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I can't get away from this horse for the Gold Cup. Looking at the field, all the runners have a question mark surrounding them in some shape or form. I thought Killultagh Vic was running a huge race on Sunday and feel he has plenty of improvement in him. I think he's worth an each way poke even if he has a few flaws himself! Thoughts?
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I completely agree but I'll probably just do win only on here, just not sure whether to do it soon in case it gets backed in or wait til the day
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Watch the horse through the early part of the race, he jumped very poorly indeed, he must retain some engine to get where he did, but on quicker festival ground at a faster pace, he'd be in a heap of trouble early on, love the horse but not for me in a GC.
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@ bigfield I think at 10/1 12/1 NRNB he’s a very backable each way price and I can see him being much shorter on the day particular if Mullins has a good festival! @duffy I agree his jumping does need improving and he is prone to mistakes (very novice like) at a few of his fences which is a concern especially round Cheltenham but surely he’s worth a punt at the given prices!
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my thoughts exactly! but will be playing win only because that's how I do it :
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*:D
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Bigger returns! Bigger profits!
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Bigger heartache when it comes 2nd haha
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Hahaha that’s very true! I’ll be happy mind!
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He has a proper chance in the Gold Cup, assuming he's recovered from the fall, and all things being equal he really should learn an awful lot from the experience of the Irish Gold Cup.
He's a novice in all but name and that was some performance at the weekend to come back from 2 years off and running over fences for only the third time in his career. Yanworth and Finians Oscar, to put that into perspective,have each run 4 times over fences. I don't understand how he appears to be still so underrated. When he won the Punchestown novice hurdle he beat Thistlecrack fair and square, and they pulled well clear of Shaneshill, Sub Lieutenant, No More Heros etc and he has shown beyond doubt now that he's as good as ever,probably better than ever, jumping fences. |
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That looked a very weak contest on Sunday, and although I love the horse to bits I feel it could be a next year horse for Gold Cup. If they put headgear on the horse I may have a token bet, because the quirks he showed on Sunday certainly won`t be tolerated at Cheltenham.
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Possible he could be suited to the Gold Cup,was certainly running well other day.
Looking at his form though I have my doubts,lot of soft and heavy at distances a lot less than 3m2f.Had his problems as well.Gut feeling is he would struggle with the conditions of a Gold Cup. Good bit of form over 3m hurdles though. All in all 14 does not get me tempted, but hes one that could prove me wrong, and may be wise to keep an open mind. |
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@maam8mandingo -- I think at 10/1 12/1 NRNB he’s a very backable each way price and I can see him being much shorter on the day particular if Mullins has a good festival!
Wrong question imo, or right question but wrong timeframe. For me, the question is not will Killultagh Vic be shorter on the day but will he be shorter the week before -- by that time, we will have a much clearer idea of the likely fields for the Gold Cup and the Ryanair, and the going, but the price will not have been affected by acca's running on from the first two or three days. Now almost all the books are NRNB (and even the ones that aren't are often the same sorts of prices) there is not much scope for many horses to shorten so in most cases, including KV's, I'd rather wait till March. Yes, he might come in a couple of points but equally he might be pushed out a couple of points on the day. |
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Watch to the first mile the other day before you back him would be my thoughts.
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Plus, would you really want to be backing a horse that just want ar5e over t1t the race before...not me.
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Well someones backing him Duffy......best price 10 now !!!
Crazy price imo |
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A little surprised at some of the comments. That wasn't a weak contest by any means. Edwulf was a shock yes but he's probably a far better horse than we realize. Outlander has loads of top class form, especially around leopardstown. Djakadam. Minella Rocco, Our Duke and Valseur Lido are all proper Grade 1 horses and Annibale Fly is now too good for handicaps. Has there been a deeper quality 3 mile chase run this season? And to my eyes KV was about to win convincingly.
Yes his jumping was novicey but that's because he is a novice and it was noticable how it improved as the race went on, until the last which he cleared ok but made a classic novice mistake on landing. All the headgear in the world wouldn't have changed anything and he won't be wearing any headgear in the future because he doesn't need any. He doesn't need soft or heavy ground,its just that that's usually all he gets and he'll be just fine on good if that's what we get in March. Other than Might Bite( who is more than capable of beating himself), there's nothing much to fear but I would like to see him get another run before Cheltenham. |
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Opinions are great to have.
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Hey Firstimevisor " ur early Samcro comment" 6-1 or upwards and you have a decent bet. Anything under 5-1 at this stage is absolutely bonkers. LOL
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Easygold, the celebrations are a little premature are they not. He still has to get there, run in that race and then win it, which is something Denman didn't manage to do.
I hope he does run in the Ballymore for the sake of those on at fancy prices. PS nice use of quotation marks there. |
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For me Killultagh Vic wont last past the first circuit. The horse should be running in the world hurdle
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His Jumping of a fence is shocking
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You do know the trading button is PINK..... I have nothing to worry about if he runs or not.....
 the kiddies corner is over there. |
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Quevega,
Completely agree re: World Hurdle, I requested him to be added to the race after the race on Sunday. He didn't make a novice mistake either, he completely twisted his rear end in mid air, which is something he did at one earlier in the race too. He's a big fav of mine, in fact I'm claiming forum ownership of him after I put a thread up tipping him up before the Martin Pipe, it's back there somewhere  and the way he got himself into the race shows just what an engine he's still got.I'd be all over him for the WH but the stable need him desperately for the elusive GC. |
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His hurdling was poor too on debut.
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True, but on balance he's probably got a better chance of coming back safely over the smaller obstacles, quicker ground faster pace he'd be in real bother in the GC.
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Yeh have to agree re jumping, and that goes for any horse in this years Gold Cup.
The way Might Bite runs, a horse is gonna have to jump well,otherwise far too much ground will be lost during the race. If one is gonna take a chance on a novice than bigger odds than 10 are needed imo. Nowt wrong with taking a chance with odds that reflect that though and fair play to those that have,but current odds no way reflect that imo. I backed Rocco for this and he can jump rather dodgy at times but he was 25, plus he has ran well in this race before. Definitly Red is bigger odds,a good jumper and lto imo as impressive as any Gold Cup contender I have seen recently. To me hes a bigger danger to Might Bite than KV. |
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Of the outsiders I have a fancy for Bachasson at 50/1 NRNB. Might go Ryanair but if they put him in here he has the sort of profile that might just work in a Gold Cup.
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Yeh ive had a bit of that as well....never know,unexposed improving type at big odds.
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Rocco will always catch my eye at bigger odds because he's run very well in the race before and also because there is that ongoing thought with him that there is something that there is a stack of untapped potential waiting to be unlocked with him if they can only find it!!! earlier in the season Jonjo was very bullish about his chances for the GC this year.
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Yeh,and hes drifted since his last run,so gonna top up.
Bizarre run last time I thought,far too close to the pace than he normally is. |
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Just watched Irish Gold Cup again.
KV definitely a bit iffy jumping early,which he cannot afford at Cheltenham. He did jump better as the race progressed,aside from the last of course. Would not like to say what would have happened had he jumped the last ok,looked like he and Edwulf were going fairly similar at the time,maybe KV going slightly better,but certainly no given he would have won. Not sure re the quality of the race as it panned out,Djakadam not the horse he was,Our Duke made a race ending mistake,and Outlander although good round Leopardstown is not Gold Cup class imo. Still cant believe the current price to be honest. |
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When is the last time a horse won the Gold Cup that fell in their race prior?
Has it happened before? (sure it must have but I cannot remember any since 2000 anyway) |
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I just watched the race again and followed KC around. His early leaps just looked very exuberant to me and not so much dodgy, he was on a very tight reign early doors, and looked to me like a young horse who just wanted to get on with it. I wouldn't be inclined to view it negatively, it was only his third chase start, and his fencing improved as the race went on.
I'm sure if the race was run again Paul Townend would do it diferently at the last and make the horses mind up, not sure this was his finest moment. The horses inexperience and this fall are big negatives for winning the Gold Cup; the current price of 10/1 is poor value considering you can back RTR at the same price. However the horse is class, is a festival winner and will have Ruby on board come March. Trainer has reported the horse to have recovered well from his fall. |
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Most Gold Cup winners have had falls at some stage. Not all were perfect jumpers. Kauto Star had 3 or 4 and also caused quite a few heart-stopping moments where he somehow stayed on his feet.Moscow Flyer fell regularly but that didn't stop him being one of the best 2 milers we have seen. I'm almost certain Mr Mulligan fell in a KG prior to his GC.
Yes it is a concern that KV's confidence may be affected by the fall but he had only run twice over fences before that and when he got into a rhythm, jumping upsides the old pros, his jumping was good and he really should have learned an awful lot from that experience. There's a possibility he could run in the Ryanair but wherever he turns up he'll be going there with a live chance. I don't see much wrong with his GC price,he's entitled to more improvement than any other GC horse, and I'd struggle to see how the likes of Djakadam or Minella Rocco are going to turn things around with him from last weekend, though I could see Our Duke improving a lot for the run. |
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Just remembered Dawn Run. How could i forget - my all time favourite horse - she fell prior to the GC . Actually there are quite a few similarities with her and KV. They both got injuries as novices, both fell on their third run over fences. Dawn Run won a GC on only her fourth run over fences and KV(hopefully) will try the same trick.
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Cheers, before my time she was so didn't realise she did.
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Well Rocco has had only one race in mind all season,and this trainer does that.
Not sure why he was up near the pace this time, but i would think and hope he will be back off the pace for the race hes being trained for. I expect him to reverse the form.......if he dont fall!! Think he is suited to the Gold Cup as his run last year proved,not so sure KV is,plus KV is still inexperienced at this level. As i said before though,i will keep an open mind,cos these sorts can prove one wrong,but for me his price aint big enough at the moment. Agree re Our Duke though,big player if error free imo. |
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Did Don Cossack not fall in the King George and won the Gold Cup? Or did he have a prep race prior?
I do agree that KV would be better served running in the Stayers - he's the only horse to beat Thistlecrack over hurdles, I believe. |
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Don Cossack won the Kinloch Brae in between the King George and Gold Cup
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