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Vautour moving towards favourite for the Gold Cup.
Vautour moving towards favourite for the Gold Cup.
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Is it just me or does that make absolutely no sense at all?
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To DECAL.
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I reckon if the ground is good this vautour will be massively punted anyway. I wouldn't back anything else in the race now, as you are likely to see bigger odds on the day.
can even see it going off less than 2-1 although I accept that will take a huge amount of money. |
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Not a chance lewisham. He'd be plenty short enough at 4s. Huge stamina doubt whatever the ground. Good ground won't get him to stay
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they said the same about best mate first time!!
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Your right, they did, even though he hadn't shown he didn't stay! Nobody said it about Florida Pearl or One Man because they stayed 3m so well and One Man got 3m easier than Vautour!
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vautour spring horse going left handed.jumping better as a result. better ground.ruby riding with a bit more restraint. takes off at top of the hill.burns them all off.it wins
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He's a cert...to lead after 3 miles...and walk across the line
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if he has enough energy left he will win it. hes bred to stay.best trainer and jockey.trainer says hes "as certain as he can be" he will stay that will do me..fill up!!
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I don't think he's a cert to do anything and that has to be factored in to the price. How far would he have won the King George if it were left handed on good ground? Factor in that he has almost certainly been trained to peak for this race and I wouldn't be a layer.
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Most of the people who bang on about stamina probably never been for a run in their life.
If you can get three miles around a racecourse like cheltenham, then you can get three miles two. never ran around cheltenham but been around york. the spaces are absolutely massive, these are huge demanding racecourses. |
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Not true. Off the top of my head I can think of Wayward Lad, Florida Pearl and Strong Promise who would almost certainly have won a Gold Cup over 3 miles. The other obvious point being that Vautour hasn't yet proven he gets 3 miles at the course which makes it all the more intriguing.
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One Man won the King George twice... by 12 lengths and by 14 lengths. Both of those years he ran in the Gold Cup and was cantering over the field both years(good ground) at the second last. He was beaten 23 lengths and 22 lengths. The following year he won the Queen Mother CC. Vautour anyone?
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He could indeed be a One Man type. It's equally feasible he could be a Best Mate type who won three Gold Cups after first losing to a Gold Cup non stayer at Kempton on faster ground than Vautour encountered.
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He could be a One Man type, he could be a Best Mate type. And trying to figure it out makes this sport so appealing to us all. Most of the time we don't even get satisfactory resolutions but it still doesn't stop us.
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Can we really identify horses who could win over 3m at cheltenham but never 3m2 ?
I know we get the whole 2 and half miler thing and i dont even go along with that most of the time, always comes back to the same half dozen horses, no doubt led by one flippin man (maybe he just had a couple of off days and isnt the undisputed king of 2.954 mile chasing?) Vautour will run his race because there isnt another horse there who is going to serve it up to him. So as long as Ruby doesnt do anything stupid hes going to get to the bottom of the hill in his own time and find pretty much what hes found for the last 2 years. Doesnt matter how far this particular race is, its a shoot out between a bunch of classy '3milish' types. ...imo  |
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I love the "nobody seems to have spotted it" comment. Pretty sure everybody spotted it, and plenty have mentioned it, but Ruby likes to think he's superior to ordinary mortals.
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Thought exactly the same Sankara. What a stupid thing to say.
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Vautour reminds me a lot of Kauto Star in possessing the same brilliance (probably not quite as good). Kauto Star was a real 3 miler whose class won him 2 Cheltenham Gold Cups. Vautour can do the same if he possesses the same class. Personally, I think he isn't as classy and will empty up when running up the hill. The finish will be fought out between Don Cossack and Don Poli.
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