 2021 4:40 PM GMT
There is a mare in this that ran in it last year but is unlikely to go this year. Also in mares hurdle and coral cup. Watched her on her maiden win back at Rosscommon some years ago. Patrick had high hopes for her but well beaten by favourite for mares hurdle Concertista also entered in coral cup. Two and half miles with eleven stone one is right up her street, needs a tight track rather than a gallop, 33\1 each way , might be bigger on here on the day . My Sister Sarah.
Report Jb23 March 11, 2021 8:59 PM GMT
AP fave- Wide Receiver is out for the season.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 March 11, 2021 9:28 PM GMT
Front View, 25/1 currently, was the 4/1 market leader for this last year finishing down the field WinkWink

Admittedly he was mentioned on the pp preview the other dayCrazy
Report cobra sam March 12, 2021 9:27 AM GMT
couple running at sandown tomorrow...money going thru low on the exchange...worth a bet for nothing,,nrnb,,,,leoncavallo and langer dan....
Report cobra sam March 12, 2021 5:04 PM GMT
leoncavello still 33/1 nrnb...pipes running really well...no brainer in my book
Report Bentring March 12, 2021 6:03 PM GMT
^^so it runs and loses you get your money back
Report Cash Is King March 12, 2021 7:33 PM GMT
Like Cobra Sam I've backed Leoncavallo at 33/1 for this race. He's got a mark of 142 which guarantees a run in a race which David Pipe has tried many times to win.

I'm a little surprised and disappointed to see that he's running over 2m in the Imperial Cup at Sandown tomorrow. I can only presume that the thinking is: if he wins he'll be eligible for the bonus if he then follows up in the Martin Pipe. Either that or the Imperial Cup is a standalone target.

The Martin Pipe is a 0-145 race. If Leoncavallo wins tomorrow he'll still be eligible for the Martin Pipe - even though he'll be running off an effective mark of 147 because of the 5lbs penalty - because his mark when entered was below the 145 maximum.
Report Jb23 March 13, 2021 12:24 PM GMT
Ragnar scratched this morning Cry
Report Andymca March 13, 2021 12:34 PM GMT
Running in the 3.20 at Navan today
Report cobra sam March 13, 2021 2:43 PM GMT
50/1 langer looking juicy now,,,hope a few followed
Report Mister Westsound March 13, 2021 4:03 PM GMT
No chance it gets in Surely  Langer Dan)
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK March 13, 2021 8:25 PM GMT
Galopin des Champs I Was put onto this horse back in November
As possible big novice hurdle chance ,
Well not gone to plan in fact the horse looked crooked at Christmas

100/1 at leopards town other month run pretty good race behind some nice types
My 25s any race at chelts not dead in water
Do hope the yard put in this as looks most likely to have winning chance
But like most horses don’t know what they have on there mind til race week
Fingers and toes x
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK March 19, 2021 5:11 PM GMT
Not too far my
The firm of that Leopardstown race unreal
Report unclepuncle March 19, 2021 5:13 PM GMT
They knew Fattie.Cool
Report duffy March 19, 2021 5:13 PM GMT
WDCool
Report Andymca March 19, 2021 5:26 PM GMT
Another great shout
Report The Councillor March 19, 2021 6:48 PM GMT
job well done, fair play
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