Cheltenham Festival
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13 Nov 17
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Making my first move in the antepost market this season and have backed this beast at 33/1 and 25/1 for the Supreme. I was really taken with him yesterday.
Lovely, big scopey type, who clearly has the natural speed of a flat bred, but looks like he has plenty of stamina as well. Although he fiddled a couple yesterday, I thought he was clever at them, and it was largely because they were going too slow. The faster they went, the better he hurdled. Looks tailor made for the break neck speed of the Supreme to my eyes.
The debut form of his first hurdles run behind Ex Patriot looked pretty decent after the latter's run in the Triumph, especially considering Mengli Khan was giving him 10lb that day. Looks to have really grown and matured since then, and will be interesting to see how Stratum does for the form going forward.
Have a slight niggle he might be at his best on genuine soft ground, but its normally good to soft on day one so hoping that wont affect him too much.
Obviously its a huge worry that ex flat horses have such a terrible record in this race, but he looks all over a NH type to my eyes. Quite excited by this fella! Next stop the Deloitte.
Lovely, big scopey type, who clearly has the natural speed of a flat bred, but looks like he has plenty of stamina as well. Although he fiddled a couple yesterday, I thought he was clever at them, and it was largely because they were going too slow. The faster they went, the better he hurdled. Looks tailor made for the break neck speed of the Supreme to my eyes.
The debut form of his first hurdles run behind Ex Patriot looked pretty decent after the latter's run in the Triumph, especially considering Mengli Khan was giving him 10lb that day. Looks to have really grown and matured since then, and will be interesting to see how Stratum does for the form going forward.
Have a slight niggle he might be at his best on genuine soft ground, but its normally good to soft on day one so hoping that wont affect him too much.
Obviously its a huge worry that ex flat horses have such a terrible record in this race, but he looks all over a NH type to my eyes. Quite excited by this fella! Next stop the Deloitte.
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Would he go if Samcro does? It’s a nice problem to have for Elliot, his strength in depth with the Gigginstown Novice hurdlers this year is ridiculous
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Having backed SAMCRO for the Supreme at 20s, with the risk he goes Ballymore, Ivebtaken 25s MENGLI KHAN for the Supreme and the same connections. That way,I hope to have big odds on a shorty (whichever one runs) come Festival week.
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Both still big odds for Supreme for those looking at the same angle in the race.
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Yes I did consider Samcro bluebird, but I think Gigg are more likely to run each horse in the race they think is the best option, rather than split them up to give themselves more potential winners, like Rich Ricci and others might.
They have so many horses, chances are they will have a couple in each race anyway. But if this was what they decided to do, I personally think Samcro could step up to the Neptune no problem, and GE has said a couple of times it wouldn't inconvenience him. He has also said he is a Chaser and they will mind him, so I suppose there is always a slim chance he doesnt go. Whereas he was quite definitive on Sunday when he said Mengli Khan is a 2 miler. |
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Paddy into 14/1 already.
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That must have been me CCM
 Back into the savage world of antepost punting, I have some scars but the odd daffodil can sprout from a seed. Let battle commence. |
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Supreme favourite Annamix out for the season
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12/1 fav now.
Huge day for backers on Sunday in the Deloitte. Small but very select field and I expect the winner will be a pretty short priced fav for the Supreme afterwards. Mengli Khan currently 9/4 fav for the race. Willie only runs one in Makitorix, who clearly could be anything. |
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Sorry, meant the Royal Bond of course.
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Good to hear Elliot say he is a 2 miler.
Just off to watch today's effort Joke Oral still showing 12s, that will be a palp best price 8/1 slybet so 7s really.... |
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Mengli Khan looked pretty good yesterday again and looks a worthy Fav for the Supreme. However, what did everyone think about the 2nd Early Doors. The mistake 2 out was really telling IMO and he may have gone close/maybe not but for the mistake. The first 2 were miles clear and I'm sitting pretty on MK but I've had to take some 33/1 on Early Doors as that was only his 3rd hurdle and 5th race in total. Looks sure to improve further.
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Very pleased with that performance and the front two were absolutely miles clear, which is always a good sign. Top priced 7/1 for the race now. It does look like being a bit of a weak year to me and still think he's excellent price. Especially compared to the daft price of Samcro.
I wasnt overly impressed until after the last, but once again he just powered away. I really think the Supreme should be perfect for him, and was pleased to hear GE say he thinks he will be better on better ground, as thats my big worry. Totally agree shockster. I was really impressed with Early Doors. Have had a small saver on too. First run against a race fit rival and his form has a pretty solid look about it. You'd expect him to be a lot closer next time, closer than the odds suggest anyway. One of my other big fancies is Hollowgraphic for the Bumper. There was nothing between him and Early Doors in the Punch bumper last season and Patrick has given him a big shout and said he was a big baby then and they are keeping him for Bumpers again this year. Think their is still some 25/1 about. The form of that race is working out nicely. |
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Sorry forget that... forgot Early Doors had already had two runs.
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Yep I thought is was a pleasing performance and happy enough with my 25s & 16s APs. There will be tougher to come but so far so good☺
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I will be very surprised if good enough
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Looking at the market it seems a very weak division this year and I'm surprised he is still available at 8/1.
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I agree Uncle. Several at the top of the betting won’t even be in the race. I’ve backed Reel Steel at 40/1 and think he may well be the biggest danger. Had a saver on Early Doors after the Royal Bond. Nothing else in the race interests me really.
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I will be very surprised if good enough
surprised you feel this way i thought they might consider an entry in the champion hurdle, he is looking a very nice prospect to me and will devour better ground when he gets on it, not that i have engaged in a bet for the supreme but he looks a fair price to me |
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I just don`t see it Harry, yes he has won well so far but Cheltenham will be different and I feel the climb to the line will be too much after running the previous 1m6f at a very strong gallop, the quirk he has could be the battle to the line. And regards to be better on good ground I don`t see that either he should be o.k on both but I don`t believe he will be a better horse because of better ground.
Opinions aren`t they just the best. |
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Is he a soft ground horse then?
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I mean just because his form is on soft,does not mean he will go better when he has decent ground.Most horses go better on decent ground.
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Nice write up form Lydia Hislop, in her excellent Road To Cheltenham series
Novice hurdlers In a similar vein to Presenting Percy, I think Mengli Khan’s Grade One Royal Bond success was initially taken for granted somewhat. Unlike the odds for that chaser, his have not further constricted in recent days. This was a deep novices’ event run at a good pace and the winner accounted for all rivals by upwards of five-and-a-half lengths in the fastest time of the day. His performance also withstood sectional deconstruction. In short, this was form smart enough to hit the frame in most Supremes. Mengli Khan isn’t your archetypal Gigginstown recruit, having been a 96-rated handicapper who stayed at least 11 furlongs on the Flat for Hugo Palmer in his three-year-old days last season. Yet despite this background, he has grown to have the scope even for chasing in future. Perhaps because stable companion Samcro has sucked out all available heat and noise from the novice-hurdling scene, Mengli Khan is still on offer at 15/2 with Betfair or 7/1 more widely for the Sky Bet Supreme. Let’s take that. I doubt many – if any – will be able to match the level of form he already boasts come March. He is clearly very effective on soft ground but sounder stuff wouldn’t phase him either. Although the Royal Bond hasn’t had an impact on the Festival in the past two years, Nichols Canyon won the race in 2014 and prior to that the names of Jezki, Dunguib, Hurricane Fly, Newmill, Hardy Eustace, Like-A-Butterfly, Moscow Flyer and Istabraq have all adorned its roll of honour. In short, it tends to be a good source of class acts. This year’s renewal looked strong and runner-up Early Doors is also a talented animal. He would have been much closer bar for landing in a heap at the penultimate flight but he gave stolid chase to the winner and pulled 15 lengths clear of his nearest pursuer. He’s progressive and shouldn’t be overlooked just because the winner brushed him aside here. |
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Agreed on that, what price would he be if he was a Mullins/Ricci Horse??
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I`m hoping he will win again and then go a silly price so the pink button can be pressed in the Win and Place market
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have had a few quid on early doors at big prices hoping he goes for the supreme ,beaten by mengli khan in the royal bond but untill the mistake at the 2nd last last it was far from clear who would have won early doors was keeping on well untill he landed in a heap but he was battling back after losing momentum and was then short of room when re- challenging the winner going to the last, at big prices he looks worth a punt ,winner is obviously useful but early doors has only had 4 races and has room for progress. 30s +is too big imo.
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Not impressed by todays novice hurdle at Ascot yet the winner with the ridiculous name (Claim something or other) is now 2nd fav.
Got to be some better ones yet to run surely. |
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Whoever wins the big clash today between Mengli Khan and Real Steel goes clear favourite for the Supreme surely
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A disaster for all involved with respect to Supreme option/winners. Weirdly, probably best to come out of it was Mengli Khan who looked to be travelling very well before jumping out the side. Dont think they will be getting to the front quite so quickly with him again. To me he still looks the best option for the Supreme.......................I have a 16/1 ticket so am slightly biased !
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Have taken a punt on him after today's mishap driven solely by the price. The unfortunate mishap has not diminished his proven ability or potential.
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Hard to be sure but I had the feeling that Mengli Khan was in trouble before his mishap.
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What a mad race! Obviously hugely disappointing. I wasn't happy with him as soon as he took it up TBH. Didn't seem happy to be there... was looking around a lot and didn't Hurdle as fluently as before.
Clearly a blip, but hoping the way the Supreme will be run will suit him much better. |
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the one to take out of the race is whiskey sour
probably the best horse at galway in july but two races in a week took it out of him entered but missed the cesarewitch a real stayers race finished like a train at galway but not able to catch them yesterday 200 days off the track albert bartlett beckons and will carry mybiggest festival bet with luck like that ! |
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I think Sharjah was the one to take out of the race myself. Would have beaten Whiskey Sour comfortably had he jumped the last imo.
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Yep,thought he travelled best of all and agree would have won comfortably imo.
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Sharjah definitely travelled best but I wasn't convinved he would have won if the front two had both stood up.
Not sure the Cheltenham Hill will be up his alley - but a back to lay might be one route to go, though whatever Ruby chooses (if he is fit) will be the one to go for. Guess we will have to wait for the Delloite before knowing the real pecking order. |
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I backed Debuchet before his debut and will admit rose-tinted optimism but do think he shouldn't be given up on. He's the classiest bumper horse of the lot and had missed work in the build up to Boxing Day, he possibly did too much in front and made a mistake at a crucial time 3 out. I think/hope he'll improve a lot for that and still be a key player in the Supreme, the 33/1 post race seems an overreaction to me.
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Mengli Khan entered in a G2 at Punchestown on Saturday. Main opposition appears to be Getabird, Carter Mckay & High School Days.
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Interesting, have backed him post his mishap. And against Getabird my lost antepost bet last Cheltenham - this Cheltenham Death Duty, so far.
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Still looks wide open to me so I've added Debuchet @ 25/1 nrnb
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