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Mengli Khan - Supreme Novices Hurdle
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Clearly Sharjah is the mix somewhere, but Getabird was impressive today. If it runs in the Supreme it'll go off fav.
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Oh yes, Getabird was impressive beating a Grade 1 winner Mengle Khan so easily. The 6lbs he received from the latter was academic - he'd have won on level weight and with ease too, I think; 7/2 best with 'nrnb'.
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Mmmmmmmmmm..... should be back out to 25/1,33/1 on the exchanges soon....... LOL...... WEAK races it won, but opinions are opinions
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Definitely very impressed by Getabird - can easily see it being under 2/1 come the off of the Supreme. Reminded me a bit of Douvan.
Sods Law that I had lumped on it for the Bumper last year.  |
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Easy. Although Getabird did beat a G1 winning horse 9 lengths with ease, ignore the other runners or strength/weakness of the race.
I am talking about the win on the eye (I'm guessing Uncle is saying the same). I watched it, hoping to be impressed and to my eye was. I agree it did appear quite Douvanesque. Would have been a very interesting runner last year had it run in the Bumper. |
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sAKHEE, U do know I`m talking about M.Khan
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Mengli's defeat today, could open the door for Gordy/Giggy to consider SAMCRO for the Supreme.
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dont think either will want a getabird v samcro supreme or ballymore
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Easy. Ah, thought you meant Getabird! My bad!
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took some 4/1 getabird earlier at laddies 3/1 now, very impressed yesterday, can't have claim or cap
samcro doesn't look a supreme horse to me |
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It’s a shame Mengli wasn’t a bit closer to stop them running Samcro in the Supreme, has to be every chance now. Getabird was very impressive on the eye, can see Ruby bounding out to make all and see if anyone can get past him; only concerns would be the ground and he is known to be very fragile
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LOL Blue but unlikely
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any chance Getabird goes for Ballymore? Sharjah looks like a 2 miler, but Getabird will get 2m 4f, could they run both in Supreme? I wouldn't be surprised if they split them up or one of them swerves Cheltenham.
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You've got Next Destination in the mix as well, albeit different ownership.
Could Sharjah be aimed at the County instead maybe? Mullins has a good record in the race. Difficult to know how it would be handicapped, would definitely have finished first or second and looked like the most likely winner when falling LTO. Instead has an F in his form. I'm not an expert in how it works and so don't know how much the handicapper will take it into account? If not, essentially he'd be an unpenalised G1 winner. If yes, top weight. |
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Starting to look a sof MK was an early season type and hard to see him winning a Supreme now. Although the winner was sensational and is deservedly short proved fav for the race now. If he is the Supreme winner, getting beaten given him 6lb isn't so bad.
On him ew and could still seeing him nicking a place fingers crossed. I think it's certain Sharjah and Getabird will be split up and Sharjah looks the key to the puzzle. If he wins the Deloitte well, it could be these two and Next Destination are the three Ruby rides and ND could yet go for the AB. |
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people happy to take 4.1 on here, while 7/2 mainly available and 4/1 in a few places
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But for the mistake at the last MK would have been an honourable enough 2nd so certainly no need to rip up your tickets.
Being a flat bred he might like the 'bouncy' surface they often get when on the opening day. |
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Unless we get extremes of going I can only see the Supreme for Getabird and the Neptune for Next Destination.
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But then what will Ruby have for the AB? I can see him and Ricci wanting Sharjah in the Supreme, Getabird in the Ballymore which leaves Next Destination (albeit different owner) for the AB
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Thats how I see it too bluebird, albeit I think the RR runners will be the other way around.
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Sharjah, is not good enough for Supreme and Ruby knows that..... another weak finisher....
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To be honest i did not think their was any doubt Getabird would be in the Supreme.
Does anyone really think there is? |
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Depends what Sharjah does in the Deloitte I suppose budd... but you'd have to think it was highly unlikely he went anywhere else.
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Budd,I would ask how anybody could be certain as to where Getabird will run?
Who would have expected Champagne Fever to line up in the Supreme? Would it really have mattered one bit which of the 2 novice races Vautour and Faugheen ran in? Couldn't Min and Yorkhill just as easily have switched targets, seeing as Mullins is still talking in terms of Yorkhill being a potential Champion Hurdle winner? Mullins will probably have 3 or 4 runners in both the Supreme and Ballymore. He will keep Next D and Getabird apart, and he will split up horses under the same ownership.After that it's anybody's guess but if anyone thinks running plans are already set in stone then they don't understand Willy Mullins very well. |
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No doubt after winning the Moscow Flyer in that fashion and probably Samcro targeting the Neptune.
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V.V.M & Limini ... Annie Power & Sempre Medici ran in the same races at Cheltenham
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Fair points FTV, i will replace would with should.
Big difference though this year,as the hot pot that i reckon will be in the Neptune is not trained by Mullins. After the other day Getabird looks his best novice for the supreme to me,and all things considered i will be amazed if he aint in that race. |
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The point is, these horses are just as effective at several distances so we don't know where they will or should turn up. If there was a month between the Supreme and Neptune then all the best horses would run in both,and probably win both, but being just one day between them means they can only run in one or the other.
Faugheen won the Neptune on the back of a 3 mile heavy ground Grade 3 win, and after that was dropped down in trip. Yorkhill won the Neptune(Mullins didn't train the hot pot) on the back of a 2 mile Grade 1 win.He is also going back to 2 miles We know Getabird is effective over 2 miles but we also know he has the stamina for much further as he started off by winning a 3 mile point to point. So nobody should be surprised who runs where because they don't have just one specific trip. |
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Yeh I know all that.
I am just confident he will be in the Supreme. And confident Samcro will be in the Neptune with Next Destination taking him on. And imo after watching those mentioned horses that is where I think they should run. Of course I don't know for sure, and I was amazed the other year when CFever ran in the supreme, but have to say rather glad cos I had 25 on here in case(sorry for the aftertime). All this **** footing around, sitting on the fence blah blah.......sometimes you just have to live or die by your gut feelings. |
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Having said that,i aint even had a bet in either Supreme or Neptune,but its those opinions I will have in mind when I do.
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Surely as it stands all running plans for Mullins novices revolve around how Sharjah performs in the Deloitte.
If he wins well I cant see any other plan but Sharjah Supreme,Getabird Ballymore and Next Destination Potato race. Also considering this outfit love wasting entry fees its interesting Sharjah is only entered for the Deloitte yet others have multiple entries so do they think he is a pure 2 miler?? |
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Sharjah Defo a 2miler. You're right all depends on the Deloitte, and he will be clear fav for that.
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Who'd have a better chance of winning the Supreme, Getabird or Sharjah? Personally, most probably Getabird; Getabird beat Mengli Khan comprehensively but whether Sharjah would have beaten Mengli Khan had he stood up and Mengli Khan not ran out 2 out, one could not be certain.
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Sharjah deffo a 2 miler fox? Not so sure myself.
His sole flat in came over a trip just short of 1m5f and he needed every yard of it to get up. Don't think he's have any problem stepping up myself. Very tough to call which RR runner will go where imo. Sharjah will have to be seriously impressive in the Deloitte to be considered for he Supreme ahead of Getabird though. Especially as the Moscow Flyer has been such a key trial for the Supreme. How impressive Sharjah is, might well decide whether Ruby rides him in the Ballymore and ND in the AB, or whether both Sharjah and ND take on Samcro in the Ballymore Id say. |
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Agreed CCM. Can't wait for Dublin Festival. Cant be a better 2 days weekend racing in NH season.
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Sharjah........... who is this horse...... well like Khan a place LAY at Cheltenham.... opinions great to have.... but solid accurate opinions only allowed.... none of this weak so-called Graded contests winners.
But Samcro is different... the above Cheltenham not for them for sure weak horses... |
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Really impressed with Sharjah, I think he looks like he's got bags of speed but would be slightly concerned about his hurdling, he backs off of them a little and his head carriage isn't the best IMO, he gives the impression that he's still green through his races. Getabird looks a bit more professional to me but perhaps Sharjah has the more natural talent. I'd be trying to see if Sharjah could stretch out to the Ballymore trip as the quicker Supreme might just be a bit too much for him just now, if I had the choice of taking one of them home though it would be Sharjah
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Not for me.
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I think Sharjah's jumping would be improved by the speed at which the Supreme tends to be ran, have the feeling said speed would also wear out the rivals late in the Supreme whereas Sharjah will still be cruising and show a turn of foot up the hill. Think I'll be backing the horse for the Supreme!
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I think it is fairly obvious Sharjah would have beaten Reel Steel had both not fallen at the last hurdle nevertheless, would he have beaten Mengli Khan - comprehensively beaten by Getabird giving 6lbs - had Mengli Khan not crashed out 2 hurdles out when leading? If so, as comprehensively as Getabird? I doubt that though.
I think Getabird is the horse to beat in the Supreme and he'd not be a walkover in the Ballymore either even if Samcro runs. But I think Mullins will choose the Supreme for him, and Walsh will ride similarly Footpad in the Arkle, I believe. |