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Sizing John - Gold Cup
Sizing John - Gold Cup
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Geoff - bear on mind my post was well before he ran in the Irish Gold Cup.
He'd only run at 2m and 2m4f before that and while he was impressive when he beat Sub Lieutenant (so impressive I lumped on for the Ryanair  ) thinking he'd be just as good or better over 3m2f on a stiff track wasn't on my ind. Even connections said the Ryanair was most likely until he won the Irish Gold Cup. I was obviously very wrong - not the first time. |
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Very well done to the backers of Sizing John. He was a deserved winner, and he is still only 7yrs old. More of the same to come, I hope. And many congrats to Jessica Harrington too!
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Yep - delighted for Jessie.
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His winning time was faster than the standard time too, the only one today, and for the entire meeting (I believe).
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^ If true that's very impressive.
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Can anyone name me a midnight legend who isn't a stayer? That's all they do is stay. And I'm not after timing as I've said on here numerous times he was wasted at 2 miles, it's testament to the horses class and resolution that he got so close to Douvan so often
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seriously impressive. however I have a feeling he will be a one time gold cup winner.
next year seriously tough with likes of might bite and yorkhill likely to take part. |
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Don't know about that, faster pace, lob in behind them and pounce at the last, whats not to like about a faster pace,
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Don't see any obvious reason why he can't win it again (and maybe again after that).
Looks a simialr type to Best Mate - lots of 2m form as a novice (hurdles and chases) but travels, jumps and clearly stays. Unless it's really soft he looks the one to beat. I've taken some 8/1 already.  |
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yes, the only race in the entire meeting won in better than standard time, I still can't believe it! what a day!
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I just think you need to be an exceptional horse to win more than one gold cup and my gut feeling tells me that while he's very good, he's not super special.
also if you look at the horses that have won multiple gold cups recently, they've been british trained, best mate and kauto star. Might not be relevant but still.. theory might be that a lot of the irish horses run a lot on soft ground in ireland which is taxing on a horse. throw in a gold cup win as well and it starts to take it's toll. Best mate was able to win 3 gold cups because he was wrapped up in cotton wool. btw well done anyone who singled this horse out early! |
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Excellent performance, especially given the time, it shows it was a good Gold Cup.
Looking forward to next years already with Yorkhill, Might Bite, Our Duke and Coney Island to enter the mix. Djakadam will win next years Ryanair. |
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I think Yorkhill may end up in it but even without him I'd personally favour UDS over Djakadam.
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"Djakadam will win next year's Ryanair"
Over the death "bodies" of the O'learys, I presume! But there is UDS,...will he be gazumped by the self-obsessed Mullins/Ricci/Walsh combination next year? What chance of Sizing John for the King George at x'mas? Might Bite is most likely but not sure about Thistlecrack (in my opinion) - he might not be ready given his present predicament. |
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The form of Thistlecrack's King George has worked out terrible.
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Will Sizing John go for the King George? He is a tempting 7/1 with 'Billies' especially so if Thistlecrack is not a certainty to show up; Might Bite is 5/1 for the same race. I'm unsure about Yorkhill or Douvan.
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Assuming Min recovers he will surely be aimed at the Champion Chase so Douvan might go for the Ryanair next year - I know it's not considered as prestigious as the Champion Chase or Gold Cup but that didn't stop Mullins and Ricci running their best horse (Vautour) in it twice.
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I'll be very surprised if SJ goes to Kempton.
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Hats off to the the op and others on at big prices
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Listening to Jessie after the gold cup they will defo look after SJ I'd imagine no more than two runs next season before going back to defend his crown hopefully. And would imagine they'll keep him in Ireland until cheltenham too.
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I'd be amazed if Douvan would ever be considered for a Ryanair, injury aside he's still the monster we all know he is and the CC is his race, Min will step up IMO. |
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Douvan in the Ryanair next season? Very unlikely but if so, will be a massive downgrade and seen as Altior avoidance. I think Douvan will remain a Champion Chase contender next season but will also be entered for the King George, Gold Cup and Ryanair (similar to 2017); VVM in the Gold Cup now that Djakadam's Gold Cup journey is over but not Yorkhill, I believe.
Is Min permitted to run in next year's Arkle or JLT? Otherwise he may clash with one from Closutton over fences. |
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He looked beaten but just managed to get up to win the Punchestown Gold Cup beating Djakadam. It is not an exactly scintillating performance but the trip was 2f shorter than the Cheltehnam Gold Cup and he was doing his best work at the finish; Coneygree ran an excellent 1st race back from injury finishing 3rd.
There will be Thistlecrack (hopefully 100% recovery), Our Duke and Might Bite (young and progressive), and Sizing John (the holder) for the Cheltehnam Gold Cup again next season, all being well - what a prospect! |