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Bloob - entries for this race & the Arkle. Will surely go JLT route & on his last running looks appealing to me... 33s on exchange & 20s on street currently. Longer in betting for the Arkle.
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Modus back on the track tomorrow at Kempton. Looked very good over fences first two runs and then fell last time out in heavy going at Exeter. A good winning return could see him shorten significantly for the JLT. Hope he pulls it off. AP pocket talking !!!
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like the look of Gary Moores Benatar, Pulled the whole way round at Ascot as if they weren't going quick enough for it and he rates it very highly. looks a good play to me at about 10's as most of whats above it in the market have other more likely targets.
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Just taken advantage of Sky's offer of money back as a free bet
£20 on Modus 9/1, Liked his jumping at Kempton and think hes value. |
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I like Modus too. Have done since first couple of runs over fences. Set back at Exeter when he fell but he will be a big winner for me should he get home. Been betting on him for a few months and got a range from 12's to 20's. Really hope Willoughby Court makes it to the Festival. I have him in a few big price multiples/acca's. All getting very real all of a sudden and thus exciting.
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Willoughby Court confirmed to be missing the Festival.
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Must be tempting for connections of Monalee to switch to this race now...
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Can see your point CCM, having beaten Invitation Only last time, but Monalee looks every inch a 3 miler to me, so I'd still go RSA, despite it looking like a tougher race.
I might have a bit of the 9/2 NRNB though, just in case - he has a huge chance in which ever race he goes for. |
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I think there has to be a chance connections will move Monalee to the JLT. Davy Russell, who has ridden both, has made it very clear he thinks Presenting Percy is a better horse and Monalee has beaten just about everything else including Invitation Only over 2m5f. He is 2/2 over 2m4f and 2m5f. If he was mine he would be switched the the JLT. And for once this is not my pocket talking. Just common bl00dy sense !
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noel fehily can ride him in the rsa so no drama there tbh...the rsa is far less competitive to me and i can't remember a gold cup horse running in the jlt and that is where monalee future lies...he should run in the rsa with fehily on and he'll take the beating in that race imo
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Sir Des Champs springs to mind Harry, he was second in 2 GCs after winning a JLT.
I think Monalee will run in the JLT and I think its the weakest of the 2 races. I'd say there's every chance Fehily will ride him anyway |
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so would you call the jlt a trail for the gold cup?
i would not |
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The Arkle is surely the best Gold Cup trial...Sizing John, Long Run, Best Mate, War Of Attrition, Kicking King
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totally agree or the rsa
anyway i'm not a fan of the jlt and have put a lot of research in and really want to bet the horse for the rsa so will be sickened if they change route tbh as he is my nap if running in the rsa |
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He'll have a big chance whichever road he goes.He's beaten Invitation Only last time and he's now fav for the JLT, which is why I think they will be tempted. Gigginstown will have multiple runners in both races so I'd be reasonably sure Fehily will ride regardless. I could be way off though and the RSA may well be the target.
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he would obviously have a clear chance in both yes
however i think there is only one race for him and think it'll be an error to change and you have to remember they must have there money on...anyway here's hoping they run him against the percy horse and the percy horse takes the money |
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Got outstayed over 3m at the Festival last year Harry. Must be on their mind.
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can't catch me... lets not talk nonsense in regards the horse's staying ability please, he was just beaten by a better horse on the day but he certainly stays hence why he ran at christmas over 3 miles and has won 2 hurdle races over staying trips...
everyone says the elliott horse didn't get home that day but elliott openly says the horse didn't travel well and had came up light in the lead up to the race...so is he a short runner i don't think so, time will tell anyway we have a difference of opinion in regards the race he should run in but i'll be peaved if they go the other route and trying to find a proper bet at this meeting is proving not easy to find and is fecking me off tbh ha ha |
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Have to agree that the JLT will suit his style of running,loves to bomb out and is electric over fences. Think doing that in the RSA he's a sitting duck but good luck with the bets!!!
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harry - I 100% agree the RSA is a better GC trial. I 100% agree Noel Fehily being onboard is not a negative. My point was that Davy picking PP over Monalee definitely is a negative. I 100% agree Monalee gets 3m. However, I think the JLT is an easier race for him to win and the owner is a small owner (2 horses I think) and I am sure he would love to win a Championship race at The Festival. And for the record I think Presenting Percy could be a bit special. Time will tell. A Monalee JLT and Presenting Percy RSA double appeals !!!
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Apologies for talking nonsense for having a different opinion to you Harry.
I think PP will outstay him in the RSA. Let's see what happens in a couple of weeks. |
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He's obviously got a decent shout in both but I'd go for the JLT if he were mine as there are more ticks in the box imo - sorry Harry.
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apologies if i sounded funny catch me it wasn't meant to but in regards staying, i don't agree
anyway the consensus appears to be he should run in the jlt on here in fact it's everyone against me lol i disagree with russells opinion and know which camp i'm in...it could be an expensive experience if they both face off for me...lets hope the race takes place between the 2 horses and fingers crossed people take russells opinion on who is best so we can get a good price on the good horse |
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I could be wrong but i thought Davy has an agreement to ride all of PJ Reynolds' (PP owner) horse's? Definitely heard something like that before. Regardless i think he'd have some loyalty to an owner/trainer who have given him 2 recent Cheltenham winners. Wouldn't read too much into the riding arrangements myself.
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I'd agree Monalee has a better chance here - he's beaten Invitation Only already - than the RSA. I think Presenting Percy is a special dish there (I hope).
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Not everyone Harry....looks an RSA horse to me.
But of course he could be capable of a big run in the JLT as well, hes very good imo. |
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I think the JLT will develop into a major Gold Cup trail in time. It's suffering from being new and so not quite as 'big' a pot as The Arkle or RSA, but that will change.
We will never know, but had they not changed their mind on Vautour (and that horses subsequent death), it could easily have a Gold Cup winner on it's roll and as has been pointed out, Sir Des wasn't far away. Given the attritional nature of the RSA, which used to have a reputation for destroying horse - unfairly in my view, I expect more and more top prospects will take in the easier option. As regards Monalee, I see him as RSA type, I know he's won over the shorter distance, but they'll be going faster in a JLT and I think his stamina is his strength. I don't see the race as a penalty kick for PP at all, sure he's good and has a good chance, but it's not like he's head and shoulders above the others. I wouldn't be afraid to take him on with Monalee at all. |
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Agreed with everything there Desmond, spot on.
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Same here Des, I think Presenting Percy is good, but far from unbeatable.
To me Monalee is a 3 miler, but I do think his connections have a dilemma. Play to the horses strengths and put him in the race that will suit him best (RSA?) Or put him in the one where it all might be a bit quick for him, but holds the current fav on form and looks a weaker race (JLT?) I think there are 3 good ones at the top of the RSA betting (Percy, Monalee and Black Corton), but I'm struggling to find any in the JLT. Invitation Only might prove me wrong, but could never bring myself to back him after the build up he had as a novice hurdler but ultimately failed (me having done a few quid) - blinkered view I know. I like the JLT as a race and I like 2.5m as a distance over hurdles and fences, especially for novices. They don't get run off their feet, but it doesn't really bottom any of them. |
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There is practically no difference in the pace that the RSA and JLT are run at. If Monalee makes the running, which he probably will, then he's going to go at his same cruising speed regardless of which race he runs in.
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I'll have to take your word on that FTV, not something I've looked at but assumed they go quicker over a shorter distance, but take your word for it
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Henry de Bromhead has confirmed the RSA Insurance Novices' Chase as the preferred Cheltenham Festival target for Monalee.
Speaking on Racing UK's Luck on Sunday programme, the trainer said: "We'd be leaning towards the RSA on what you would call normal Festival ground. That would be our preference, but if it came up soft or heavy, maybe we'd start looking at the JLT a little bit more. We'll see what way the ground is nearer the time, but at the moment our preference would be the RSA." |
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Looking good Harry.
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i won't be betting anything now budd until i know the ground
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Terrefort is interesting. NH previously stated he probably would miss Cheltenham but now I think the owner keen to run. The softer the better for him.
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Finian's Oscar (FO), like Unowhatimeanharry in the Stayers, seems to be the forgotten horse here. I believe he has the 2nd highest rating over hurdles and fences after Modus yet 6th best in the betting; Benatar only just beat him when receiving 5lbs despite FO making a couple of mistakes early. And barring a major mistake he could be the hidden value horse.
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Tizzard is bullish about the prospects of FO after his wind-op. He worked well in cheekpieces and will wear them in the JLT.
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Has he learnt to jump well yet?
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Benator looks a tough sort @ 8/1 NRNB. Could be a very small field........
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Beautifully with cheekpieces, according to Tizzard.
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