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By:
maelduin
When: 05 Mar 18 12:06
Ruby has first choice of any Munir horses' with WPM. As a Footpad backer though i'm not sure if that's a positive in this case as the Arkle is going to be a hugely tactical affair. No better man then Ruby but he lack of race riding is worrying.
By:
firstimevisor
When: 05 Mar 18 12:12
maelduin, I'm pretty certain Jacob will ride Footpad now. When or where was it reported that Ruby has the call on the Mullins/Munir horses? I'd be very surprised if this is the case
By:
ACStafford
When: 05 Mar 18 12:21
Shame. Thought he was well overpriced. I'll have to have a good look at the race again.
By:
maelduin
When: 05 Mar 18 12:27
Check out this article re. Footpad - http://www.hri-ras.ie/News/?news=P-836d8a1f-b802-4753-a5f8-3261cf3a3f10

Even today when Sceau Royal was confirmed a NR they mentioned that Daryl would be "disappointed".
By:
Graeme83
When: 05 Mar 18 12:28
Looks like the layers for footpad got the wrong one.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 05 Mar 18 14:20
Apparently Jacob is only retained rider in the UK.
By:
firstimevisor
When: 05 Mar 18 14:45
For Footpad's last six runs in Ireland, Jacob has travelled over for the ride four times . On the 2 occasions when he didn't travel over he instead rode  Bristol De Mai in the King George and then Terrefort which won the grade 1 in Kempton, both for Munir. Looks like a retainer to me unless the arrangement has just recently changed.
By:
ACStafford
When: 05 Mar 18 14:51
Walsh has had first refusal on Footpad last two festivals.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 05 Mar 18 14:53
ftv. I assume that was because Ruby was injured though?
By:
ACStafford
When: 05 Mar 18 14:53
As far as I can tell, the deal is Jacob rides for Munir and Souede, unless someone better is available (Walsh for Mullins or Geraghty got the ride on Peace & Co when it won the Triumph).
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 05 Mar 18 14:57
Ruby has been injured for all three runs this season. Looking at the times he has ridden him before that, Ruby would have chosen Nichols Canyon over Footpad for three of the four runs last season as he was short priced fav each time. And in the CH Ruby was on Footpad and Jacob on Sceau Royal.

Pretty sure I do remember hearing this last season now... Jacob only retained for Britain, but they would use him in Ireland when Ruby wasnt on a Mullins horse.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 05 Mar 18 14:58
Sorry AC was typing my post then. Repeating you again Grin
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 05 Mar 18 14:59
Walsh on Footpad = 13F114
Jacob on Footpad = 24231
Townend on Footpad = 111

Just saying, like...
By:
firstimevisor
When: 05 Mar 18 15:02
The last 2 festivals Footpad and SR clashed. Jacob knows both horses well. Ruby knows Footpad well. So it wouldn't have made sense for Jacob to ride Footpad( when Ruby was available) and then have to look for another rider for Sceau Royal. Now that there's no clash I would have assumed the ride goes automatically to Jacob unless I'm missing something
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 05 Mar 18 15:03
ftv. I think the point is that the terms of the retainer are such that they allow Ruby to have first pick on Mullins horses.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 05 Mar 18 15:03
Rease. In fairness, he looks a different horse over fences wouldnt you say!
By:
firstimevisor
When: 05 Mar 18 15:05
Maybe so CCM but you'd think that would also apply to Townend in that case.
By:
maelduin
When: 05 Mar 18 15:11
FTV - please read the article i posted. The following excerpt from it says it all:

"I was pleased Daryl (Jacob, retained rider) got the chance to ride him as he rode him in most races last season as he was always the second or third string in the Grade Ones in the Mullins yard. When Ruby (Walsh) had a sore hand, it was nice Daryl could go and ride him. Whether he (as in Daryl) will get back on him is another thing as I imagine he will be first choice in that division now."

First choice to Ruby. This has nothing to do with jockeys knowing horses. Retained jockeys don't give up rides for that reason.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 05 Mar 18 15:11
Yeah exactly.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 05 Mar 18 15:27

Mar 5, 2018 -- 3:03PM, Can't Catch Me wrote:


Rease. In fairness, he looks a different horse over fences wouldnt you say!


Yes, CCM - last time I looked Townend was injured anywway.

I assume Ruby will be back in action at Navan on Thursday or Leopardstown Fri, weather permitting?

Lay off a concern but s'pose it could just as easily be an advantage (fresh) as disadvantage (race fitness, timing).

I try not to comment on jockeys 'cos I don't really know what I'm talking about but I'd expect Walsh to ride Footpad but the owners to be quite relaxed if he can't for any reason.

By:
firstimevisor
When: 05 Mar 18 15:28
I understand all that but am still slightly confused as to what exactly Jacob's retainer entails. He is, apparently, first choice jock for the Munir horses in Elliotts.He is first jock to all the UK trained horses. And he is ahead of Townend, David and Danny in WPM's but behind Ruby!!

Among all the owner/jockey retainers that is indeed rather unique and a little weird imo.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 05 Mar 18 15:31
Yeah I think its a bit of a worry RH. Ruby is the best, but he simply cant be riding at his absolute peak after this lay off and in some races he might need to be at his absolute best to win.
By:
impossible123
When: 05 Mar 18 18:49
Give Walsh not having ridden since his fall till now, and probably very race rusty and not 100% I'd like Jacob to be on Footpad incase it comes to a vigorous finish.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 07 Mar 18 14:47
other than an early poke on MWTT I hadn't played in this race. But it is Cheltneham so one has t have a runner.
I just don't like any of the market leaders, not at the prices anyway.
Footpad and Petit have always looked a bit soft in the past, Brain Power has a shocking record left handed and has hardly jumped brilliantly the other way, Saint Calvados has come out of left field but will he act round Cheltenham.

Given all that I have gone for Tombstone e/w at 40/1 nrnb.

He was my dark horse to follow a couple of season ago when he was 4th in the Supreme (and we all know how good the three in front were).
By:
Desmond Orchard
When: 07 Mar 18 15:32
That was a good run Unc, I was on that day too.
But he's rather lost his way a little since then and will do well to figure here.
I'm on Saint Calvados at decent prices, but couldn't get involved again at 4/1, although if it is soft or worse I think he's easily the likeliest winner.
If I was looking for an outsider I'd look at asthuria for WPM, she would have no problem if it came up a bog and gets the Mares allowance. It's an intriguing bit of placing, imv.
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 07 Mar 18 22:12
There's two in arkle I like that could surprise and tombstone is one but the other is north hill harvey. Back at Cheltenham where I think suits he don't have to lead poss one of the only front runners (pm the other one) that I feel don't have to lead as 2nd of them wins early in season he led till 2nd then tracked leaders @ 25/1 and 40s their definitely working men's prices
By:
unclepuncle
When: 08 Mar 18 10:20
Aren't they talking about the Grand Annual for NHH?
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 08 Mar 18 11:23
Harry confirmed at a preview night he goes Arkle.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 08 Mar 18 15:04
hardly sticking my neck out but the race North Hill Harvey won at the open meeting was rubbish - the closest thing I've ever seen to a walkover in a three runner race Happy
By:
Autocue
When: 08 Mar 18 15:34
A lot depends on tactics. Petit Mouchoir, Footpad and Saint Calvados can all make the running. Why would Footpad bother? He's happy being held up and there's no point cutting throats with Saint Calvados for Petit Mouchoir, the quickest of them over hurdles, to pick up the pieces. Given Petit Mouchoir's early blunder last time they surely won't want a jumping competition out front with Saint Calvados who I think is the quickest jumper of the three. For me, SC gets the lead and Coleman is a good man to be judging the pace out front. He needs soft ground though as he really pounds the turf. If he gets it he'll be hard to beat. His age is possibly against him but he looks professional to me.
By:
impossible123
When: 08 Mar 18 16:33
Footpads just glides over the fences and energy saved will be used at the business end when it matters most. Footpad for me through and through.
By:
ACStafford
When: 08 Mar 18 17:17
That's pretty much how I see the tactics panning out Autocue. If SC gets his ground, it'll be hard to pass him, but I'm not convinced it'll be that bad on the Tuesday, so at the moment I'm favouring Footpad, who's price looks a bit more reasonable than it did a week ago.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 10 Mar 18 12:46
More rain is good for Tombstone - had a few extra nibbles at 55-90 on the exchange.
By:
AlexAJR
When: 10 Mar 18 18:34
Elliott said a recent preview night that both of his entries in the Arkle do not run, however Tombstone still currently in.  Is he deffo going for this?
By:
impossible123
When: 10 Mar 18 18:50
It does seem to the only race entered in the Festival apart from his Ryanair Chase at Punchestown next month.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 10 Mar 18 19:09
It's his only entry now and he loves heavy so don't see why they wouldn't take a shot - a long break until Punchestown.

He ran poorly last year when punted for the Coral Cup but that was on normal Cheltenham ground (I also don't think he liked the big field), he ran well in the Supreme though so no reason to think the course doesn't suit.

Still a long shot but the price reflects that (too much imo hence my interest).
By:
AlexAJR
When: 10 Mar 18 19:40
Yeah i see the entries it was more the comments only made on the 5th March.  However, trainers change their mind and Gordon may have had a skinful :)
By:
unclepuncle
When: 10 Mar 18 19:44
Can get 40/1 nrnb so no risk - final decs out tomorrow.
By:
AlexAJR
When: 10 Mar 18 20:01
yep I have taken the 40's.  Looking forward to 10am tomorrow!
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 11 Mar 18 12:13
Only 5 left in Arkle lads no Tombstone uncle so hope you did him nrnb

Footpad
Brain Power
Saint Calvados
Petite Mouchoir
Robinshill

So anyone backed any of them above each way 3 places i think we're in clover what a book to start Cheltenham 2018 off
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