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deakers
19 Jan 17 03:26
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Hopefully some might find this helpful.

Max field sizes and lowest rating that got you a run last year

Tue
Ultima - 24 - 131
Novice - 22 - 137 (has gone up every year since it's introduction, 131, 135, 136, 137)

Wed
Coral - 26 - 139
Fred Winter - 22 - 128

Thur
Pertemps - 24 - 135
Plate - 24 - 135
Kim Muir - 24 - 134

Fri
County - 26 - 138
Martin Pipe - 24 - 135
Grand Annual - 24 - 137

According to my records the handicap entries were published on 25th Feb, (thought I'd recorded the date that the weights were released but I can't find it, sorry) and the "Stoke" firm were the first to go NRNB on all races on Saturday 27th Feb, old RP Trophy day at Kempton (different sponsor now).
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Report Fabulous January 19, 2017 11:05 AM GMT
Thanks Deakers, certainly useful to me. The weights were out on Mar 2nd last year.
Report deakers January 20, 2017 2:04 AM GMT
Thanks Fab, much appreciated.
Report Jb23 January 20, 2017 9:42 AM GMT
Cheers Deakers!

*Frantically looks at ratings, too work out plot jobs*
Report rogerthebutler January 20, 2017 9:57 AM GMT

Jan 20, 2017 -- 3:42AM, Jb23 wrote:


Cheers Deakers!*Frantically looks at ratings, too work out plot jobs*


I'm sure there will be some but it's getting harder now. To get a run you have to show your hand to some extent. If, like me, you enjoy tilting at windmills going for a big payout and prepared to put in the work, the Fred Winter is always a hoot to sort out and I will die a happy man if I ever back the winner of the Coral Cup!

Report Mr Eboue January 20, 2017 11:44 AM GMT
I'd love to know the money I've frittered away on the handicaps over the years at The Festival. CryLaugh
Report Jb23 January 20, 2017 12:06 PM GMT
Just debating booking my flights to the Bahama's for the following Monday. Ive got it all worked out. Im adamant of it. Wink
Report Ibrahima Sonko January 21, 2017 9:46 AM GMT
Spirit River will always make the coral cup special to me, like you mr e i have wasted so much cash on handicaps at the festival. graded level weight races are so much easier.....
Report GI MAC January 21, 2017 12:28 PM GMT
very useful info, cheers
Report ReaseHeath February 8, 2017 6:27 PM GMT
belated thanks dealers - we should try and keep this near the top
Report rogerthebutler February 8, 2017 7:31 PM GMT
26 for the County and I bet there's plenty get balloted out

.....compared with 20 5 day entries for the Betfair hurdle on Saturday, where, if the ground stays testing, I bet less than 16 go to post for what is (I think?) still the richest 2 mile handicap hurdle (someone put me right on this? It's still a decent pot, whatever).

God knows I love the festival with a passion but it truly does cast too long a shadow over the season.

End of thread hijack post
Report barnesey February 23, 2017 5:07 PM GMT
Can someone tell me where I can find all the handicap entries out today??? Nothing on at the races website!
Thanks in advance
Report rl91 February 23, 2017 5:18 PM GMT
Racing not post has them all up now

Arctic Fire entered in the county hurdle is the stand out to watch. Hadn't seen anything about him and assume he goes there without a prep so could be too much too soon...or could be outstanding value
Report jfromthewells February 23, 2017 5:37 PM GMT
How do we find the Official Handicap marks for all runners
Report Jb23 February 23, 2017 6:39 PM GMT
(Tues) Ultra Business Handicap - 141
(Tues) CHAPS Handicap - 136
(Weds) Coral Cup - 141
(Weds) Fred Winter Juvenile - 129
(Thurs) Pertemps Network Final - 138
(Thurs) Brown Advisory Plate - 137
(Thurs) Kim Muir - 134
(Fri) County Hurdle - 137
(Fri) Martin Pipe (0-145) - 136
(Fri) Grand Annual - 140

Every year I add to a spreadsheet with a number of personal criteria I like in my handicappers (Course form, won this season, won or placed in a field of 10+, 13+, 15+ etc). It contains the top 3 placings of each of the handicaps of the festival since 2006 and just look for specific tendencies of the horses which run well trying to look for trainers which target certain races historically.

Above are the average handicap marks for the top 3 for each of the handicaps since 2006. Probably completely redundant information, but its worked nicely for me a couple of times, purely based on an average mark which typically runs well.
Report dan hardcore February 23, 2017 11:40 PM GMT
jfromthewells - the current hcp ratings for all the uk horses are here...

http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resource-centre/official-ratings/ratings-database/

Anything that happens between now and teatime sunday can affect the festival hcp weights.

The marks for the irish horse will be out on march 2nd.
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK February 24, 2017 7:40 AM GMT
Why have so many trainers entered there horses
Rated to low like 132 below
Pointless
Report jfromthewells February 24, 2017 9:04 AM GMT
Many Thanks Dan i will start sorting the handicaps on March the 2nd then
Report cyclops February 26, 2017 9:41 AM GMT
Is that when the handicap weights are published?
Report Can't Catch Me March 1, 2017 12:41 PM GMT
Weights have been released:

http://files.constantcontact.com/205...d47ac90c05.pdf
Report Can't Catch Me March 1, 2017 12:46 PM GMT
Diamond King looks an absolute stand out to me... amazed they haven't been hit harder as he looks to have been plotted up for this.
Report easygold March 1, 2017 12:51 PM GMT

Feb 8, 2017 -- 1:31PM, rogerthebutler wrote:


26 for the County and I bet there's plenty get balloted out.....compared with 20 5 day entries for the Betfair hurdle on Saturday, where, if the ground stays testing, I bet less than 16 go to post for what is (I think?) still the richest 2 mile handicap hurdle (someone put me right on this? It's still a decent pot, whatever).God knows I love the festival with a passion but it truly does cast too long a shadow over the season.End of thread hijack post


Hi Roger, by a long way the Galway Hurdle is the richest handicap hurdle in the World...

Report rogerthebutler March 1, 2017 2:18 PM GMT

Mar 1, 2017 -- 6:51AM, easygold wrote:


Feb  8, 2017 --  7:31PM, rogerthebutler wrote:26 for the County and I bet there's plenty get balloted out.....compared with 20 5 day entries for the Betfair hurdle on Saturday, where, if the ground stays testing, I bet less than 16 go to post for what is (I think?) still the richest 2 mile handicap hurdle (someone put me right on this? It's still a decent pot, whatever).God knows I love the festival with a passion but it truly does cast too long a shadow over the season.End of thread hijack postHi Roger, by a long way the Galway Hurdle is the richest handicap hurdle in the World...


Cheers easygold - I knew someone would know.

Report Can't Catch Me March 2, 2017 8:03 AM GMT
Martin Pipe - entry no 70 got a run last year. This year entry no 70 is rated 135 (same as got a run last year)

Kim Muir - entry no 75 got a run last year. This year entry no 75 is rated 130 (1lb lower than last year)

Pertemps - entry no27 got a run. This year entry no 27 is rated 138 (3lb higher than got a run last year)

Fred Winter - entry no30 got a run. This year entry no 30 is rated 125 (3lb lower than last year)

Novice handicap chase - entry no 27 got a run. This year entry no 27 is rated 137 (1lb higher than got a run last year)

Ultima - entry no97 got a run. This year entry no97 is rated 130 (1lb lower than got a run last year)
Report rogerthebutler March 2, 2017 8:58 AM GMT
Good work CCM!

Adds some value to the form study
Report duffy March 2, 2017 3:39 PM GMT
CCM

That's a great piece of info, I've been wanting to know that for the past couple of days, really helps to guide that does.
Report duffy March 2, 2017 3:41 PM GMT
The novice chase is a low one isn't itShocked
Report Can't Catch Me March 2, 2017 4:24 PM GMT
Glad I can be of use. Even a Blind Squirrel finds the odd nut Happy
Report duffy March 2, 2017 4:34 PM GMT
Deserves a thread on its own I think CCM, people may miss it hidden away halfway down here, crucial piece of info for all of us wondering, will he get in/won't he get in.Happy
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